Holy crap - this has to stop!

[francoHFW]

Next time, don't let a fat guy strip tease on the convention floor.

Sure.. We can have a 100 Image consultants and focus groups handle that. More balloons, more vetting, more control... Pretty soon, it'll be just as phony as the "niormal" conventions. There was TONS of more debate, more choices, and more solutions offered at THAT convention -- than any other that year.

We COULD I suppose go negative on the Brand Name tribes and make BIG HUGE headlines. But we decided (unfortunately) not to DO that. NEXT TIME --- all you're gonna hear from us is about the blood in the streets, the chaos, the phony news, the derilection of DUTY -- that is gonna be the "track record" for BOTH your corrupt and debased dynasty parties that need to die... Won't NEED money or a podium at the debates to make that case...

You guys are making it WAAAAAY too easy...

Thanks to you and TN, I started looking into this Libertarian Party prior to their convention. I looked at articles and write ups on the candidates, and I read your posts and I STILL got more and more confused about what it would look like. Then I watched the televised portion of the convention and it was obvious that the Party has not yet found its professional footing. I've seen town meetings a lot more together than that was. You folks don't have to be slick and shiny and bullshit driven but you do need to have your act together. I'd welcome it; at least knowing what a Libertarian government would look like would be a help. Be ready to answer those questions next time, is my advice. And if an attention whore gets on stage, don't let him strip for five minutes before anyone gets their finger out of their butt and does something about it.

LOL. Yes, the Libertarian party has a long ways to go before they catch up the "professionalism" of the DNC and RNC. That said, I are one. I was a Republican for well over 30 years, but it's been changing for the worse since the Christian Coalition got their foot in the door. The Democrats are worse so what options do we really have?

Libertarians are just another duped GOP group voting against their own interests and the Dem party.

I can out--liberal you on a WHOLE LOT of things. Agree with 1/2 of what Bernie wants. The LParty is largely attracting 50/50 support from both your diseased and dying parties... We ARE what America wants. Largely Fiscally Conservative and accountable govt and Socially Liberal and inclusive performance. Only party that been consistently RIGHT on Foreign interventions, Education innovation, LGBTQ inclusion, STRONG Civil Liberties support and OPPOSING Corp/Govt collusion.. ALL the GOOD stuff -- none of the GROSS SHIT that both your parties are currently serving up over POWER BATTLES and CONTROL...

Get a load of this.................A play in the park depicting Trump getting assassinated..................Some have pulled sponsorship others now so much..............Like the NY Times and American Express....................

A freaking play that shows our current POTUS being killed in it.........................and the left thinks we are the ones with the problem.

The more I see of this.............the more I'm ready to tell them to

AmEx, Trump death play don't budge after Delta, BofA bolt


Shortly after Delta Airlines and Bank of America (BofA) pulled their sponsorship of the New York City Public Theater’s Shakespeare in the Park production of Julius Caesar that depicted President Donald Trump as the slain emperor, American Express (AmEx) refused to pull its funding and the theater company will not budge after the public’s backlash.

Much of the play’s tragedy stems from the characters’ neglect of private feelings and loyalties in favor of what they believe to be the public good. Similarly, characters confuse their private selves with their public selves, hardening and dehumanizing themselves or transforming themselves into ruthless political machines...
Cassius can be seen as a man who has gone to the extreme in cultivating his public persona. Caesar, describing his distrust of Cassius, tells Antony that the problem with Cassius is his lack of a private life—his seeming refusal to acknowledge his own sensibilities or to nurture his own spirit. Such a man, Caesar fears, will let nothing interfere with his ambition. Indeed, Cassius lacks all sense of personal honor and shows himself to be a ruthless schemer.
SparkNotes: Julius Caesar: Themes, Motifs & Symbols

Julius Caesar is an exploration of political machinations and what happens when they go too far. It's not as much about killing Caesar as taking a hard look at why the conspirators did it, the real motivations for it.
Take a look at some of the Sparks Notes above. Notice anything timely in there that sounds like what we are discussing here, now? At least in my opinion, the conspirators do NOT come out of this smelling like a rose.
Maybe it is a good year to be putting on Julius Caesar. Watch the play with a Roman toga'd Caesar if it makes you feel better, and then get back to us on how it's a leftie plot of violence against our POTUS.

Setting Shakespeare's plays in the modern world is a common directorial decision. He is still relevant; there is nothing new under the sun; we still behave pretty much the same as we always have.

And I'm sure you would have felt the same way if the right created the same act only using Obama instead.

Totally beside the point. I respected Obama for the most part, but I'm not a Dem.

No, the point you are trying to make is that this "art" is anything other than an attack on our President, and I disagree. If it were DumBama, the country would have been outraged. It would be the main story on MSM for a week. Violent protestors and activists would probably have physically attacked the actors on day two. It would have not been tolerated by the left.

It happened with Obama and no one gave a damn. This is the GOP BS/hate machine going nuts as usual and ginning up the dupes. Like Antifa as violent Dems, bs character assassination of Hillary, Obama, Soros etc etc and all the rest...

 

[eagle1462010]

The left has no moral high ground to stand on here.....

Perhaps one day the liberal protesters can get through one protest without smashing everything in sight...............

uh-huh. i feel SO much better under these circumstances.

BLM rifles sighted - Google Search

Was anybody shot............who was grabbing the land out there...............and why................another thread here on this subject.

 

[playtime]

The left has no moral high ground to stand on here.....

Perhaps one day the liberal protesters can get through one protest without smashing everything in sight...............

uh-huh. i feel SO much better under these circumstances.

BLM rifles sighted - Google Search

Was anybody shot............who was grabbing the land out there...............and why................another thread here on this subject.

& if somebody WAS shot? bundy was a welfare leech.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The left has no moral high ground to stand on here.....

Perhaps one day the liberal protesters can get through one protest without smashing everything in sight...............

uh-huh. i feel SO much better under these circumstances.

BLM rifles sighted - Google Search

Mass shootings at protests in large cities!

Liberals running around with guns shooting Republicans!

It's going to be fucking awesome, seriously.

you can't have it both ways. liberals are taking away your guns. blah blah blahhhhhhh. uh-huh.

& the dude was well knownon FB for his rants against hillary which makes him not a 'liberal' per say --- but a FUCKING NUTJOB. truuuuuuuump signed away thestop button so mentally ill assholes cannot have possession of a firearm... that whackadoodle was arrested for domestic abuse against his wife.& also for his daughter. & include her boyfriend too. the day that fucking nutjob went on his assassination hunt, he was still allowedby law to have a weapon & CONgress was supposta vote on a bill to allow silencers to be used by citizens. those people in that evil bastard's sites would not even have known where they were being shot from.

Did you just start following politics or what? DumBama knew his ban would be overturned. How many mentally disabled people on SS are there that caused a problem with firearms. Most don't even have any.

This is just like when DumBama wanted to have a gun ban on people who are on the No-fly list. How many people from the no-fly list ever caused a problem? None. It was all a political dog and pony show.

 

[eagle1462010]

The left has no moral high ground to stand on here.....

Perhaps one day the liberal protesters can get through one protest without smashing everything in sight...............

uh-huh. i feel SO much better under these circumstances.

BLM rifles sighted - Google Search

Was anybody shot............who was grabbing the land out there...............and why................another thread here on this subject.

& if somebody WAS shot? bundy was a welfare leech.

I said.......it needs a whole other thread on this topic.................teaser..........tell me about Uranium 1.............

 

[WaitingFor2020]

There was no choice that would make me happy in 2016. I have talked to so many people who felt the same as we did. If all the people who really didn't like either choice had stayed home, it would have sent a message these scum suckers might have heard. They're all about votes. But we were too scared of Trump winning.

Agreed about the 2016 choices, disagreed on the fear-mongering of Trump. Like Obama, becoming President doesn't make a person King. We have a Republican Senate, a Republican House and a Republican Supreme Court if he tries to do anything supremely stupid.

In my mind, he's already tried some supremely stupid stuff and the Republicans are too intent on getting their agenda through to stop giving him support, at least lip service.
We may have him for a full term; I'm not at all convinced he was colluding with the Russians to fix the campaign. I don't think what he has said to Comey or anyone else rises to the level of "obstruction of justice" and I believe this IS partly a partisan witch hunt, payback for Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. But not entirely. There is some valid concern, some question, and it might as well be addressed, clear the air. Maybe some money stuff was going on from before the campaign-- most of his folks are big money types, after all; Russia may have tried to take a little advantage of that.
I'm not fear mongering. I'm seeing what I predicted with his personality and his questionable morals coming true.

there is speculation that trump was groomed since 2013 when he went to russia for his miss universe pageant. it's plain to see that he is too easily manipulated. ook at his visit to saudi arabia & his own 'cabinet meeting'. wt F was that????

Oh, it's plain as day the man is a chump for flattery. But he's cagey, too, and things still come out the way Trump wants them to. It is dangerous to sell your adversary short.

oh, considering how deep this goes, i don't underestimate anybody or anything. the one thing going for the truth to come out is trump's amazing talent to NOT keep his mouth shut. he has no self control & will be his downfall.

He must drive his lawyers crazy. Even his lawyer has gotten himself a lawyer. How fucking rich is that?
Trump's personal lawyer hires attorney: report

 

[playtime]

The left has no moral high ground to stand on here.....

Perhaps one day the liberal protesters can get through one protest without smashing everything in sight...............

uh-huh. i feel SO much better under these circumstances.

BLM rifles sighted - Google Search

Mass shootings at protests in large cities!

Liberals running around with guns shooting Republicans!

It's going to be fucking awesome, seriously.

you can't have it both ways. liberals are taking away your guns. blah blah blahhhhhhh. uh-huh.

& the dude was well knownon FB for his rants against hillary which makes him not a 'liberal' per say --- but a FUCKING NUTJOB. truuuuuuuump signed away thestop button so mentally ill assholes cannot have possession of a firearm... that whackadoodle was arrested for domestic abuse against his wife.& also for his daughter. & include her boyfriend too. the day that fucking nutjob went on his assassination hunt, he was still allowedby law to have a weapon & CONgress was supposta vote on a bill to allow silencers to be used by citizens. those people in that evil bastard's sites would not even have known where they were being shot from.

Did you just start following politics or what? DumBama knew his ban would be overturned. How many mentally disabled people on SS are there that caused a problem with firearms. Most don't even have any.

This is just like when DumBama wanted to have a gun ban on people who are on the No-fly list. How many people from the no-fly list ever caused a problem? None. It was all a political dog and pony show.

no jr. i have been following politics for a couple decades. oh btw--- obaa isn't prez anymore & i still have every firearm & every bulet since b4 he left office.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'm sorry that your so entirely committed to the resistance that you're attempting to JUSTIFY a major repetitive, sponsored event that depicts the assassination of a sitting president. That's the type of academic arrogance that the NYTime Culture pages attempt to sell as EXCUSES for what amounts to nothing more than DEBASED political violence.

It's FINE if you want to go watch Julius Caesar get his due and go orgasmic over a FANTASY IN YOUR MIND about it being a LIVING political opponent. You DO NOT OVERTLY have to flaunt it and rational it as literary license.

Even Shakespeare had the judgement and common sense and decency to kill people on stage that were largely ALREADY ---- way dead.

To POGO -- Yes "you guys" --- the severed head, the repeated killing of the President in Central Park, the attempted MASS assassination of Congress people --- IS the predictable acceleration of this "street theatre" and farce. And here "you guys" are -- trying to justify all the lying, scheming, hissy fit driven political tantrums that are turning ugly --- with events from 30 years ago and mostly UNORGANIZED and UNSUPPORTABLE acts from history.

You need to see the trajectory and the acceleration and the monumental SIZE of this tantrum to understand the dangers. Especially with the MainStream Press INVENTING and SPINNING the crap that is needed to SUSTAIN the anger and violence and opposition.

And because "the other side" chooses NOT to engage or fight back doesn't mean you can push this farther BEFORE it takes the country into outright conflict..

Remember when it was Obama lying on the floor with all those knife wounds in him? Good times. Good times.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

Really? Never heard of it. Did it run in Central Park for weeks sponsored by a Major Media company and the financial backing of several Fortune 500 companies? Did the Leftist Press HAIL it as a cerebral adaptation of a theme?

Nonetheless, US Presidents, and the US government in general, has been ridiculed and subjected to the ire of American citizens since the beginning. Please don't act like it just started happening last January.

The "obama version" was a Minneapolis theater with NO national significance and the actor was just a "lanky black man" --- got ZERO national exposure.

The CURRENT perversion is in the HOME FUCKING TOWN of the President in the most well known park and city in the world and was PRODUCED by a Major Media corporation... It's that ACCELERATION that is going on that gonna get bodies in the streets. You need to be aware of the AMPLIFICATIONS of all this political tribal conflict.

And using one obscure occurrence to ABSOLVE a more egregious occurrence is what's gonna inevitably turn this into a hot war....

Change the channel and get some fresh air from the nonstop bs and hate. IT IS A PLAY. There was a similar one about Obama. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Ignorant RW boobs...The difference is the New BS GOP propaganda machine winding up the chumps.

You think this is just drama for your entertainment? What do you call what you do here day after day.. Are you "Lord of the Chumps" or something?

 

[eagle1462010]

Remember when it was Obama lying on the floor with all those knife wounds in him? Good times. Good times.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

Really? Never heard of it. Did it run in Central Park for weeks sponsored by a Major Media company and the financial backing of several Fortune 500 companies? Did the Leftist Press HAIL it as a cerebral adaptation of a theme?

Nonetheless, US Presidents, and the US government in general, has been ridiculed and subjected to the ire of American citizens since the beginning. Please don't act like it just started happening last January.

The "obama version" was a Minneapolis theater with NO national significance and the actor was just a "lanky black man" --- got ZERO national exposure.

The CURRENT perversion is in the HOME FUCKING TOWN of the President in the most well known park and city in the world and was PRODUCED by a Major Media corporation... It's that ACCELERATION that is going on that gonna get bodies in the streets. You need to be aware of the AMPLIFICATIONS of all this political tribal conflict.

And using one obscure occurrence to ABSOLVE a more egregious occurrence is what's gonna inevitably turn this into a hot war....

Change the channel and get some fresh air from the nonstop bs and hate. IT IS A PLAY. There was a similar one about Obama. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Ignorant RW boobs...The difference is the New BS GOP propaganda machine winding up the chumps.

You think this is just drama for your entertainment? What do you call what you do here day after day.. Are you "Lord of the Chumps" or something?

 

[Dr Grump]

[

In other western countries there is no right wing.
Their decision is irrelevant(and ignorant)in the long term.

The president DOES have that right.

Don't be silly. Of course there is. Le Pen is right wing as you get, as is One Nation in Australia.

No, their decision is not irrelevant. It's stopped The Orange Buffoon, no?
I know the president has the right. I just find it amusing in the 'land of the free' one person has so much power. Not my idea of freedom...

 

[Dr Grump]

Correct, we do have three branches of government. In this case, the judicial branch overtook the legislative branch.

The court is not supposed to rule based on what they like or dislike. The courts job is to rule if something is legal and constitutional or not.

Want to read the law yourself? Here is what it says:

Section 212(f), states: "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

So yes, by our law, he does have that right. Now unless you can show me where it states he needs judicial approval, then we can agree the courts ruling is judicial activism if not judicial legislation which is against our US Constitution.

And your judiciary has the right to overturn those decisions. Tell me, who says they are detrimental to the US? The judiciary disagrees (rightly) with his decision. That may be the law, but somebody has to interpret it. What is the definition of the 'detrimental'? So one day, The Orange Buffoon wakes up and decides that people with brown hair are detrimental to the US. They are no longer allowed into the country? I don't think so. Thus you have the judiciary to put a stop to the excesses of executive power.

 

[Dr Grump]

section 212(f) couldn't be more clear. It's up to the president. But then, when Trump won the election, it was clear that he was to be the president, not hillary. The sore losers couldn't accept that either. Looks like some of them are willing to bring down the country over this, too.

Just like the right wing whackos when Obama was president. Thus the title of this thread.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

no jr. i have been following politics for a couple decades. oh btw--- obaa isn't prez anymore & i still have every firearm & every bulet since b4 he left office.

And you can thank conservative justices and the US Constitution for that. Right now, the Cleveland Mayor is trying to institute gun regulations in his city, and a state gun group is fighting him all the way. The Mayor lost his battles in the lower courts, so now it's heading to the state Supreme Court. Prior to that, he wanted to hold gun manufacturers liable for the murders in Cleveland, but gave up the idea when he realized he had no chance of winning that one in court.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'm sorry that your so entirely committed to the resistance that you're attempting to JUSTIFY a major repetitive, sponsored event that depicts the assassination of a sitting president. That's the type of academic arrogance that the NYTime Culture pages attempt to sell as EXCUSES for what amounts to nothing more than DEBASED political violence.

It's FINE if you want to go watch Julius Caesar get his due and go orgasmic over a FANTASY IN YOUR MIND about it being a LIVING political opponent. You DO NOT OVERTLY have to flaunt it and rational it as literary license.

Even Shakespeare had the judgement and common sense and decency to kill people on stage that were largely ALREADY ---- way dead.

To POGO -- Yes "you guys" --- the severed head, the repeated killing of the President in Central Park, the attempted MASS assassination of Congress people --- IS the predictable acceleration of this "street theatre" and farce. And here "you guys" are -- trying to justify all the lying, scheming, hissy fit driven political tantrums that are turning ugly --- with events from 30 years ago and mostly UNORGANIZED and UNSUPPORTABLE acts from history.

You need to see the trajectory and the acceleration and the monumental SIZE of this tantrum to understand the dangers. Especially with the MainStream Press INVENTING and SPINNING the crap that is needed to SUSTAIN the anger and violence and opposition.

And because "the other side" chooses NOT to engage or fight back doesn't mean you can push this farther BEFORE it takes the country into outright conflict..

Remember when it was Obama lying on the floor with all those knife wounds in him? Good times. Good times.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

Really? Never heard of it. Did it run in Central Park for weeks sponsored by a Major Media company and the financial backing of several Fortune 500 companies? Did the Leftist Press HAIL it as a cerebral adaptation of a theme?

Nonetheless, US Presidents, and the US government in general, has been ridiculed and subjected to the ire of American citizens since the beginning. Please don't act like it just started happening last January.

The "obama version" was a Minneapolis theater with NO national significance and the actor was just a "lanky black man" --- got ZERO national exposure.

The CURRENT perversion is in the HOME FUCKING TOWN of the President in the most well known park and city in the world and was PRODUCED by a Major Media corporation... It's that ACCELERATION that is going on that gonna get bodies in the streets. You need to be aware of the AMPLIFICATIONS of all this political tribal conflict.

And using one obscure occurrence to ABSOLVE a more egregious occurrence is what's gonna inevitably turn this into a hot war....

Do you really want to make it against the law to criticize the President or our government?

This ain't about ANY legislation. It's about regaining LEADERSHIP, humility in serving in govt, DECENCY, and accountability in govt.

It's also about SURVIVAL in an age when the major media is part of the "insurgency".. What I WANT is for folks to use their judgement muscles before they atrophy away. And that means realizing the seriousness of an inherently UNSTABLE 2 party domination of everything politics. They've LOCKED UP the power. There is no ability for even our elected Congress people to speak their minds freely. Or act as independent identities.

To paraphrase Dr McCoy of Star Fleet -- "Dammit Jim -- I'm a libertarian -- not a fascist".. The 2 Brand Name parties have become the greatest threat to the Republic.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's all just escalating. If you watch the UK parliament, they're booing and shouting all the time. The point is -- that moment at the baseball park was NOT the time to do it. And this 2 way finger pointing is what is leading us straight to the bottom of our existence.. We may LOSE the country if it continues. Because if ALL that happens is a power shift the OTHER WAY -- you guys have now set the bar SOO LOW -- the opposition will ALWAYS be just a mindless, useless resistance of fools.

I'm fine with this. Because Dems have spent all their good will and capital doing NOTHING but scheming and attacking.. And both sides are gonna face mighty wrath at the next elections. Don't think we're gonna need term limits as legislation anymore. The "big middle" is now fully nauseated and fucking scared of tanking the whole Republic with the bad and absent leadership on display. I know the LParty is gonna run Indies instead of party candidates in a lot of key races and draft them from superstar achievers and doers with track records of problem solving in govt.

All that has to happen is to MOCK AND RIDICULE this horrendous death match that's gonna drag on for 3 years. Just keep hitting on the NEW LOWS that the 2 brand name parties have brought us to...

Press and polls won't even see it coming. They'll still be in the pig sty trying to kill each other...

Next time, don't let a fat guy strip tease on the convention floor.

Sure.. We can have a 100 Image consultants and focus groups handle that. More balloons, more vetting, more control... Pretty soon, it'll be just as phony as the "niormal" conventions. There was TONS of more debate, more choices, and more solutions offered at THAT convention -- than any other that year.

We COULD I suppose go negative on the Brand Name tribes and make BIG HUGE headlines. But we decided (unfortunately) not to DO that. NEXT TIME --- all you're gonna hear from us is about the blood in the streets, the chaos, the phony news, the derilection of DUTY -- that is gonna be the "track record" for BOTH your corrupt and debased dynasty parties that need to die... Won't NEED money or a podium at the debates to make that case...

You guys are making it WAAAAAY too easy...

Thanks to you and TN, I started looking into this Libertarian Party prior to their convention. I looked at articles and write ups on the candidates, and I read your posts and I STILL got more and more confused about what it would look like. Then I watched the televised portion of the convention and it was obvious that the Party has not yet found its professional footing. I've seen town meetings a lot more together than that was. You folks don't have to be slick and shiny and bullshit driven but you do need to have your act together. I'd welcome it; at least knowing what a Libertarian government would look like would be a help. Be ready to answer those questions next time, is my advice. And if an attention whore gets on stage, don't let him strip for five minutes before anyone gets their finger out of their butt and does something about it.

Two experience 2 term governors with excellent records of governance were offered as a "mediation team". The America people refused to even consider the choices because they "could not win".. We have so much winning NOW -- that many of us believe this Republic is crumbling in the next decade. Either from INTERNAL CIVIL CONFLICT or just plain stupid ass mistakes and dereliction of leadership duties.

Johnson/Weld was polling 12 to 15% in about 10 states until Debates that we were shut out of.. Seeing as how we were on EVERY STATE BALLOT -- we should not have been excluded...

I agree. It would have helped a lot. I've voted the third party ticket plenty of times and it frustrates me too that people consider it a thrown away vote. It wouldn't be if the third party was treated equally.
Putting them on the debate schedule would have helped a lot. How does that get fixed?

The whole Congressional rules and process are mired in collusion to control power and the elected representatives under 2 banners. Voters focus on THAT "balance of power" and just trade masters when they vote for "winners".. Just having 3 votes in the Senate, maybe 10 in the House that can honestly SPEAK and VOTE and MOCK the other 2 parties without fear of retribution --- is the winning prescription. If vote margins are tight NOW -- imagine the effect of taking a dozen of those seats and giving them to leadership that will RIDICULE the senseless Dem/Rep conflict and EMPHASIS on obtaining and retaining power.

Ballot access is another key. Run those races where the Reps or Dems don't run "losing races" and disenfranchise their ENTIRE constituency... Take DOWN a bunch of senile old codgers who should have quit long ago... Put INDEPENDENT voices in enough seats to show what honesty and humility in serving was all about in the past..

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Correct, we do have three branches of government. In this case, the judicial branch overtook the legislative branch.

The court is not supposed to rule based on what they like or dislike. The courts job is to rule if something is legal and constitutional or not.

Want to read the law yourself? Here is what it says:

Section 212(f), states: "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

So yes, by our law, he does have that right. Now unless you can show me where it states he needs judicial approval, then we can agree the courts ruling is judicial activism if not judicial legislation which is against our US Constitution.

And your judiciary has the right to overturn those decisions. Tell me, who says they are detrimental to the US? The judiciary disagrees (rightly) with his decision. That may be the law, but somebody has to interpret it. What is the definition of the 'detrimental'? So one day, The Orange Buffoon wakes up and decides that people with brown hair are detrimental to the US. They are no longer allowed into the country? I don't think so. Thus you have the judiciary to put a stop to the excesses of executive power.

No, that's not what the judiciary is for. When the judiciary stops laws and decides they won't let the executive branch enforce those laws, that's called Judicial Legislation, and our Constitution strictly prohibits that. It's why we have separate branches of government.

Who says they are detrimental to the US? The President does, and that's all that counts. The law states that's all that counts. It's the President of the United States that makes that decision, not some commie anti-American judge sitting on the bench.

A judge is not privy to information the President has. The judge does not sit in on national security meetings, the judge does not discuss possible terrorist plots planned against the US, the judge has no access to classified information. The judge doesn't know anything--the President does, and that's why he gets to make those decisions.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

We have someone shooting at one of our few remaining bipartisan non political fun charitable events because he wants to kill a bunch of (insert political party).

The violence was against Republicans, not "insert political party." I know you want to edit it out because like a true liberal, you think it's okay to equate instead of truthfully do the math.

Actually it's because people like you choose to ignore the violence from your side. Kind of the root of the problem.

What is because of the violence on my "side" that I allegedly ignore? And frankly, I don't have a side. I've ripped into both sides for being corporate shills. The system is rigged. Trump was totally right about that.

 

[Dr Grump]

[

You might learn to do some research before posting.

You might want to read your own links before posting. His bans included officials from North Korea and people who were responsible for serious human rights violations. They were not based solely on the national on a person's nationality...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Did you hear the hissing and booing when Pres Trump addressed that Cong. Baseball game? You MIGHT want to know the Kumbaya Squad is still in Jihad mode against Trump.. There's no truce here. Enjoy the show.. You rewarded these bastards and bitches for doing fucking nothing but "Being Winners".. Enjoy your "winning"...

Did you hear that Congressman scream "You lie!" in the middle of his speech? Oh wait, that was the last President. Now we're just seeing both sides flip-flop on their previous positions of "You're a messiah" and "You'll destroy the Country".

It's all just escalating. If you watch the UK parliament, they're booing and shouting all the time. The point is -- that moment at the baseball park was NOT the time to do it. And this 2 way finger pointing is what is leading us straight to the bottom of our existence.. We may LOSE the country if it continues. Because if ALL that happens is a power shift the OTHER WAY -- you guys have now set the bar SOO LOW -- the opposition will ALWAYS be just a mindless, useless resistance of fools.

I'm fine with this. Because Dems have spent all their good will and capital doing NOTHING but scheming and attacking.. And both sides are gonna face mighty wrath at the next elections. Don't think we're gonna need term limits as legislation anymore. The "big middle" is now fully nauseated and fucking scared of tanking the whole Republic with the bad and absent leadership on display. I know the LParty is gonna run Indies instead of party candidates in a lot of key races and draft them from superstar achievers and doers with track records of problem solving in govt.

All that has to happen is to MOCK AND RIDICULE this horrendous death match that's gonna drag on for 3 years. Just keep hitting on the NEW LOWS that the 2 brand name parties have brought us to...

Press and polls won't even see it coming. They'll still be in the pig sty trying to kill each other...

Next time, don't let a fat guy strip tease on the convention floor.

Sure.. We can have a 100 Image consultants and focus groups handle that. More balloons, more vetting, more control... Pretty soon, it'll be just as phony as the "niormal" conventions. There was TONS of more debate, more choices, and more solutions offered at THAT convention -- than any other that year.

We COULD I suppose go negative on the Brand Name tribes and make BIG HUGE headlines. But we decided (unfortunately) not to DO that. NEXT TIME --- all you're gonna hear from us is about the blood in the streets, the chaos, the phony news, the derilection of DUTY -- that is gonna be the "track record" for BOTH your corrupt and debased dynasty parties that need to die... Won't NEED money or a podium at the debates to make that case...

You guys are making it WAAAAAY too easy...

Thanks to you and TN, I started looking into this Libertarian Party prior to their convention. I looked at articles and write ups on the candidates, and I read your posts and I STILL got more and more confused about what it would look like. Then I watched the televised portion of the convention and it was obvious that the Party has not yet found its professional footing. I've seen town meetings a lot more together than that was. You folks don't have to be slick and shiny and bullshit driven but you do need to have your act together. I'd welcome it; at least knowing what a Libertarian government would look like would be a help. Be ready to answer those questions next time, is my advice. And if an attention whore gets on stage, don't let him strip for five minutes before anyone gets their finger out of their butt and does something about it.

There are a few problems with a third party.

One is that many of us vote to keep the opposing party out less than to get our person in. Trump was not my choice, but it was either vote for him or Hillary may get in. So yes, voting a third party (not that there is one I like) would have helped usher Bill and Hillary back into the White House, and there was just too much at stake given the Supreme Court vacancy.

But even if by some miracle a third party candidate would get in, he or she would not be able to accomplish anything. They would be a political outsider and the other two parties would never let them get their agendas passed. Trump is an outsider, but he at least belongs to the Republican party, and look how hard of a time his own party members are giving him!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Every time some complain about the actions of DNC rallies turning violent.........someone like you tries to minimize it by throwing the standard KKK argument up and trying to claim the Republicans are KKK.

I know you will attempt to say...........I didn't say that...............but you sure as hell implied it with that post.

I just showed a video...........that most will not watch..........that shows the DNC planning violent protests............which is a crime.................I even stated the code that they should be tried with............

When will the DNC CLEAN IT'S HOUSE UP and stop those who openly try ANARCHY to get their way........I don't see it.........and I sure as hell don't respect it.

I think you missed the point of my post.

Which part of you aiming the KKK line at the Republicans did I miss.................

I pointed out three things. Party and ideology are not the same. Both parties had their associations with the kkk and like. Neither party of today is the party of then. I know of no party platforms that embrace racist elements.

Is that inaccurate?

I would say Black Lies Matter is pretty racist, and they are also associated with the Democrat party.

When Hil-Liar came to campaign here in Cleveland, she was invited to address the Cleveland Police officers. She declined......she didn't have time. But she did meet with the Cleveland BLM leaders in the city.

We have the white supremacists associated with the Republicans.

That's only because those supremacists realize the Democrat party is the anti-white party and are making that more evident every election.