Homeless in a hurricane

[Conservative65]

It's not about what I do but about those that constantly claim they care so much for the less fortunate don't do. As long as the taxpayers are FORCED to do anything, you aren't doing enough.

I've paid power bills when a family couldn't. I've paid water bills when a family couldn't. I've helped pay rent when a family couldn't. Those are just a few. It's not things I share and most of the time, the only ones knowing it's done are those from the locations that know of the situations where it's needed. Unlike the bleeding hearts, I don't get on sites like this and say "I care so much I think others should be forced to help the less fortunate". I simply do it and go on about my business not caring whether or not anyone else knows. When I do it, I do it because I'VE determined it's a worthwhile cause. You and your fellow bleeding hearts believe it is your place to make such a determination for others.

You're problem, as with most bleeding heart Liberals, is that if people that do things like me don't reach an amount that suits you, you believe it's OK to take it from us. Don't think that hasn't been stated by one your own.

As for your question about a better idea, I have one. YOU do more and stop taxing me to support what YOU support. If you and the rest of the bleeding hearts don't have enough money to do it, tough shit.

There's an easy solution. You help those for which you've determined there is a need and I'll do the same. I won't tell you how to do it and all I ask for is the same in return. Deal?

Big deal. You helped a few family members. That's what family does. Lots of people don't have family that can help them. It's better for the country as a whole if we don't allow a destitute class to grow too big. We all have an obligation to help those that are less fortunate. That goes for individuals and the entire country as a whole. You might disagree about the best way to help those that need help, but that doesn't absolve anybody from the obligation to do something.

Where did I say it was family, BOY?

I don't have a responsibility to help anyone but those of my choosing. You don't get to determine my responsibility in that just like I don't have a say in those you choose.

Yours is the typical bleeding heart answer. Grow a pair and help where you see the need. I'll do the same. If you don't like how I do it, tough shit.

Typical internet tough guy.

^ Typical internet pussy. Claims he'd do something if he could then comes up with any and every excuse how he can't.

I'm willing. YOU'RE the one saying no, boy.

OK. You gonna tell me where you are, or do i have to start knocking on doors to find you?

I'm right where you are if you have the guts to say. If you don't, find me, son. Your kind claims to be so much smarter than the rest of us.

 

[Conservative65]

I didn't accuse you of anything. Your words were "I feel for them [homeless people], though, same as I do for all the homeless folks who have to spend the day without a meal when we have a bad snow storm".

Funny how you consider someone expecting a bleeding heart such as yourself to do what you claim should be done for the homeless when their normal ways of getting it aren't there as garbage. The garbage is the person who claims to care about certain groups then does nothing for those groups other than find ways for someone else to be forced to support them.

Simple question. If the homeless don't have food when it snows and you indicate you feel for them when they don't, why aren't you doing something on those days?

Conservative65, I'm now 90 miles from the nearest soup kitchen. Sorry, I pawned the horse and sleigh some time ago. You're doing it again--pretending to know what I do to support the hungry or homeless. Maybe trying to sensibly inform people of the problem is part of what I'm trying to do.

This isn't about the soup kitchen. It's about you saying you feel for people you obviously don't really care about enough to offset the soup kitchen closing. It's very clear you the only concern you have is feeling bad for them. If you truly cared, you wouldn't mention the soup kitchen and actually provide them what you say you feel bad about them not getting when it snows. If informing is all you're doing, you aren't doing a damn thing but making yourself feel better by saying you care.

Damn dude, your PMS isn't her fault.

It's clear that her failure to do what she says should be done is her fault.

Again, your PMS is not her fault, jerk.

I didn't accuse you of anything. Your words were "I feel for them [homeless people], though, same as I do for all the homeless folks who have to spend the day without a meal when we have a bad snow storm".

Funny how you consider someone expecting a bleeding heart such as yourself to do what you claim should be done for the homeless when their normal ways of getting it aren't there as garbage. The garbage is the person who claims to care about certain groups then does nothing for those groups other than find ways for someone else to be forced to support them.

Simple question. If the homeless don't have food when it snows and you indicate you feel for them when they don't, why aren't you doing something on those days?

Conservative65, I'm now 90 miles from the nearest soup kitchen. Sorry, I pawned the horse and sleigh some time ago. You're doing it again--pretending to know what I do to support the hungry or homeless. Maybe trying to sensibly inform people of the problem is part of what I'm trying to do.

This isn't about the soup kitchen. It's about you saying you feel for people you obviously don't really care about enough to offset the soup kitchen closing. It's very clear you the only concern you have is feeling bad for them. If you truly cared, you wouldn't mention the soup kitchen and actually provide them what you say you feel bad about them not getting when it snows. If informing is all you're doing, you aren't doing a damn thing but making yourself feel better by saying you care.

Damn dude, your PMS isn't her fault.

It's clear that her failure to do what she says should be done is her fault.

Again, I don't have PMS but apparently she has WDS.

 

[BULLDOG]

Big deal. You helped a few family members. That's what family does. Lots of people don't have family that can help them. It's better for the country as a whole if we don't allow a destitute class to grow too big. We all have an obligation to help those that are less fortunate. That goes for individuals and the entire country as a whole. You might disagree about the best way to help those that need help, but that doesn't absolve anybody from the obligation to do something.

Where did I say it was family, BOY?

I don't have a responsibility to help anyone but those of my choosing. You don't get to determine my responsibility in that just like I don't have a say in those you choose.

Yours is the typical bleeding heart answer. Grow a pair and help where you see the need. I'll do the same. If you don't like how I do it, tough shit.

Typical internet tough guy.

^ Typical internet pussy. Claims he'd do something if he could then comes up with any and every excuse how he can't.

I'm willing. YOU'RE the one saying no, boy.

OK. You gonna tell me where you are, or do i have to start knocking on doors to find you?

I'm right where you are if you have the guts to say. If you don't, find me, son. Your kind claims to be so much smarter than the rest of us.

Just as I expected.

 

[Conservative65]

Where did I say it was family, BOY?

I don't have a responsibility to help anyone but those of my choosing. You don't get to determine my responsibility in that just like I don't have a say in those you choose.

Yours is the typical bleeding heart answer. Grow a pair and help where you see the need. I'll do the same. If you don't like how I do it, tough shit.

Typical internet tough guy.

^ Typical internet pussy. Claims he'd do something if he could then comes up with any and every excuse how he can't.

I'm willing. YOU'RE the one saying no, boy.

OK. You gonna tell me where you are, or do i have to start knocking on doors to find you?

I'm right where you are if you have the guts to say. If you don't, find me, son. Your kind claims to be so much smarter than the rest of us.

Just as I expected.

You mean like you messaging all those that what you're going to do is tell me on the internet "Fuck You" on their behalf. You've already indicated the only thing you're going to do is say something. In other words, you've indicated you're not going to do anything but talk.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

When you think you are helping the unfortunate, you aren't. You are enabling the poor to not only remain poor. But become more creatively needy. I grew up like that, homeless, cold, starving, back when there was little in the way of public assistance. Charitable people always helped us.

Oh, did I say charitable? I meant to call them what my parents called them, suckers. But they got the satisfaction of being self righteous. That must be some reward.

If you want to help hurricane victims, get a boat and go through flooded streets rescuing animals that were left behind.

 

[BULLDOG]

Typical internet tough guy.

^ Typical internet pussy. Claims he'd do something if he could then comes up with any and every excuse how he can't.

I'm willing. YOU'RE the one saying no, boy.

OK. You gonna tell me where you are, or do i have to start knocking on doors to find you?

I'm right where you are if you have the guts to say. If you don't, find me, son. Your kind claims to be so much smarter than the rest of us.

Just as I expected.

You mean like you messaging all those that what you're going to do is tell me on the internet "Fuck You" on their behalf. You've already indicated the only thing you're going to do is say something. In other words, you've indicated you're not going to do anything but talk.

You're just a big old bag of wind, aren't you?

 

[SeaGal]

When you think you are helping the unfortunate, you aren't. You are enabling the poor to not only remain poor. But become more creatively needy. I grew up like that, homeless, cold, starving, back when there was little in the way of public assistance. Charitable people always helped us.

Oh, did I say charitable? I meant to call them what my parents called them, suckers. But they got the satisfaction of being self righteous. That must be some reward.

If you want to help hurricane victims, get a boat and go through flooded streets rescuing animals that were left behind.

This is a natural disaster - natural disasters care nothing for economic status.

I have worked with people like your parents. There are people with that attitude who live off public assistance - who even cheat or hide income to receive maximum benefits - they don't care that the money had to be taken from someone else first. They exist for sure, tho' many more are thankful for help in time of trouble. I've worked with folks who give 'self-righteously' - so what?...their money spends as well as anyone's.

And NO - if you want to help abandoned animals do not 'get a boat' and go through the flooded streets. There are organizations who rescue and care for animals during a natural disaster - donate to one of them.

 

[Markle]

Yes, mental problems are a big issue in the US, simply because many governments, especially those in poorer red states, see prison as the solution to mental problems.

Medicare and Medicaid were enacted in 1965. From there came a great movement to deinstitutionalize mental patients. That was at the same time as the Civil Rights movements when other movements to mainstream people were also expanding. That put millions on the street with serious mental problems who ended up homeless and not taking their medications.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

When you think you are helping the unfortunate, you aren't. You are enabling the poor to not only remain poor. But become more creatively needy. I grew up like that, homeless, cold, starving, back when there was little in the way of public assistance. Charitable people always helped us.

Oh, did I say charitable? I meant to call them what my parents called them, suckers. But they got the satisfaction of being self righteous. That must be some reward.

If you want to help hurricane victims, get a boat and go through flooded streets rescuing animals that were left behind.

This is a natural disaster - natural disasters care nothing for economic status.

I have worked with people like your parents. There are people with that attitude who live off public assistance - who even cheat or hide income to receive maximum benefits - they don't care that the money had to be taken from someone else first. They exist for sure, tho' many more are thankful for help in time of trouble. I've worked with folks who give 'self-righteously' - so what?...their money spends as well as anyone's.

And NO - if you want to help abandoned animals do not 'get a boat' and go through the flooded streets. There are organizations who rescue and care for animals during a natural disaster - donate to one of them.

We never got public assistance. If you "help" you are part of the problem.

 

[Conservative65]

^ Typical internet pussy. Claims he'd do something if he could then comes up with any and every excuse how he can't.

I'm willing. YOU'RE the one saying no, boy.

OK. You gonna tell me where you are, or do i have to start knocking on doors to find you?

I'm right where you are if you have the guts to say. If you don't, find me, son. Your kind claims to be so much smarter than the rest of us.

Just as I expected.

You mean like you messaging all those that what you're going to do is tell me on the internet "Fuck You" on their behalf. You've already indicated the only thing you're going to do is say something. In other words, you've indicated you're not going to do anything but talk.

You're just a big old bag of wind, aren't you?

Looks like you are if all you can do is tell me "fuck you" on their behalf. Run along, son.

 

[SeaGal]

We never got public assistance. If you "help" you are part of the problem.

Nah. Just a sucker for a hard luck story. Not that all good intentions accomplish good things...there's even a saying - something about roads and Hell.

When it comes to helping victims of natural disasters - Americans pitch in - it's what we do.

 

[Lakhota]

Here's another sad flood story.

An alarming photograph shows several women sitting in the murky water, one of them apparently knitting.

Nursing Home Residents Seen Sitting In Waist-High Water Before Rescue

 

[Peach]

This is why "evacuation" leaves many behind.

 

[miketx]

Guess the same thing could be said for Ray Nagin in New Orleans when he let all those buses that could have been used to get people out before Katrina. Maybe the peoples' radios broke, too since they didn't leave.

How is it that homeless people go without a meal at all with all you bleeding hearts claiming to care as much as you do for them. Don't look at it as a soup kitchen closing down but an opportunity for you to prove that you care as much as you claim you do. You claim to care, the primary source they have for food is closed down, and you do nothing but blame the snow storm for you unwillingness to help.

It's been pretty hard to find a way to pick a fight with my comments so far, but you've managed to imagine all kinds of things to accuse me of in order to do so. What's the matter? Can't find anyone better to pick on today? I know it's Saturday, but geesh.
I have no reply to your post. What in hell could I possibly say to that garbage?

I didn't accuse you of anything. Your words were "I feel for them [homeless people], though, same as I do for all the homeless folks who have to spend the day without a meal when we have a bad snow storm".

Funny how you consider someone expecting a bleeding heart such as yourself to do what you claim should be done for the homeless when their normal ways of getting it aren't there as garbage. The garbage is the person who claims to care about certain groups then does nothing for those groups other than find ways for someone else to be forced to support them.

Simple question. If the homeless don't have food when it snows and you indicate you feel for them when they don't, why aren't you doing something on those days?

Conservative65, I'm now 90 miles from the nearest soup kitchen. Sorry, I pawned the horse and sleigh some time ago. You're doing it again--pretending to know what I do to support the hungry or homeless. Maybe trying to sensibly inform people of the problem is part of what I'm trying to do.

Conservative65

He apparently also knows your finances.

Its always those who do nothing who are the most critical of those who try to help.

I had an idea while at the dentist ... You know how they always give out those little baggies with a tooth brush and toothpaste, floss, info. I asked for just the tooth brushes and toothpaste - as many as they would give me - and took them to the homeless shelter.

A while back, we were checking into a hotel and I noticed a big box of those little individual wrapped soaps. Turned out they had been sold and were getting all new with different wrap on them. I asked for the soap and took it to the shelter.

Seems to me the homeless don't get things like their own soap that they don't have to share.

Anyway - I'd really like to hear ideas from others.

I know it's just silly wishful thinking, but I would like to give each of them at least one face to face opportunity to give people like conservative65 a big F**K YOU. Since I know it will never happen, I do it for them every chance I get.

The last person who got in my face cussing was overcame with 3 ounces of pepper spray. I carry it every where I go. And I know how to behave and how to talk to the police.

As far as the OP after the baseless threats, we give food every so often.

 

[Lakhota]

Something on a lighter note...

Resourceful Dog Walks Away With Bag Of Dog Food After Hurricane Harvey

 

[BULLDOG]

OK. You gonna tell me where you are, or do i have to start knocking on doors to find you?

I'm right where you are if you have the guts to say. If you don't, find me, son. Your kind claims to be so much smarter than the rest of us.

Just as I expected.

You mean like you messaging all those that what you're going to do is tell me on the internet "Fuck You" on their behalf. You've already indicated the only thing you're going to do is say something. In other words, you've indicated you're not going to do anything but talk.

You're just a big old bag of wind, aren't you?

Looks like you are if all you can do is tell me "fuck you" on their behalf. Run along, son.

No sure I said that was all I do for the less fortunate.

 

[Peach]

Beyond predictions and preperation:

This is already Houston’s "worst flood." It’s only going to get worse.

 

[OldLady]

The report below from US News & World Report drew mostly insults and placed blame on the two men; I found it heart wrenching. Any thoughts?

Blame the two men for waiting until the last minute to attempt to get out of harms way? As the mother of a first responder, I find it heart wrenching when my son's life is put at risk by someone who ignored warnings of coming danger from a powerful storm.

Authorities cannot force people to leave - that is why the current trend is to ask for next of kin, or identifying marks for those who refuse to leave. It is too bad the man lost his camper - yet it is a risk he knowingly took.

As a 4th generation Floridian I know about hurricanes - it is foolish to ignore warnings, even though forecasts are sometimes wrong. It's not just wind, flooding can occur miles from landfall. Rescue and relief units can only operate after the storm passes...and even then it's hazardous for the rescuers whether by boat, land or air...a hazard many take on willingly.

Donations to relief efforts is a great idea.

It's possible his camper wasn't working, or he didn't have any money for gas. I'm glad he and his friend lived to tell their tale. But you are right--those who willingly stay behind to protect their property or from sheer bravado or lack of anywhere to go except a shelter where they and their family will sleep in sleeping bags and they can't take their family dog--are putting first responders at risk if they later choose to call for help. Hats off to your son, Seagal.

 

[dannyboys]

The report below from US News & World Report drew mostly insults and placed blame on the two men; I found it heart wrenching. Any thoughts?

CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas (Reuters) - Craig Uggen stopped short in his white Ford truck on Friday as gusting winds from Hurricane Harvey pushed waves from Corpus Christi Bay over the road. His anxiety rose with the water, now covering half his front wheels.

As he backed onto higher ground, another gust ripped the camper from his truck bed. Uggen had lived in that camper on the beach for the past year.

"I can't believe I dropped my home in the damn street," he would say minutes later, shocked at finding himself homeless on Friday with a Category 4 hurricane bearing down on this working-class South Texas city.

The man in the cab next to him, who would only give his name as Travis, had started the day homeless. Uggen had offered to shelter him in his camper when the two met at a convenience store just an hour before.

Their predicament highlights how quickly a natural disaster can make life desperate for those on the margins of society. Travis had planned to stay in Uggen's camper in part because he believed all the city's shelters were closed or full.

He was almost correct. Only one shelter, the Good Samaritan Rescue Mission, remained open as the most powerful storm to hit Texas since 1961 approached.


https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...oc-to-people-living-on-the-margins?src=usn_li

One of the men has a home, but went in his camper to live on the beach for a year......

The radio in his truck must not be working, if he didn't know enough to move back prior to a storm surge hitting.

I feel for them, though, same as I do for all the homeless folks who have to spend the day without a meal when we have a bad snow storm. The soup kitchens always close down. I think of them.

I heard/saw (who knows) a report that some city was telling any resident who was going to stay to write their social security number on their arm.

Holy crap.
.

Rockport mayor.

 

[BULLDOG]

The report below from US News & World Report drew mostly insults and placed blame on the two men; I found it heart wrenching. Any thoughts?

CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas (Reuters) - Craig Uggen stopped short in his white Ford truck on Friday as gusting winds from Hurricane Harvey pushed waves from Corpus Christi Bay over the road. His anxiety rose with the water, now covering half his front wheels.

As he backed onto higher ground, another gust ripped the camper from his truck bed. Uggen had lived in that camper on the beach for the past year.

"I can't believe I dropped my home in the damn street," he would say minutes later, shocked at finding himself homeless on Friday with a Category 4 hurricane bearing down on this working-class South Texas city.

The man in the cab next to him, who would only give his name as Travis, had started the day homeless. Uggen had offered to shelter him in his camper when the two met at a convenience store just an hour before.

Their predicament highlights how quickly a natural disaster can make life desperate for those on the margins of society. Travis had planned to stay in Uggen's camper in part because he believed all the city's shelters were closed or full.

He was almost correct. Only one shelter, the Good Samaritan Rescue Mission, remained open as the most powerful storm to hit Texas since 1961 approached.


https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...oc-to-people-living-on-the-margins?src=usn_li

One of the men has a home, but went in his camper to live on the beach for a year......

The radio in his truck must not be working, if he didn't know enough to move back prior to a storm surge hitting.

I feel for them, though, same as I do for all the homeless folks who have to spend the day without a meal when we have a bad snow storm. The soup kitchens always close down. I think of them.

I heard/saw (who knows) a report that some city was telling any resident who was going to stay to write their social security number on their arm.

Holy crap.
.

Rockport mayor.

It was a perfectly reasonable statement because the storm hit Rockport with 130 Mph wind speed. Wind damage was extensive. The flooding, while still tragic and dangerous allows for more choices in how to respond to the danger. Evacuation isn't always the only, or best option.