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If you all don't mind casting another look at the OP, some things to consider.
The OP mentions that Homosexuality has been mentioned on a number of threads in USMB, and invariably, religion is justified for the condemnation of Homosexuality.
So, I went to the Tanakh and found exactly two, and no more than two, verses that deal very directly with homosexual acts, not necessarily with Homosexuality itself. That's two verses, out of 5,888 verses in the Torah alone and out of around 27,250 in the entire Tanakh, depending on how you count some verses.
That is just 0.03% of the Torah (Pentateuch, 5 books of "Moses") and a microscopic 0.007% of the entire Tanakh that concerns itself with homosexual acts.
That's it.
In the Christian New Testament, I pointed out that Yeshua himself never addressed Homosexuality or any homosexual acts in specific at all.
Now, I saw some very evasive arguments that Yeshuah, by clearly outlining marriage as between one man and one woman, had automatically spoke against Homosexuality. Really? That's the best argument to be made? I think that is very, very weak sauce. Yeshuah was so blazingly clear and detailed on so many things. Why not on this topic?
Anyone done the statistics yet on how many verses in the New Testament deal specifically with homosexual acts at all?
Hint: there are 7,956 verses in the NT.
In my opinion how a person "acts" defines the person. People who steal all the time are habitual thieves. People who often lie are liars. So ... people who commit homosexual acts are homosexuals. That means that if God speaks out against a particular act even once then He's speaking out against the mindset that leads to the act.
I was reading a portion of the New Testament this morning and came across this:
Jude 1:7, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
The city of Sodom has become the root word for "sodomy." But an in-depth study of Sodom and Gomorrah will reveal that they were cities of unbridled sexual license and debauchery (including rampant homosexuality). Some of the men of that region sought the angels that Lot sought to protect by offering his daughters instead. There's lots more to the story but I have to get ready for work.
First, thanks for responding.
Second, I don't share your view vis-a-vis "acts" and "state of being", and neither does the law. Because I don't believe in legislating people's thoughts. Also, the term Homosexuallity did not even exist back then, it was coined in the middle of the 19th century. But surely people were aware of the state of being.
Third, thank you for offereing Jude as an example. Again, a verse that does not explicitly describe homsexual acts. And part of what you wrote just undid your argument. If this is about homosexual acts, why would Lot try to offer up his daughters to those hordes? Why would a Homosexual want to sleep with one of his daughters in order to be assuaged?
It it likely that Homosexuality and homosexual acts were part of the equation with the legend of Sodom and Gomorrah - but they would be in any city or town because Homsexuals have always been among us.
And just to note, Jude is not quoting Jeshuah.
But thank you for contributing the verse. Interesting stuff.