House to vote on Consumption Tax and abolish the IRS

[Ray From Cleveland]

There aren't many states with 0% income tax rates

Most state governments in the United States collect a state income tax on all income earned within the state,​

Income Tax Rates By State 2023 - Tax-Rates.org

www.tax-rates.org

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Now you're changing it from federal income tax to state tax. That's not what the OP is about.

 

[johnwk]

Rep. Buddy Carter, Serving Georgia's 1st District has introduced the Fair Tax, (H.R. 25)

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See: Carter introduces Fair Tax Act

January 10, 2023

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Rep. Earl L. “Buddy” Carter (R-GA) today introduced H.R. 25, the Fair Tax Act, to replace the current tax code with a national consumption tax known as the Fair Tax.

Keep in mind that the FAIR TAX ACT does not withdraw Congress' power to lay and collect "excise" taxes calculated from profits, gains and other types of incomes. But it does establish a new national sales tax, and with regard to the selling point that the Fair Tax “… abolishes the abusive Internal Revenue Service …”, in its place it creates two new tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” and the “Sales Tax Bureau", in addition to keeping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms alive which will also be collecting taxes.

And if you think businesses and individuals subject to the Fair Tax are free from filling out annual tax returns, the shocking truth is, they will have to start filling out and filing Fair Tax returns, under the penalty of perjury, every month ___ that’s twelve frickin times a year!

Additionally, even ordinary working people, who sell the property each has in their own labor, and work odd jobs, such as baby sitting, handyman jobs etc., to meet today’s high cost of living, not only will they have to file Fair Tax returns twelve times a year but will have to register with the federal government to exercise their inalienable right to sell their labor.

And if the above is not enough to make one recoil from the notoriously evil and deceptive Fair Tax proposal, the Fair Tax would also create another entitlement called the “family consumption allowance”, which is a monthly government check sent to every household in America which allows the purchase of a rationed supply of tax-free necessities of life and puts our entire population on the public dole! Of course, this new entitlement, if adopted, will become another issue used during election time to buy votes.


Why on earth would any "conservative" politician support this rope-a-dope proposal which strengthens the federal government's iron grip around the American people's necks?

JWK

 

[Zincwarrior]

Why not? How would they escape an consumption tax?

Just like now. Cash transactions.

 

[citygator]

U.S. National Debt by President

Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president. Depending on how you measure it, the answers may differ.

www.thebalancemoney.com

That piece compares an 8 year growth in debt to a 4 year growth in debt. Also you cant look at year one of a Presidency and consider that as his budget since it was passed by the last guy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just like now. Cash transactions.

We have a consumption tax where I live and I pay for almost everything in cash. I still have to pay the tax. It's unavoidable. How are you going to get away from taxes paying cash for a car, a big screen, a house? Hell, you can't even get away without paying tax on a pack of cigarettes and it's mostly all taxes.

 

[Zincwarrior]

We have a consumption tax where I live and I pay for almost everything in cash. I still have to pay the tax. It's unavoidable. How are you going to get away from taxes paying cash for a car, a big screen, a house? Hell, you can't even get away without paying tax on a pack of cigarettes and it's mostly all taxes.

We were talking about the underground economy, not that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That piece compares an 8 year growth in debt to a 4 year growth in debt. Also you cant look at year one of a Presidency and consider that as his budget since it was passed by the last guy.

That's why they try to break it down for you. The fact is Dementia has spent trillions of dollars in line what what Trump spent in four years. Mind you now that the House is Republican, that growth will slow down hopefully dramatically, but had the House went Democrat, he would have exceeded Trump's spending by the end of his first term.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We were talking about the underground economy, not that.

Hmmm. I've lived here all of my life and we've always had a consumption tax. No underground economy here outside of dope and perhaps some gambling. We buy all our products from stores or online, and that tax has to be paid.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That's why they try to break it down for you. The fact is Dementia has spent trillions of dollars in line what what Trump spent in four years. Mind you now that the House is Republican, that growth will slow down hopefully dramatically, but had the House went Democrat, he would have exceeded Trump's spending by the end of his first term.

Why didn't having a GOP House slow the spending when Trump was the president?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why didn't having a GOP House slow the spending when Trump was the president?

The GOP only had the House the first two years of Trump. The money they spent was for the military and to lower taxes on most people and businesses to keep the economy going. In the second half of his term the Democrats took over the House and we soon got hit with covid, the worst pandemic anybody alive in this country has ever seen.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Why? People already pay sales taxes.

Because not charging a flat tax is unfair...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The GOP only had the House the first two years of Trump. The money they spent was for the military and to lower taxes on most people and businesses to keep the economy going. In the second half of his term the Democrats took over the House and we soon got hit with covid, the worst pandemic anybody alive in this country has ever seen.

And this is why we have 32 trillion dollars in debt. You drones will always give your beloved party a free pass

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And this is why we have 32 trillion dollars in debt. You drones will always give your beloved party a free pass

It was 28 trillion when Trump left office. It's 32 trillion now. By far the Republicans spent on more responsible things that benefited most if not the entire country compared to the Democrats who spent money on stupid shit we don't need for vote buying and pandering to their lifelong supporters. It's not giving anybody a free pass, but you seem to live in this fantasy world where the President is the sole person responsible for spending when it's really the opposite.

 

[johnwk]

The FairTax might as well be called the Nanny Tax​

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When one takes the time to study the provisions of the “Fair Tax” they soon realize ordinary working people, like the married couple down the block, Mary and Joe, will not only have to file Fair Tax returns twelve times a year, but register with government to exercise their inalienable right to sell the property each has in their own labor.

Let us look at Mary and Joe who have two children and find it necessary to earn extra money to pay their bills. Mary baby sits for neighbors in the community and cleans homes on weekends to raise extra money while Joe, who works for a plumbing company as a full-time job, also provides plumbing services on his own time to people living in his community.

Under the alleged FairTax Mary and Joe’s inalienable right to sell the property they have in their labor becomes a taxable event and must register with government [“SEC. 502. REGISTRATION”], to sell the property they have in their labor, collect a 23 percent federal tax for Congress [“SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX] when selling their labor, and file Fair Tax returns under the penalty of perjury twelve times a year [“SEC. 501. MONTHLY REPORTS AND PAYMENTS].

Additionally, Mary and Joe will also be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up [“SEC. 508. RECORDS] and live under the constant threat of audits [“SEC. 507. SUMMONS, EXAMINATIONS, AUDITS, ETC.], if they dare to sell the property they have in their labor. Now keep in mind how direct taxation is currently being used to threaten, intimidate, and harass political opponents.

Why on earth would any Freedom Caucus member support the Nanny Tax, AKA the Fair Tax?

JWK

"The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands; and to hinder him from employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property." ___ Butchers’ Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1884)

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It was 28 trillion when Trump left office. It's 32 trillion now.

It was 20 when Trump took office, and 29 when he left.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Let each State fund their ratable portion based upon their EV

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And this is why we have 32 trillion dollars in debt. You drones will always give your beloved party a free pass

The system is broken. I would wipe out 25% of all the spending in the current budget

 

[Blaster]

It was 20 when Trump took office, and 29 when he left.

 

[there4eyeM]

Regressive taxes are an abomination.

 

[Blues Man]

I propose a true flat tax. Not a flat percentage rate, but a flat fee for a say in how the government spends said taxation. No one has to pay it, but if they don't, no vote. The government would then be required to stay beneath its revenue stream, using the excess to begin paying down debt.

That's called a poll tax and is unconstitutional