‘Housing for All’: Democrats push for big government response to soaring rents

[Markle]

Those households that need the taxpayer to cover the difference for crappy wages

Why do you refuse to answer the question? I'll pose it again.

How many households exist solely on one worker earning minimum wage?

 

[Markle]

It's a simple question. Why are you dodging it? Think about that.

If you want to make a point about the evils of minimum wage....make it

Don’t expect me to do it for you

Allow me. And don't complain about the source, it's one of your own:

Column: Raising the minimum wage lowers employment for teens and low-skill workers

We see that bullshit every time they raise minimum wage.....it never comes to be. The market adjusts

If raising wages causes layoffs, how come raising the price of supplies, taxes, rents, insurance ....doesn’t cause layoffs

How do you know it doesn't? And what do you bean bullshit? It's from one of your very own, PBS.

I have a hardware store with six employees, I have X amount of money I can use for labor. Now their wages double which I cannot control, but I still only have X amount of money for labor. How am I going to deal with that if not get rid of half of my workers?

Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do

Why did you dodge yet another question?

 

[rightwinger]

Those households that need the taxpayer to cover the difference for crappy wages

Why do you refuse to answer the question? I'll pose it again.

How many households exist solely on one worker earning minimum wage?

How the fuk do I know?

 

[rightwinger]

If you want to make a point about the evils of minimum wage....make it

Don’t expect me to do it for you

Allow me. And don't complain about the source, it's one of your own:

Column: Raising the minimum wage lowers employment for teens and low-skill workers

We see that bullshit every time they raise minimum wage.....it never comes to be. The market adjusts

If raising wages causes layoffs, how come raising the price of supplies, taxes, rents, insurance ....doesn’t cause layoffs

How do you know it doesn't? And what do you bean bullshit? It's from one of your very own, PBS.

I have a hardware store with six employees, I have X amount of money I can use for labor. Now their wages double which I cannot control, but I still only have X amount of money for labor. How am I going to deal with that if not get rid of half of my workers?

Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do

Why did you dodge yet another question?

No dodge

I refuted his claim

 

[Markle]

How the fuk do I know?

rightwinger's response to the simple question I posed which is: "How many households exist solely on one worker earning minimum wage?"

Which proves you are intentionally ignorant about the subject you foolishly rant about. You must be so proud!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wait. "Free" College, Universal Healthcare, A Living Wage, Universal Income, "Free" Housing. Where does it end for the Democrats? How about we stop making political office a paying job, and also have TERM LIMITS?

We could do that or give major tax breaks to billionaires

Guess what we did?

We could have all that by not giving tax breaks? How much do you think those tax breaks cost us per year? If you guessed 150 billion, that's pretty close, but that's all the tax cuts, not just for the rich.

Medicare for all would cost over 330 billion alone per year. So just for that one program, we would be short 160 billion by taking back those tax cuts to pay for it

Does Bernie Sanders’s health plan cost $33 trillion — or save $2 trillion?

 

[Markle]

No dodge

I refuted his claim

Nonsense. Here was the question, for which you have NO ANSWER.

I have a hardware store with six employees, I have X amount of money I can use for labor. Now their wages double which I cannot control, but I still only have X amount of money for labor. How am I going to deal with that if not get rid of half of my workers?

This was your dodge, yet again.

"Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do"

Try to enter the real world. Something I know is incredibly difficult for Progressives.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's a simple question. Why are you dodging it? Think about that.

If you want to make a point about the evils of minimum wage....make it

Don’t expect me to do it for you

Allow me. And don't complain about the source, it's one of your own:

Column: Raising the minimum wage lowers employment for teens and low-skill workers

We see that bullshit every time they raise minimum wage.....it never comes to be. The market adjusts

If raising wages causes layoffs, how come raising the price of supplies, taxes, rents, insurance ....doesn’t cause layoffs

How do you know it doesn't? And what do you bean bullshit? It's from one of your very own, PBS.

I have a hardware store with six employees, I have X amount of money I can use for labor. Now their wages double which I cannot control, but I still only have X amount of money for labor. How am I going to deal with that if not get rid of half of my workers?

Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do

No, I would have to increase my prices, layoff a few workers, and have the remaining workers work 55 hours a week instead of 40. If I were in a business that could use automation, I would do that since the new wage would make automation more affordable.

You have to remember that when your boss gives you a dollar an our wage, that's only the start of it. It costs him more than a dollar per hour when you figure an increase in workman's compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, matching social security and Medicare contributions, and yes, even vacation and holiday pay.

 

[rightwinger]

How the fuk do I know?

rightwinger's response to the simple question I posed which is: "How many households exist solely on one worker earning minimum wage?"

Which proves you are intentionally ignorant about the subject you foolishly rant about. You must be so proud!

Show me the numbers

How the fuk would I know?

 

[rightwinger]

If you want to make a point about the evils of minimum wage....make it

Don’t expect me to do it for you

Allow me. And don't complain about the source, it's one of your own:

Column: Raising the minimum wage lowers employment for teens and low-skill workers

We see that bullshit every time they raise minimum wage.....it never comes to be. The market adjusts

If raising wages causes layoffs, how come raising the price of supplies, taxes, rents, insurance ....doesn’t cause layoffs

How do you know it doesn't? And what do you bean bullshit? It's from one of your very own, PBS.

I have a hardware store with six employees, I have X amount of money I can use for labor. Now their wages double which I cannot control, but I still only have X amount of money for labor. How am I going to deal with that if not get rid of half of my workers?

Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do

No, I would have to increase my prices, layoff a few workers, and have the remaining workers work 55 hours a week instead of 40. If I were in a business that could use automation, I would do that since the new wage would make automation more affordable.

You have to remember that when your boss gives you a dollar an our wage, that's only the start of it. It costs him more than a dollar per hour when you figure an increase in workman's compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, matching social security and Medicare contributions, and yes, even vacation and holiday pay.

Wrong

You keep as few workers as you need to run your business. A business makes a profit off of EVERY worker

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Allow me. And don't complain about the source, it's one of your own:

Column: Raising the minimum wage lowers employment for teens and low-skill workers

We see that bullshit every time they raise minimum wage.....it never comes to be. The market adjusts

If raising wages causes layoffs, how come raising the price of supplies, taxes, rents, insurance ....doesn’t cause layoffs

How do you know it doesn't? And what do you bean bullshit? It's from one of your very own, PBS.

I have a hardware store with six employees, I have X amount of money I can use for labor. Now their wages double which I cannot control, but I still only have X amount of money for labor. How am I going to deal with that if not get rid of half of my workers?

Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do

No, I would have to increase my prices, layoff a few workers, and have the remaining workers work 55 hours a week instead of 40. If I were in a business that could use automation, I would do that since the new wage would make automation more affordable.

You have to remember that when your boss gives you a dollar an our wage, that's only the start of it. It costs him more than a dollar per hour when you figure an increase in workman's compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, matching social security and Medicare contributions, and yes, even vacation and holiday pay.

Wrong

You keep as few workers as you need to run your business. A business makes a profit off of EVERY worker

Yes they do if government leaves businesses alone. But when government dictates what a business must pay their employees, there goes the profit.

 

[rightwinger]

Wait. "Free" College, Universal Healthcare, A Living Wage, Universal Income, "Free" Housing. Where does it end for the Democrats? How about we stop making political office a paying job, and also have TERM LIMITS?

We could do that or give major tax breaks to billionaires

Guess what we did?

We could have all that by not giving tax breaks? How much do you think those tax breaks cost us per year? If you guessed 150 billion, that's pretty close, but that's all the tax cuts, not just for the rich.

Medicare for all would cost over 330 billion alone per year. So just for that one program, we would be short 160 billion by taking back those tax cuts to pay for it

Does Bernie Sanders’s health plan cost $33 trillion — or save $2 trillion?

The Trump billionaire giveaway was $1.5 trillion

Medicare for all would offer significant savings if you fund it from what employers and employees pay for private insurance

 

[rightwinger]

We see that bullshit every time they raise minimum wage.....it never comes to be. The market adjusts

If raising wages causes layoffs, how come raising the price of supplies, taxes, rents, insurance ....doesn’t cause layoffs

How do you know it doesn't? And what do you bean bullshit? It's from one of your very own, PBS.

I have a hardware store with six employees, I have X amount of money I can use for labor. Now their wages double which I cannot control, but I still only have X amount of money for labor. How am I going to deal with that if not get rid of half of my workers?

Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do

No, I would have to increase my prices, layoff a few workers, and have the remaining workers work 55 hours a week instead of 40. If I were in a business that could use automation, I would do that since the new wage would make automation more affordable.

You have to remember that when your boss gives you a dollar an our wage, that's only the start of it. It costs him more than a dollar per hour when you figure an increase in workman's compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, matching social security and Medicare contributions, and yes, even vacation and holiday pay.

Wrong

You keep as few workers as you need to run your business. A business makes a profit off of EVERY worker

Yes they do if government leaves businesses alone. But when government dictates what a business must pay their employees, there goes the profit.

There are many variables that affect profit.
Cost of supplies, rent, power, insurance .....they all go up
Businesses adjust without cutting employees

If you can survive with fewer employees......you already do it

 

[francoHFW]

definition of DUMASSES
the USSR tried that socialist crap and you see where they are now
and here in the US:

Living conditions in Pruitt–Igoe began to decline soon after completion in 1956.[3] By the late 1960s, the complex had become internationally infamous for its poverty, crime, and racial segregation.

1956

1972

Pruitt–Igoe - Wikipedia

1956 sounds like Republicans built that crap

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How do you know it doesn't? And what do you bean bullshit? It's from one of your very own, PBS.

I have a hardware store with six employees, I have X amount of money I can use for labor. Now their wages double which I cannot control, but I still only have X amount of money for labor. How am I going to deal with that if not get rid of half of my workers?

Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do

No, I would have to increase my prices, layoff a few workers, and have the remaining workers work 55 hours a week instead of 40. If I were in a business that could use automation, I would do that since the new wage would make automation more affordable.

You have to remember that when your boss gives you a dollar an our wage, that's only the start of it. It costs him more than a dollar per hour when you figure an increase in workman's compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, matching social security and Medicare contributions, and yes, even vacation and holiday pay.

Wrong

You keep as few workers as you need to run your business. A business makes a profit off of EVERY worker

Yes they do if government leaves businesses alone. But when government dictates what a business must pay their employees, there goes the profit.

There are many variables that affect profit.
Cost of supplies, rent, power, insurance .....they all go up
Businesses adjust without cutting employees

If you can survive with fewer employees......you already do it

Modest increases in prices are something businesses can handle. For instance: if my water bill goes up, I can increase rents to my tenants by five or ten dollars. Same with property taxes or insurance. If my costs double for some reason, I can't make modest increases. I would have to double the cost of rent to all my tenants which isn't feasible or realistic.

My only other choice would be close down; find something else to do. Nobody makes or keeps investments to be continually robbed. If you have a bad investment, get rid of it and find a good one.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wait. "Free" College, Universal Healthcare, A Living Wage, Universal Income, "Free" Housing. Where does it end for the Democrats? How about we stop making political office a paying job, and also have TERM LIMITS?

We could do that or give major tax breaks to billionaires

Guess what we did?

We could have all that by not giving tax breaks? How much do you think those tax breaks cost us per year? If you guessed 150 billion, that's pretty close, but that's all the tax cuts, not just for the rich.

Medicare for all would cost over 330 billion alone per year. So just for that one program, we would be short 160 billion by taking back those tax cuts to pay for it

Does Bernie Sanders’s health plan cost $33 trillion — or save $2 trillion?

The Trump billionaire giveaway was $1.5 trillion

Medicare for all would offer significant savings if you fund it from what employers and employees pay for private insurance

I doubt it. But the point was is that you can't fund it from taking away tax breaks. The numbers simply don't add up.

John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.

 

[Markle]

Show me the numbers

How the fuk would I know?

Why are you arguing about a subject you know nothing about?

 

[Markle]

The Trump billionaire giveaway was $1.5 trillion

Medicare for all would offer significant savings if you fund it from what employers and employees pay for private insurance

Your desperation is duly noted!

Politics
‘Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS (RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR)
July 30, 2018, 12:43 AM EDT Updated on July 30, 2018, 1:11 PM EDT

Washington (AP) -- Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center.

That's trillion with a "T."

The latest plan from the Vermont independent would deliver significant savings on administration and drug costs, but increased demand for care would drive up spending, according to the analysis by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia. Doubling federal individual and corporate income tax receipts would not cover the full cost, the study said.

Terms of Service Violation

 

[rightwinger]

Not how it works
You have a hardware store with six employees
You have as few employees as you can operate your store.

If you could run your business with four or five, that is what you would do

No, I would have to increase my prices, layoff a few workers, and have the remaining workers work 55 hours a week instead of 40. If I were in a business that could use automation, I would do that since the new wage would make automation more affordable.

You have to remember that when your boss gives you a dollar an our wage, that's only the start of it. It costs him more than a dollar per hour when you figure an increase in workman's compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, matching social security and Medicare contributions, and yes, even vacation and holiday pay.

Wrong

You keep as few workers as you need to run your business. A business makes a profit off of EVERY worker

Yes they do if government leaves businesses alone. But when government dictates what a business must pay their employees, there goes the profit.

There are many variables that affect profit.
Cost of supplies, rent, power, insurance .....they all go up
Businesses adjust without cutting employees

If you can survive with fewer employees......you already do it

Modest increases in prices are something businesses can handle. For instance: if my water bill goes up, I can increase rents to my tenants by five or ten dollars. Same with property taxes or insurance. If my costs double for some reason, I can't make modest increases. I would have to double the cost of rent to all my tenants which isn't feasible or realistic.

My only other choice would be close down; find something else to do. Nobody makes or keeps investments to be continually robbed. If you have a bad investment, get rid of it and find a good one.

The market adjusts
If your prices go up, so do your competitors

Minimum wage goes up for all

 

[rightwinger]

The Trump billionaire giveaway was $1.5 trillion

Medicare for all would offer significant savings if you fund it from what employers and employees pay for private insurance

Your desperation is duly noted!

Politics
‘Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS (RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR)
July 30, 2018, 12:43 AM EDT Updated on July 30, 2018, 1:11 PM EDT

Washington (AP) -- Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center.

That's trillion with a "T."

The latest plan from the Vermont independent would deliver significant savings on administration and drug costs, but increased demand for care would drive up spending, according to the analysis by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia. Doubling federal individual and corporate income tax receipts would not cover the full cost, the study said.

Terms of Service Violation

Fake news that does not account for the shift from private to public
The tax hike would be more than compensated for