How About We Elect Our Presidents By Popular Vote?

[OKTexas]

So the States possess Constitutional rights, not the voters. {except in every election but for President}?

Governments have powers, not rights. Rights are reserved to the individual.

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[eddiew37]

No I think you've pretty much covered all the commie talking points, propaganda and lies. FOAD

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Lies?? You ever listen to your Gov Abbot ?

 

[OKTexas]

Reduced to attacking the person now? That is

Nope, he's just point out the ignorance you've been demonstrating throughout the thread.

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[Grumblenuts]

Governments have powers, not rights. Rights are reserved to the individual.

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Wait, I'm just the middleman here.. You can go right ahead and argue that with Will directly!

 

[JLW]

I only see one word in caps. I do see you having a reaction though


Another leftist who dreams of a one party system

It is not a left or right argument. It is about the government reflecting the will of the people. Are you so worried about the popular vote that you think your side will never win again unless the rules are fixed?That seems to be your concern.

 

[struth]

So the votes of those in smaller states count proportionally more than those in bigger states. Last I checked, the Constitution had something to say about people being treated unequally before the law?

then you should win your lawsuit..file it…

wait you got a problem…the EC vote is based on population

 

[progressive hunter]

It is not a left or right argument. It is about the government reflecting the will of the people. Are you so worried about the popular vote that you think your side will never win again unless the rules are fixed?That seems to be your argument.

and each state does reflect the will of the people from those states,,

 

[JLW]

and each state does reflect the will of the people from those states,,

So why should not the federal government reflect the will of the people?

 

[OKTexas]

Lies?? You ever listen to your Gov Abbot ?

Yes and yes.

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[struth]

It is not a left or right argument. It is about the government reflecting the will of the people. Are you so worried about the popular vote that you think your side will never win again unless the rules are fixed?That seems to be your concern.

i’m worried President won’t campaign across the United States and instead only represent or apply to the needs of more populated states

you know the same concerns our Founders had

 

[theHawk]

Not talking about eliminating the Electoral College here necessarily. Just bypassing it for the Presidential races. This is an initiative that's proven popular and non-partisan. Why do we still tolerate them only having to campaign in a few "swing" states?

Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote

One-page explanation (PDF) The National Popular Vote law will guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. It will apply the one-person-one-vote principle to presidential elections, and make every vote equal. Why a...

www.nationalpopularvote.com

Listen to a great discussion by clicking the play button at the bottom here:

Why Do We Still Have The Electoral College?

Ralph welcomes Harvard history professor, Alex Keyssar, scholar of voting rights and author of “Why Do We Still Have The Electoral College?” to discuss the battle over the Electoral College and the role white supremacy played in conceiving and perpetuating it. Then, we welcome back Steve Silberstein

www.ralphnaderradiohour.com

It would just encourage more ballot stuffing than the Dems already do….

 

[OKTexas]

It is not a left or right argument. It is about the government reflecting the will of the people. Are you so worried about the popular vote that you think your side will never win again unless the rules are fixed?That seems to be your concern.

The popular vote is a figment of the imagination of losers. It has no basis in the Constitution for presidential elections.

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[progressive hunter]

So why should not the federal government reflect the will of the people?

because thats not the way our system was set up,, each state is a country in its self and all should have equal say,,

to do what you want you would need to get rid of the states and just have one big country,, and considering the size of that it just wouldnt work unless we got rid of diversity and made everyone the same like Moa and Stalin did,,

 

[JLW]

i’m worried President won’t campaign across the United States and instead only represent or apply to the needs of more populated states

you know the same concerns our Founders had

The founding fathers thought that only the white male landed gentry should have the right to vote as well. Times have changed. In a popular vote scenario, every vote weighs the same. Isn’t that the way it should be?

 

[JLW]

The popular vote is a figment of the imagination of losers. It has no basis in the Constitution for presidential elections.

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That is why there is a discussion as to whether to abolish or reform it.

 

[JLW]

because thats not the way our system was set up,, each state is a country in its self and all should have equal say,,

to do what you want you would need to get rid of the states and just have one big country,, and considering the size of that it just wouldnt work unless we got rid of diversity and made everyone the same like Moa and Stalin did,,

No, the Country had an Articles of Confederation that gave considerable rights to the states and it failed miserably. The founding fathers went back to the drawing board and redrew the Constitution to give the federal government much more expansive powers.

The electoral college has proven to be a failure. It has worked the opposite than what the founding fathers intended. Rather than act as a brake on populism and populists, it has acted more like a catalyst.

 

[Grumblenuts]

then you should win your lawsuit..file it…

wait you got a problem…the EC vote is based on population

Not as an individual U.S. citizen or voter it's not. Does your State have a President? No? Then why not just vote together as an equal along with all your U.S.A.! U.S.A.! bleating brethren? Got a problem with them or what?

 

[JWBooth]

Not talking about eliminating the Electoral College here necessarily. Just bypassing it for the Presidential races. This is an initiative that's proven popular and non-partisan. Why do we still tolerate them only having to campaign in a few "swing" states?

Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote

One-page explanation (PDF) The National Popular Vote law will guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. It will apply the one-person-one-vote principle to presidential elections, and make every vote equal. Why a...

www.nationalpopularvote.com

Listen to a great discussion by clicking the play button at the bottom here:

Why Do We Still Have The Electoral College?

Ralph welcomes Harvard history professor, Alex Keyssar, scholar of voting rights and author of “Why Do We Still Have The Electoral College?” to discuss the battle over the Electoral College and the role white supremacy played in conceiving and perpetuating it. Then, we welcome back Steve Silberstein

www.ralphnaderradiohour.com

This dumb fuck idea usually only pops up when the dims fall short in EC votes.

 

[HappyJoy]

youre leaving out direct democracy's have created some of the worst atrocities in human history,,,

Getting rid of the EC does not make us a direct democracy, especially on the federal level.

 

[progressive hunter]

No, the Country had an Articles of Confederation that gave considerable rights to the states and it failed miserably. The founding fathers went back to the drawing board and redrew the Constitution to give the federal government much more expansive powers.

The electoral college has proven to be a failure. It has worked the opposite than what the founding fathers intended. Rather than act as a brake on populism and populists, it has acted more like a catalyst.

it might be a failure in your eyes because you want the lib control of everything,, but to me it works just fine and protects small communities from the big ones,, in other words it protects the minority from the majority,,

to save time you may just want to move to another country now while you are young so you can enjoy it,,