How did Birth Control become a right?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Birth control pills are paid for by insurance. Unless you work for a company that has a moral objection to them. Which, you'd have known when you went to work for the company.

and that, which comes from Hobby Lobby, is the stupidest thing on the planet. no one should have to ask a religious zealot boss for insurance coverage that is already paid for.

but it's always adorable when rightwingnut males try to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

We know............and you love it!

 

[Taz]

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If you need to go to a doctor to have him check you out and then give you a prescription for something, it's a medical act. But the real question is, why are you so against people having a good time during sex? Been a while?

I have no problem at all. I just don't want to pay for them to have sex. Just like I don't want you to pay for my boat. It's my fun, my responsibility.

You realize the birth control is a tiny fractional part of a company's health bill, don't you? And you realize also that it shows your unhinged Christian mindset, don't you? Well, probably not.

Well if it's a tiny part of a companies healthcare bill then it's a tiny part for the individual to buy BC themselves.

It's not like they'll delist birth control and then lower the premiums. It won't make a difference. So your reasons can only be ideological.

 

[toobfreak]

But apparently it must be a right if they can sue the Trump administration for discontinuing the mandate that DumBama put in there.

It never fails to amaze me that first the Left fights for so many wrong things, then are amazed they actually turn out bad, then have the nerve to look at others with a straight face of indignation and blame it all on the Right! But then, as the adage goes, liberalism IS a mental disorder, proven exhaustively right here on the board.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

So why is the United States the only modern country without good health care system? Hint the GOP.

The US healthcare system is second to none. I think your question is where's my free government healthcare hand out.

That's what happens when you get sick or have an accident, stupid. That's why they call it insurance or a system. We're the only modern country that doesn't have a system. That's why it cost so much

I want free government healthcare the rich

Tell us how someone making min wage can afford healthcare, maybe you know a secret.

Minimum wage is about $7.50 an hour or so. Work one hour, buy a box of condoms, and that's how a minimum wage person can afford birth control.

 

[hadit]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Birth control pills are paid for by insurance. Unless you work for a company that has a moral objection to them. Which, you'd have known when you went to work for the company.

and that, which comes from Hobby Lobby, is the stupidest thing on the planet. no one should have to ask a religious zealot boss for insurance coverage that is already paid for.

but it's always adorable when rightwingnut males try to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

I'm glad no one is doing that. That would be bad.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

Hey Ray, I had this thought last night, since women want us to pay for the sex fun, why can't they pay for our taxi rides home after a night of drinking?

That might not be an entirely bad idea. THink how much we could save if Taxi Service for the inebriated became a thing.

Where would you find the drivers? Nobody wants a vomiting drunk in their cab that they are in charge of cleaning up. Maybe when unmanned cars become reliable, drunks can have the car take them home at the end of the night.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hey Ray, I had this thought last night, since women want us to pay for the sex fun, why can't they pay for our taxi rides home after a night of drinking?

For the same reason they won't pay for my ammo when I go shooting. It's not their kind of fun.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

So why is the United States the only modern country without good health care system? Hint the GOP.

Right, we have such a terrible healthcare system that people from all over the world fly here to be part of it.

I'm a patient at the Cleveland Clinic, and let me tell you, when you walk into the Cleveland Clinic main campus downtown, you are the one who feels like a foreigner.

No they don't. Another lie from Big Medicine. People who go to the US for medical care, are very wealthy, and generally seeking experimental treatments they can't get at home.

Your health care system is crap unless you have millions to pay for it.

Exactly. Wealthy foreigners do come here because they don't want their crap medical system in their country to take care of them. They can afford better like the US system.

And no, they don't come here for experimental treatment. Trust me, my sister has worked at the Clinic for over 30 years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It never HAS been a right. Just another of a million liberal lies that a woman has the right to kill her fetus because it's "her" body.

Nope. That is another body growing inside you, not YOUR body, it depends on you and unless the life of the mother is in danger from the pregnancy, it is nothing short of MURDER to have an abortion.

But liberals don't want to face the truth because to them, life is cheap and disposable.

Birth control is not abortion, abortion Nut Job...

No, anyone can buy a condom, they are cheap and I shouldn't have to buy them for anyone else. If you need me to pay for your diaphragm or pill, then maybe you should be more worried about getting a job instead of having a baby? But few birth control methods are INFALLIBLE, then it comes down to an unwanted pregnancy, so RIGHT TO BIRTH CONTROL goes HAND IN HAND with the RIGHT TO ABORTION.

It all stems from the desire for guilt free sex. No ties to God, no ties to marriage, no ties to the child. Just screw away, get rid of the kid and not even have to worry about the bill! A liberal's dream! Maybe if someone is on public assistance for more than 5 years with no hope in sight of supporting themselves, they should have a mandatory sterilization! That goes for illegals as well.

And because of brainwashed ideological idiots in the GOP, we have millions of single mothers on welfare. Brilliant!

How did that happen? Did the GOP knock those women up while they weren't paying attention?

One Rep Senator, Murphy I believe who made the 20 week abortion law, knocked up his mistress and wanted her to have an abortion. You pubs will reap what you sow. Expect to see a lot more VD's and welfare moms due to weak men.

Due to weak men, or due to weak women who can't keep their legs closed?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So why not be honest and create a new welfare program dedicated to subsidizing peoples' sex lives?

Probably because you'll get the religious nutters trying to decide they are doctors... kind of like they do with Planned Parenthood funding now.

From the guy who wants government to be our doctors instead.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

So why is the United States the only modern country without good health care system? Hint the GOP.

Right, we have such a terrible healthcare system that people from all over the world fly here to be part of it.

I'm a patient at the Cleveland Clinic, and let me tell you, when you walk into the Cleveland Clinic main campus downtown, you are the one who feels like a foreigner.

Rich people fly in, the poor, not so much. US health care IS quite good, it's the lack of access for your own population that's the problem.

Correct, very much the problem.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The law is not limited to prescriptions. It covers any and all forms of birth control. But even still, why should the federal government force an employer to carry prescription coverage?

Yeah, we should all be like your employer and cut insurance. Thta will work.

Give the Commies power back and that's what you will see more of.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

Good thing for you that viagra is covered!!! Health plan includes things related to your health, like getting pregnant or not.

The only thing you've bought in the past while is boxes of Depends. The XXL size.

Health plans are not what gets anybody pregnant or not.

 

[jc456]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

Good thing for you that viagra is covered!!! Health plan includes things related to your health, like getting pregnant or not.

The only thing you've bought in the past while is boxes of Depends. The XXL size.

Health plans are not what gets anybody pregnant or not.

not at all.^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

The law is not limited to prescriptions. It covers any and all forms of birth control. But even still, why should the federal government force an employer to carry prescription coverage?

that isn't a question relevant only to birth control.

and the fact is they DO provide prescription coverage... and it is relevant because most of us have employer based insurance.

Prescription coverage is a rider, not part of all plans. It's no different than cosmetic surgery or dental.

IF you do have prescription coverage, it will cover birth control pills as it does Viagra. However this idiotic law goes beyond birth control pills. That's kind of the point.

The main point here is that the federal government should not be dictating what kind of coverage an employer carries for it's employees. That's as un-American as it gets; especially since this was nothing more than vote buying in the first place.

It's Un-American for Americans to have health coverage overseen by the Feds?

Overseen and force are way two different things. Whenever you have the two words "force" and "government" in the same paragraph, look out, because you are about to lose some liberty.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But apparently it must be a right if they can sue the Trump administration for discontinuing the mandate that DumBama put in there.

It never fails to amaze me that first the Left fights for so many wrong things, then are amazed they actually turn out bad, then have the nerve to look at others with a straight face of indignation and blame it all on the Right! But then, as the adage goes, liberalism IS a mental disorder, proven exhaustively right here on the board.

These Democrats know exactly what they're doing. They have it all figured out. I call it my Ray from Cleveland's raccoon theory:

You see a hungry raccoon digging in a garbage can, so you go inside the house and get that half of ham you no longer want. You give the ham to the animal and he dines in delight. Now give it about 30 seconds or so and try to take your ham back.

Democrats invented the raccoon theory, although I'm sure they refer to it as something else. Once you give people something, they don't care where it came from, who bought it, all they know is that once you give it to them, it's their property as far as they are concerned.

This is a perfect example of that. DumBama gave the animals something for free, and now they want to bite the hand of the person that dares to take it back.

This is the problem with new entitlements. This is also why we need to keep Democrats out of power as long as possible.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

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If you need to go to a doctor to have him check you out and then give you a prescription for something, it's a medical act. But the real question is, why are you so against people having a good time during sex? Been a while?

I have no problem at all. I just don't want to pay for them to have sex. Just like I don't want you to pay for my boat. It's my fun, my responsibility.

You realize the birth control is a tiny fractional part of a company's health bill, don't you? And you realize also that it shows your unhinged Christian mindset, don't you? Well, probably not.

Well if it's a tiny part of a companies healthcare bill then it's a tiny part for the individual to buy BC themselves.

It's not like they'll delist birth control and then lower the premiums. It won't make a difference. So your reasons can only be ideological.

It does't matter what the reason: ideological, religious, cost, morals.......

If an employer does not want to include BC in his health plan benefits, he doesn't, and government should not be in a position to force him to.

 

[bendog]

Personally, I think every woman participating in the insurance plan I'm on should have a IUD. The rent is too dman High. LOL

 

[francoHFW]

Personally, I would want to see employers get out of the Insurance Business altogether and go to single payer. But as long as we have to get our health insurance through our employers, then we better damned well make sure they aren't using their half-ass bronze age morality to overrule good medical judgement.

The only two people who should decide what treatment is appropriate is the patient and her doctor.

I want government out of insurance. So?

So you're a perfect dupe of the greedy idiot GOP rich. Who are a disgrace along with the party as a whole, Super Dupe.

exactly what is your plan for the rich? you like to talk about them so fking what, what exactly are you going to do? if you can't do anything, stfu about em. they're useless to you then. come up with something to better your fking life you sorry ass. put your house up as collateral and start a business.

is that supposed to be English?

every word is english, yes. which word isn't?

Sounds like you enjoy being a slave to the Rich...

..

 

[francoHFW]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Birth control pills are paid for by insurance. Unless you work for a company that has a moral objection to them. Which, you'd have known when you went to work for the company.

and that, which comes from Hobby Lobby, is the stupidest thing on the planet. no one should have to ask a religious zealot boss for insurance coverage that is already paid for.

but it's always adorable when rightwingnut males try to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

birth control isn't a medical procedure. it's to avoid risk to sexual fun. that's entertainment and insurance doesn't cover that.

Like abortion, birth control is very important to married people which the dupes ignore...