How did Birth Control become a right?

[jillian]

that isn't a question relevant only to birth control.

and the fact is they DO provide prescription coverage... and it is relevant because most of us have employer based insurance.

Prescription coverage is a rider, not part of all plans. It's no different than cosmetic surgery or dental.

IF you do have prescription coverage, it will cover birth control pills as it does Viagra. However this idiotic law goes beyond birth control pills. That's kind of the point.

The main point here is that the federal government should not be dictating what kind of coverage an employer carries for it's employees. That's as un-American as it gets; especially since this was nothing more than vote buying in the first place.

It's Un-American for Americans to have health coverage overseen by the Feds?

Overseen and force are way two different things. Whenever you have the two words "force" and "government" in the same paragraph, look out, because you are about to lose some liberty.

Having government help with health care is losing liberty?

Yep. Ask any employer that paid the fine for not providing insurance, or those who did provide insurance and had to meet government standards. That's right, businesses lost liberty.

maybe they should have paid for insurance.

and it"s not like you employ anyone so why are you whining?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And because of brainwashed ideological idiots in the GOP, we have millions of single mothers on welfare. Brilliant!

And here I thought all those knocked up welfare whores were all from the liberal policies YOU promote!

You want to go back to poor houses and Potter's field s to protect your mega-rich brainwashers from paying their fair share, brainwashed functional moron... LOL

So what is their fair share, and why is it liberals think they are the only people allowed to define what a fair share is?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Prescription coverage is a rider, not part of all plans. It's no different than cosmetic surgery or dental.

IF you do have prescription coverage, it will cover birth control pills as it does Viagra. However this idiotic law goes beyond birth control pills. That's kind of the point.

The main point here is that the federal government should not be dictating what kind of coverage an employer carries for it's employees. That's as un-American as it gets; especially since this was nothing more than vote buying in the first place.

It's Un-American for Americans to have health coverage overseen by the Feds?

Overseen and force are way two different things. Whenever you have the two words "force" and "government" in the same paragraph, look out, because you are about to lose some liberty.

Having government help with health care is losing liberty?

Yep. Ask any employer that paid the fine for not providing insurance, or those who did provide insurance and had to meet government standards. That's right, businesses lost liberty.

maybe they should have paid for insurance.

and it"s not like you employ anyone so why are you whining?

Because I believe in liberty and the least government control over the people possible. I also believe that if anybody is going to ruin this great country, it will be the Cradle-To-Gravers.

 

[Markle]

So you've quoted two guys. And what about the other 4 million people in the US at the time? What did they think?

Ask them.

- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."

- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The US healthcare system is second to none. I think your question is where's my free government healthcare hand out.

Second to none in cost. Second to none in people who can't afford health care. And second to none in the disparity of health care for the rich as oppose to what the poor get.

rich people have more money than I do its not fair where's my government hand out

OMG what a stupid a******, perfect dupe of the greedy idiot GOP. Why are we the only modern country without a Health Care system, Moron? Why does Healthcare here cost twice as much as anywhere else with worse outcomes? Try thinking

Work a job pay for your own healthcare its not rocket science, when are the moochers going to fend for themselves?

They're not Moochers, a hole and you people are idiots greedy idiots. You're spending a lot more money by not supporting free birth control, fool.

Which is the dumbest liberal argument yet. That's like saying the federal government should buy every adult a new car, because if they can't get to work, it will cost us more to have them stay home on welfare.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Birth control pills are paid for by insurance. Unless you work for a company that has a moral objection to them. Which, you'd have known when you went to work for the company.

and that, which comes from Hobby Lobby, is the stupidest thing on the planet. no one should have to ask a religious zealot boss for insurance coverage that is already paid for.

but it's always adorable when rightwingnut males try to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

birth control isn't a medical procedure. it's to avoid risk to sexual fun. that's entertainment and insurance doesn't cover that.

Like abortion, birth control is very important to married people which the dupes ignore...

Then if it's that important, they'll provide themselves birth control.

 

[Markle]

Which is why the government needs to step in and slap these religious nutters.

Please explain exactly how you expect the government to step in and slap down people of faith.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

[Markle]

US health care IS quite good, it's the lack of access for your own population that's the problem.

It is available to everyone.

 

[francoHFW]

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Birth control pills are paid for by insurance. Unless you work for a company that has a moral objection to them. Which, you'd have known when you went to work for the company.

and that, which comes from Hobby Lobby, is the stupidest thing on the planet. no one should have to ask a religious zealot boss for insurance coverage that is already paid for.

but it's always adorable when rightwingnut males try to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

birth control isn't a medical procedure. it's to avoid risk to sexual fun. that's entertainment and insurance doesn't cover that.

Like abortion, birth control is very important to married people which the dupes ignore...

Then if it's that important, they'll provide themselves birth control.

Have you checked the real world lately?

 

[toobfreak]

So what is their fair share, and why is it liberals think they are the only people allowed to define what a fair share is?

I can answer that. Because in the ideal virtual world that liberals need to believe in, they need all others to agree with them because their opinions never hold up to closer examination. They need all others to think like them, otherwise they must put you off with juvenile insults while calling you a child. Change the subject into circuitous word-games when you ask them for verification. Accuse you of idiocy all the while misspelling their sentences with wrong grammar. And claim you are brainwashed by repeating the same, old, tired rhetoric you've already heard passed around from a hundred democrats on NBC, CNN, and CBS.

In the end then, what is "fair" to a liberal then is to always get their way.
To always get the last word in.
To destroy anything that conflicts with their ideology.
To mock anything they cannot destroy. And
To tax into oblivion the real producers so that they can sit at home producing nothing.

 

[John Shaw]

Everybody has birth control, its called don't get pregnant. What a lot of people don't have is self control.

Nevertheless having sex is something most people do for enjoyment. It is not cancer. It is not MND. It is not a broken leg. It is a recreational activity. Why should I pay for your recreational activities?

I am not surprised that you are ignorant about sex and that it is a necessity for good health.

10/08/2003 @ 12:01AM
Is Sex Necessary?

Fans of abstinence had better be sitting down. “Saving yourself” before the big game, the big business deal, the big hoedown or the big bakeoff may indeed confer some moral benefit. But corporeally it does absolutely zip. There’s no evidence it sharpens your competitive edge. The best that modern science can say for sexual abstinence is that it’s harmless when practiced in moderation. Having regular and enthusiastic sex, by contrast, confers a host of measurable physiological advantages, be you male or female. (This assumes that you are engaging in sex without contracting a sexually transmitted disease.)

In one of the most credible studies correlating overall health with sexual frequency, Queens University in Belfast tracked the mortality of about 1,000 middle-aged men over the course of a decade. The study was designed to compare persons of comparable circumstances, age, and health. Its findings, published in 1997 in the British Medical Journal, were that men who reported the highest frequency of orgasm enjoyed a death rate half that of the laggards. Other studies (some rigorous, some less so) purport to show that having sex even a few times a week has an associative or causal relationship with the following:

- Improved sense of smell: After sex, production of the hormone prolactin surges. This in turn causes stem cells in the brain to develop new neurons in the brain’s olfactory bulb, its smell center.

- Reduced risk of heart disease: In a 2001 follow-on to the Queens University study mentioned above, researchers focused on cardiovascular health. Their finding? That by having sex three or more times a week, men reduced their risk of heart attack or stroke by half. In reporting these results, the co-author of the study, Shah Ebrahim Shah Ebrahim , Ph.D., displayed the well-loved British gift for understatement: “The relationship found between frequency of sexual intercourse and mortality is of considerable public interest.”

- Weight loss, overall fitness: Sex, if nothing else, is exercise. A vigorous bout burns some 200 calories–about the same as running 15 minutes on a treadmill or playing a spirited game of squash. The pulse rate, in a person aroused, rises from about 70 beats per minute to 150, the same as that of an athlete putting forth maximum effort. British researchers have determined that the equivalent of six Big Macs can be worked off by having sex three times a week for a year. Muscular contractions during intercourse work the pelvis, thighs, buttocks, arms, neck and thorax. Sex also boosts production of testosterone, which leads to stronger bones and muscles. Men’s Healthmagazine has gone so far as to call the bed the single greatest piece of exercise equipment ever invented.

Is Sex Necessary?

Know what else is good for you? Going to the gym. And I have to pay for that out of my own pocket. People should pay for their own sex lives.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Birth control pills are paid for by insurance. Unless you work for a company that has a moral objection to them. Which, you'd have known when you went to work for the company.

and that, which comes from Hobby Lobby, is the stupidest thing on the planet. no one should have to ask a religious zealot boss for insurance coverage that is already paid for.

but it's always adorable when rightwingnut males try to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

birth control isn't a medical procedure. it's to avoid risk to sexual fun. that's entertainment and insurance doesn't cover that.

Like abortion, birth control is very important to married people which the dupes ignore...

Then if it's that important, they'll provide themselves birth control.

Have you checked the real world lately?

Why yes I have. And what I see of the "real world" is less responsibility. It's like Rush Limbaugh said so many times, if you promote irresponsibility, don't be surprised when you end up with more irresponsible people.

Think of the stupidity in all this:

"I like to have sex, and if my employer doesn't provide me with birth control, I'm just going to have sex without protection and let taxpayers suffer the consequences."

Huh?

If you read the OP (and I know you never do) the article points out that birth control pills range anywhere from four dollars to fifty five dollars a month. Yet if the employer doesn't cover BC pills, a person active in sex can't afford four dollars, or at the most, fifty five dollars?

Of course a working person can afford this. But you leftists have been so successful at making people dependent on the government and others that they don't even consider what they can do for themselves.

 

[Dr Grump]

You realize the birth control is a tiny fractional part of a company's health bill, don't you? And you realize also that it shows your unhinged Christian mindset, don't you? Well, probably not.

Don't care. Fucking has nothing to do with health (unless you have a STD).

Er, I'm an athiest....

 

[Dr Grump]

You got Iraq bombed for no reason, and no extra cost to you. But sure, you want more, like always.

Nothing to do with me. Or Obama for that matter.

 

[Dr Grump]

So you've quoted two guys. And what about the other 4 million people in the US at the time? What did they think?

Ask them.

- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."

- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

Okay. That's two more guys. And the other 4 million?

 

[francoHFW]

and that, which comes from Hobby Lobby, is the stupidest thing on the planet. no one should have to ask a religious zealot boss for insurance coverage that is already paid for.

but it's always adorable when rightwingnut males try to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

birth control isn't a medical procedure. it's to avoid risk to sexual fun. that's entertainment and insurance doesn't cover that.

Like abortion, birth control is very important to married people which the dupes ignore...

Then if it's that important, they'll provide themselves birth control.

Have you checked the real world lately?

Why yes I have. And what I see of the "real world" is less responsibility. It's like Rush Limbaugh said so many times, if you promote irresponsibility, don't be surprised when you end up with more irresponsible people.

Think of the stupidity in all this:

"I like to have sex, and if my employer doesn't provide me with birth control, I'm just going to have sex without protection and let taxpayers suffer the consequences."

Huh?

If you read the OP (and I know you never do) the article points out that birth control pills range anywhere from four dollars to fifty five dollars a month. Yet if the employer doesn't cover BC pills, a person active in sex can't afford four dollars, or at the most, fifty five dollars?

Of course a working person can afford this. But you leftists have been so successful at making people dependent on the government and others that they don't even consider what they can do for themselves.

And you right-wing ideologues and religious nuts have given us millions of single mothers on welfare. Great job! Try accepting reality and stop pandering to the rich and voting against your own interests...

 

[initforme]

Ray do you believe only unemployed people vote democrat? Tell that to the business owners in my neighborhood who vote democrat. Broad generalizations are a sign of ignorance.

 

[initforme]

Any decent healthcare plan covers birth control anyway. So it's really a non issue in the end. Decent healthcare plans rarely if ever decline any healthcare needs.

 

[John Shaw]

Any decent healthcare plan covers birth control anyway. So it's really a non issue in the end. Decent healthcare plans rarely if ever decline any healthcare needs.

No. But people don't like the idea of others being so entitled and outraged over losing something they should be paying for anyway.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"How did Birth Control become a right?"

Women became politically empowered.