How did the Inquisition choose "witches"?

[Feeding Crows]

It's not promoted in the Catholic church by clergy or anyone else. What a horrible thing to say. Do you have some sort of problem with Catholics?

Gosh, where should I start? I just want to know, are you serious?

Here's an easy one to start with...

Almost 1,700 priests and clergy accused of sex abuse are unsupervised

An Associated Press investigation found that those credibly accused are now teachers, coaches, counselors and also live near playgrounds.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Feeding Crows]

Catholic Church child sexual abuse scandal

Everything you need to know about this complex and longstanding global scandal.

www.bbc.com

 

[surada]

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Gosh, where should I start? I just want to know, are you serious?

Here's an easy one to start with...

Almost 1,700 priests and clergy accused of sex abuse are unsupervised

An Associated Press investigation found that those credibly accused are now teachers, coaches, counselors and also live near playgrounds.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm tired of discussing this. It's not just Catholic priests.

 

[Feeding Crows]

333,000 kids!

About 333,000 children were abused within France's Catholic Church, a report finds

The report states that the abuses were committed by some 3,000 priests and other people involved in the church — wrongdoing that Catholic authorities covered up over decades.

www.npr.org

 

[Disir]

There was no feminism in a patriarchal society. The church fought against patriarchy. Many matrons then stood at the head of the church and were queens.

The women in the colonies could hold property in that area.

 

[Indeependent]

I heard that one of the signs was green eyes. Green-eyed women were destroyed. Perhaps this is the reason that for Europe it is now a rare eye color, but in Asia and America it is quite common.

Hot chicks that wouldn't have sex with the local Church leader(s).

 

[Feeding Crows]

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I'm tired of discussing this. It's not just Catholic priests.

No, don't do that. It is all societies. What I'm saying is that the Catholics have an abundance of abuse, because they like it and promote it.

 

[Feeding Crows]

Per capita, they suck more child cock than any other group.

And it's ok with the Vatican.

 

[surada]

The women in the colonies could hold property in that area.

Women had almost no property rights. Read up on dower rights.

 

[surada]

No, don't do that. It is all societies. What I'm saying is that the Catholics have an abundance of abuse, because they like it and promote it.

Don't be vicious. Catholic churches don't promote this and the protestant churches are just as bad.

 

[Feeding Crows]

Go bury your head if you want Surada. That's what you all do.

 

[Disir]

Women had almost no property rights. Read up on dower rights.

They could in Salem. This is why so many rich widows were accused.

Also: Border Disputes - Salem Witch Museum

In Europe it was often used as a tool to settle scores. Additionally, if you had a pot to piss in, some nitwit wanted your pot. Never underestimate the pettiness someone will sink to.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: How did the Inquisition choose "witches"?
SUBTOPIC: Catholics have an abundance of abuse,
※→ Freedom Crows Nest, et al,

Well, this is "absolute" non-sense!

Go bury your head if you want Surada. That's what you all do.

(COMMENT)

I am not affiliated with any Religious Organization, especially the Catholic Organization.
I am agnostic.
.................................................................................................................................-- R​

(My Opinion) Religious organizations have no significantly different incident rate. And as far as the Catholic organization is concerned, there was NO single “cause” of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests that could be identified. But the Catholic Leadership has taken serious steps toward understanding and reducing the problem of sexual abuse of minors by priests.

(My Opinion) And while the Catholic Organization does not hide behind any comparative study against other organizational structures, many of the well known organizational clusters have had sexual abuse scandals of one sort or another.

(My Opinion) The Catholic Leadership is not going to engage in a smear campaign against other social organizations in order to justify their scandal incident rate. In the Catholic organization, one abuse victim is one too many. They want to eliminate such cases and incidents to the extent possible.

I publish this commentary because I find the "bandwagon effect" a disreputable practice.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Feeding Crows]

I like the way you did your post Rocco.

But I'm tired of hearing that it's ok, because others do it. It's no worse in Catholicism than whatever religion you want to use.... that's a lame excuse.

France, alone, has found 333,000 cases of sexual abuse by Catholic priests. And that's just France. Extrapolate that over the world, and there are very many millions of cases of sexual abuse by priests upon minors. Usually little boys. Show me another religion that has such a widespread problem. So this statement, "And as far as the Catholic organization is concerned, there was NO single “cause” of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests that could be identified" is false and very misleading. What does "no single cause" mean? You're not denying that it's happening, you're just saying they can't find a cause. The cause, obviously, is that they forbid priests to marry or have normal consenting sex with adults. Priests are men. They have hormones. The Church attracts homosexual religious men, who think that their lack of interest in women is a sign to become a priest. And then they repress their sexual urges even more, while being exposed to innocent little boys. They want to suck a cock. But it's too risky with adults, so they prey on the easy pickings that won't get them in trouble.


The thing is that the Vatican is well aware of this problem. And contrary to your opinion, they have not done anything to rectify it. When someone is aware of a problem, and they continue to let it happen with no effort to rectify it, they are as guilty as the priests who suck the little boys cocks. And in fact, they made the rules, that promote this situation in the first place.

The bishops do it too. And I'm willing to bet good money that the Pope does it as well. This is the lifestyle that they have known their entire existence. And since God doesn't punish any of them, they probably feel that they're entitled to suck all the little cocks they can. God, by not punishing them, encourages that behavior.

And I don't care if you're agnostic, or atheist. If you don't see the obvious elephant in the room, then there's something wrong with you. Sorry, but that's the truth. You have the same blinders on that religious people have. Deny, deny, deny. It's time to stop denying stuff, and wake up to the reality that going on all over the world.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: How did the Inquisition choose "witches"?
SUBTOPIC: Rebuttal and Opposing View
※→ Freedom Crows Nest, et al,

And I don't care if you're agnostic, or atheist.

(COMMENT)

※→ Freedom Crows Nest: The introductory commentary was not written exclusively for you; but, for all the others (et al) that might read it. To help clarify the source and context; not as an advocate, but as an outside observer.

If you don't see the obvious elephant in the room, then there's something wrong with you. Sorry, but that's the truth.

(COMMENT)

Oh, I understand quite well; I did not miss the Elephant. There is that which is spoken, there is that which is implied, and -- there is that where the context is ambiguous.

You have the same blinders on that religious people have. Deny, deny, deny. It's time to stop denying stuff, and wake up to the reality that going on all over the world.

(COMMENT)

I neither argue against the implication that the Catholic Organization is flawed at the core; nor do I subscribe to that allegation. I merely take a rational view. There is no particular cloak of evil that shrouds the Catholic organization.

France, alone, has found 333,000 cases of sexual abuse by Catholic priests. And that's just France. Extrapolate that over the world, and there are very many millions of cases of sexual abuse by priests upon minors. Usually little boys. Show me another religion that has such a widespread problem.

(COMMENT)

I find it hard to separate expanded, sensationalized, and exaggerated as the free-for-all and pile-on → of stories cascade in on the Catholic Organization.

According to the best available data (which is pretty good, coming from a comprehensive report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in 2004, as well as several other studies), 4 percent of Catholic priests in the U.S. sexually victimized minors during the past half century. No evidence has been published at this time which states this number is higher than clergy from other religious traditions. The 4 percent figure appears lower than school teachers during the same time frame, and certainly less than offenders in the general population of men. Research states that over 20 percent of American women and about 15 percent of American men were sexually violated by an adult when they were children. Sexual victimization is tragically fairly common in the general population, but luckily these numbers have been dropping in recent years.​

SOURCE: Psychology Today, Six Myths About Clergy Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church • There's more fiction than facts in Catholic clergy sexual abuse discussions. Posted March 24, 2010 • Article written by: Thomas G. Plante Ph.D., ABPP​

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So this statement, "And as far as the Catholic organization is concerned, there was NO single “cause” of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests that could be identified" is false and very misleading. What does "no single cause" mean?

(COMMENT)

There is not one action, phenomenon, or condition that can be attributed to the cause of sexual abuse in the ranks of the Catholic Organization.

You can find an example of this source on page 75 (Conclusions), of the published study: The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the United States, 1950-2010

You're not denying that it's happening, you're just saying they can't find a cause.

(COMMENT)

Yes. There is nothing sinister in this position. Any lawyer will tell their client to "stop talking."

The cause, obviously, is that they forbid priests to marry or have normal consenting sex with adults. Priests are men. They have hormones. The Church attracts homosexual religious men, who think that their lack of interest in women is a sign to become a priest. And then they repress their sexual urges even more, while being exposed to innocent little boys. They want to suck a cock. But it's too risky with adults, so they prey on the easy pickings that won't get them in trouble.

(COMMENT)

This is a compound and complex set of assumptions. I do not know of any study, report, investigation, or inquiry that proposes any of these assumptions as undeniable evidence. That is not to say that in prosecutorial closing arguments, you might hear this as part of the means of persuasion.

And contrary to your opinion, they have not done anything to rectify it. When someone is aware of a problem, and they continue to let it happen with no effort to rectify it, they are as guilty as the priests who suck the little boys cocks. And in fact, they made the rules, that promote this situation in the first place.

(COMMENT)

Excerpt from : National Council of Catholic Bishops (NCCB) Action on Sexual Abuse, ibid, Page 77

(Quote) In the years after 1985, the staff counsel for the NCCB worked with diocesan leaders to promote a direct and responsible course of intervention when reports of incidents of sexual abuse were made, with a particular emphasis on psychological treatment for the priest accused of abuse. The NCCB began training programs for vicars, encouraged the development of explicit policies, and distribution strategies for responding to litigation. In addition to being called on to respond individually to cases of their own priests whose sexual behavior involved the abuse of minors, diocesan leaders then had access to information from professionals and academics regarding options in response to this behavior. Overall, prompt psychological treatment for the priest was seen as the best course of action and became the primary intervention. (End Quote)​

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I do not think your statement here is actually accurate. But the report is available.

The bishops do it too. And I'm willing to bet good money that the Pope does it as well. This is the lifestyle that they have known their entire existence. And since God doesn't punish any of them, they probably feel that they're entitled to suck all the little cocks they can. God, by not punishing them, encourages that behavior.

(COMMENT)

That is supposition for which I do not see any evidence in that pattern of behavior. What data can you share with us that supports this statement?

(∑Ω)

I tried hard not to make this an ad Hominem response. None of this is a direct attack against you, but the material offered.

I can see you are passionate about this subject matter. But again, don't get caught up in the fabric of extended, exaggerated, and sensationalized material.

Sticking to my original opening statement I believe the majority of this discussion thread is "absolute" non-sense! And I offer my reasoning for it.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[BreezeWood]

I asked the heavens for a pony and they sent a nun ...

someone called her a witch and they took her to the local tavern and she has not been seen since.

 

[bodecea]

You had to be accused by a credible source. Most of the witch trials and hangings were all prompted on the word of a small group of children, which apparently begun as some sort of game with them and got out of hand.

Not all cases....but Salem for sure....and then snowballed with neighbor getting back at neighbor.

 

[BreezeWood]

news flash - just in ...

Myron Pope, 50, was arrested Thursday by members of the West Alabama Human Trafficking Task Force on a misdemeanor charge of soliciting prostitution, Tuscaloosa police spokesperson Stephanie Taylor said in a statement to NBC News. At the time of his arrest, he was the university's vice president for student life, according to the school.

the inquisitors are alive and well, finding new victims everyday for their cause ...

 

[Stann]

I heard that one of the signs was green eyes. Green-eyed women were destroyed. Perhaps this is the reason that for Europe it is now a rare eye color, but in Asia and America it is quite common.

Charging a person with witchcraft was just one way to get rid of people who thought outside the box and / or lived outside the box. Got to get rid of those different people, what they have my spread and soon everybody will be using their minds.

 

[AsherN]

Nope. It's bad in fundamentalist churches and is reported among Rabbi. I don't know about specifics in the mosque, but I have no doubt it's there as well. Authority coupled with self righteousness is not healthy.

The difference is that synagogue, mosques and Protestant churches hire a f fire their clergy. The Catholic Church has the ability to just move a priest and assign him to a parish, no questions asked. If my Rabbi I'd that, he'd be fired and good luck finding another congregation to hire him.