How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
So Noah didn't have 2 of every animal and there was no flood? :eek:
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
So Noah didn't have 2 of every animal and there was no flood? :eek:
Nope. Jonah didn't live inside the belly of a whale and Eve wasn't the only woman around.
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
So Noah didn't have 2 of every animal and there was no flood? :eek:
Nope. Jonah didn't live inside the belly of a whale and Eve wasn't the only woman around.
So the bible is just a massive load of lying turds?
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.

The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.

Sir Isaac Newton, one of history’s greatest scientists, was not only intensely religious but also believed in alchemical transmutation. Alchemy is, however, fully incorrect given our modern understanding of chemistry, the atom and nucleosynthysis.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalize world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
So Noah didn't have 2 of every animal and there was no flood? :eek:
Nope. Jonah didn't live inside the belly of a whale and Eve wasn't the only woman around.
But Jesus said he lived in the whales belly for 3 days. Compared it to the magic trick he was going to perform 3 days after he died. Did Jesus lie? Or more likely is this a fucking fairy tale?

The only reason it's different than a fairytale is that fairy tales happened "a long time ago in a land far far away" and your story happened 2000 years ago in Israel.
 
I'm not sure how much order god would bring to the universe if he existed. For one thing, he can't seem to make up his mind. First, he creates Adam and Eve, and puts them in paradise, but fails to foresee that they will sin, so he throws them out of paradise. Then he gets pissed and decides to drown almost everyone, but then changes his mind and says that he won't do it again. Then, he leads his chosen people to the promised land, and later just sort of turns his back on them when they go though 5 000 years of extermination, exile, and suffering (I'm glad that I am not one of his favorite people!) Then, he makes all these rules and fills up the old testament with things that will really piss him off if you do them, and then sends Jesus, and tells people to forget about most of the old rules. I don't know whether to eat a fish on Friday or to stone a woman for gathering sticks on Sunday or to shun shellfish and not touch pigskins on Superbowl day...
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
So Noah didn't have 2 of every animal and there was no flood? :eek:


There was probably a worldwide deluge of some sort but that was only the bases for a teaching. The animals that were spared were most likely of the human sort. Not to mention the implications with the arc of the covenant where animals of the human sort are identified as either clean or unclean.
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.

The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.

Sir Isaac Newton, one of history’s greatest scientists, was not only intensely religious but also believed in alchemical transmutation. Alchemy is, however, fully incorrect given our modern understanding of chemistry, the atom and nucleosynthysis.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalize world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.

I happen to agree with what you posted but what does that have to do with the fact that the story of Genesis has nothing to do with the literal meaning of the words used or that both believers and unbelievers alike have failed to perceive the deeper implications that reveal what the story is actually about?
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.

The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.

Sir Isaac Newton, one of history’s greatest scientists, was not only intensely religious but also believed in alchemical transmutation. Alchemy is, however, fully incorrect given our modern understanding of chemistry, the atom and nucleosynthysis.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalize world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.

I happen to agree with what you posted but what does that have to do with the fact that the story of Genesis has nothing to do with the literal meaning of the words used or that both believers and unbelievers alike have failed to perceive the deeper implications that reveal what the story is actually about?
I don't know. What you wrote made me think of that.

“Now, if the book of Genesis is an allegory, then sin is an allegory, the Fall is an allegory and the need for a Savior is an allegory – but if we are all descendants of an allegory, where does that leave us? It destroys the foundation of all Christian doctrine—it destroys the foundation of the gospel.” – Ken Ham
 
In all seriousness, if christians had anything other than the Bible to point to, I might consider that there is a god, but since the entire religion is based strictly on a book, it might as well be as real as the Harry Potter series, as far as I am concerned.
 
"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
So Noah didn't have 2 of every animal and there was no flood? :eek:
Nope. Jonah didn't live inside the belly of a whale and Eve wasn't the only woman around.
So the bible is just a massive load of lying turds?
No. In an age when reading, much less books, was rare, it was a book of parables, guidance for governance, a survival guide and a history book. All cultures have origin/creation stories. I fail to see why you have a conniption over this one but no others.

Creation Stories
 
[QUOTE="sealybobo, post: 14464043, member: 11281"ut Jesus said he lived in the whales belly for 3 days. Compared it to the magic trick he was going to perform 3 days after he died. Did Jesus lie? Or more likely is this a fucking fairy tale?

The only reason it's different than a fairytale is that fairy tales happened "a long time ago in a land far far away" and your story happened 2000 years ago in Israel.[/QUOTE]Now you're the one telling fairy tales. At a minimum you are deliberately mischaracterizing what was said.
 
I actually think that the ppl who decided what to put in the bible did mean for it to be taken literally. As you point out it was a time where most of the natural world was still considered a mystery.The bible filled that void.It's when we look at it trough modern eyes we get something like" they must be joking".
 
"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.

The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.

Sir Isaac Newton, one of history’s greatest scientists, was not only intensely religious but also believed in alchemical transmutation. Alchemy is, however, fully incorrect given our modern understanding of chemistry, the atom and nucleosynthysis.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalize world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.

I happen to agree with what you posted but what does that have to do with the fact that the story of Genesis has nothing to do with the literal meaning of the words used or that both believers and unbelievers alike have failed to perceive the deeper implications that reveal what the story is actually about?
I don't know. What you wrote made me think of that.

“Now, if the book of Genesis is an allegory, then sin is an allegory, the Fall is an allegory and the need for a Savior is an allegory – but if we are all descendants of an allegory, where does that leave us? It destroys the foundation of all Christian doctrine—it destroys the foundation of the gospel.” – Ken Ham

No, if the bible is an allegory it does not destroy Christianity or the foundation of the gospels. it liberates Christianity, vindicates the gospels, and turns its waters made bitter by a literal interpretation into a fine wine, the elixir of life..
 
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
So Noah didn't have 2 of every animal and there was no flood? :eek:
Nope. Jonah didn't live inside the belly of a whale and Eve wasn't the only woman around.
So the bible is just a massive load of lying turds?
No. In an age when reading, much less books, was rare, it was a book of parables, guidance for governance, a survival guide and a history book. All cultures have origin/creation stories. I fail to see why you have a conniption over this one but no others.

Creation Stories
So you agree with me that none of the big things in the bible are true. Good for you.
 
You seem to agree, yet said "not really", so I'm not sure what you are saying.


"Many people believe or disbelieve in the existence of God based on the written words of scripture. Those who fail to comprehend the deeper meaning of the words and subjects, that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, are believing or disbelieving in God based on what scripture is not about."

In other words some people read genesis and believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days. Some people read genesis and do not believe that God created the solar system, the sun the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days.

The truth of the matter is that the story of genesis is not about the creation of the solar system, the sun, the earth, the first plants and animals, etc.in six days, so everyone, believers and disbelievers alike, are believing or disbelieving and arguing with each other over what the story is not about.
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.
So Noah didn't have 2 of every animal and there was no flood? :eek:


There was probably a worldwide deluge of some sort but that was only the bases for a teaching. The animals that were spared were most likely of the human sort. Not to mention the implications with the arc of the covenant where animals of the human sort are identified as either clean or unclean.
So the bible is a load of bs. That's what I've always thought.
 
Bla bla. Modern Humans have been around for 40,000-1 million years. The Jesus story is only one of many religions. Just like evolution happens slowly so does changing religions. We can't imagine a future where no ones a Mormon Muslim Christian or Jew but it's actually probable. Slowly humans are understanding we and our ancestors have been conned for thousands of years. But we don't tell gramma she's stupid we just let her die happy but we won't be going to ancient churches in 1000 years. God willing. We will make up a new religion. Hopefully one that doesn't start off with lies of past visits from this God. They will simply be called believers


What are you talking about? How is any of that a response to what I said?

Some people read Genesis and believe. Some read genesis and disbelieve. You think you are smarter because you don't believe? Think again.

The story is not about the creation of anything. You and believers have both made the same stupid mistake.

The story was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people.

The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.

Sir Isaac Newton, one of history’s greatest scientists, was not only intensely religious but also believed in alchemical transmutation. Alchemy is, however, fully incorrect given our modern understanding of chemistry, the atom and nucleosynthysis.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalize world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.

I happen to agree with what you posted but what does that have to do with the fact that the story of Genesis has nothing to do with the literal meaning of the words used or that both believers and unbelievers alike have failed to perceive the deeper implications that reveal what the story is actually about?
I don't know. What you wrote made me think of that.

“Now, if the book of Genesis is an allegory, then sin is an allegory, the Fall is an allegory and the need for a Savior is an allegory – but if we are all descendants of an allegory, where does that leave us? It destroys the foundation of all Christian doctrine—it destroys the foundation of the gospel.” – Ken Ham

No, if the bible is an allegory it does not destroy Christianity or the foundation of the gospels. it liberates Christianity, vindicates the gospels, and turns its waters made bitter by a literal interpretation into a fine wine, the elixir of life..
It means that the bible isn't even believed to be true by those who follow it. Good Grief!!
 
No, if the bible is an allegory it does not destroy Christianity or the foundation of the gospels. it liberates Christianity, vindicates the gospels, and turns its waters made bitter by a literal interpretation into a fine wine, the elixir of life..
It means that the bible isn't even believed to be true by those who follow it. Good Grief!!
Wow, Mudda. Leap much?

I like Zen stories and Aesop's Fables. They are all teaching tools. Does this mean Buddhists don't believe the wisdom or learn anything from Zen tales? Or that, because several of Aesop's Fables are obviously fabricated (e.g. talking wolves), that no wisdom nor lessons can be learned from them?
 

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