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Never said babies should have THIS virus. If no immunity is possible then why are we using plasma of the infected and recovered to cure the infected and why are so many companies working on a vaccine? Vaccine science depends on immunity from getting a little of the virus. Babies in general, they want them to get sick to build up immune systems. Hiding from this is crazy.There is no evidence immunity from COVID 19 possible and no evidence of doctors wanting babies to have the virus.Because like the common cold, this will keep coming back. Key is to strengthen the immune system not hide from it. Reason doctors want babies and toddlers to get ill and such is to build up their immune systems. It doesn't stop with adulthood. Cure cannot be worse than the disease and now it seems like it is. Why are we making 900+ suffer for the benefit of at max 5...this is per 1000.Why not DO BOTH? Trace it, by testing, and isolating those with it, rinse and repeat....... and open the economy in the safest way possible, as per the CDC guidelines?Let's open up and see what happens. Cannot hide from it. So even if 60mil hide, 270mil would be out and about. I am OK with that and I doubt 60mil would hide when the death rate at worst will be less than 5 per 1000. Media lies. Math does not.Do you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
Those are different diseases. COVID is a type of cold. We don't have one for a COVID. Hell we don't have one for AIDS and it has been 40 years. People get the measles? What vaccine are you talking about. People will die anyway. Economy does not have to and the word is nonsensical. One word.Why bother with a small pox vaccine, or the flu vaccine, or typhoid and typhus shots if traveling elsewhere, or measels etc etc etc?Because like the common cold, this will keep coming back. Key is to strengthen the immune system not hide from it. Reason doctors want babies and toddlers to get ill and such is to build up their immune systems. It doesn't stop with adulthood. Cure cannot be worse than the disease and now it seems like it is. Why are we making 900+ suffer for the benefit of at max 5...this is per 1000.Why not DO BOTH? Trace it, by testing, and isolating those with it, rinse and repeat....... and open the economy in the safest way possible, as per the CDC guidelines?Let's open up and see what happens. Cannot hide from it. So even if 60mil hide, 270mil would be out and about. I am OK with that and I doubt 60mil would hide when the death rate at worst will be less than 5 per 1000. Media lies. Math does not.Do you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
Just let everyone die that was gonna die from these plagues, and everyone else who was not going to die anyway survive..... survival of the fittest..eh?
Then why bother having any medicine, or any doctors, for any thing.....? These were conditions their bodies were not able to handle, and so be it....let them die, while twiddling our thumbs?
Sorry, that is one of the most inhumane and non sensicle, and waxed over cold statements I have ever heard someone say or even believe.....
God gave us brains, and damn good ones at that, to USE THEM.
This is a moral issue and a moral issue that challenges selfishness and greed over fundamental ethical and religious tenets. We are deciding if we can kill the old and vulnerable in exchange for comfort, pleasure, and material advantages and privileges.Not everyone is a paranoid hypochondriac so Im sure people will be out and about. however *Im sure there is a small percentage that will cower under their beds wearing their face masks even in their own homes and the country will be better off having not to deal with these idiotsDo you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
Why would they shut down again? Lockdown only helps to flatten the curve. Hospitals are well prepared now, a lot more of us have had it than we know, 85% have mild or no symptoms and we have proven treatments now. If you want to cower for the next six months, be my guest but we have NO PROOF that lockdowns prevent deaths only that they prolong the time until you get it and die.Lockdown forever, eh? Great solution.The number of deaths will depend on how many states stop lockdown and length of time before they remain on lockdown.
NO ONE has said to lock down the economy FOREVER....that's right wing BUNK!
Some states may be able to open up, once they meet the CDC criteria for opening up......
but if states with still increasing cases and deaths open up, and it spreads like wildfire in their states without any check on it, they will all have to shut down AGAIN, adding a double whammy to the great depression2.....
we need to open, but open with a plan to combat continued or accelerated spread.....
the best of both worlds..... and wise!
Ahhh...so now because the math says we should reopen we go to a moral issue, which is 100% subjective. So you want to have 900+ suffer to save fewer than five...this is per 1000. That is morality? WOW!This is a moral issue and a moral issue that challenges selfishness and greed over fundamental ethical and religious tenets. We are deciding if we can kill the old and vulnerable in exchange for comfort, pleasure, and material advantages and privileges.Not everyone is a paranoid hypochondriac so Im sure people will be out and about. however *Im sure there is a small percentage that will cower under their beds wearing their face masks even in their own homes and the country will be better off having not to deal with these idiotsDo you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
Not nearly as many as heart disease or cancerWe have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
You are very obviously grossly misinformed, delusional and in denial.Why would they shut down again? Lockdown only helps to flatten the curve. Hospitals are well prepared now, a lot more of us have had it than we know, 85% have mild or no symptoms and we have proven treatments now. If you want to cower for the next six months, be my guest but we have NO PROOF that lockdowns prevent deaths only that they prolong the time until you get it and die.Lockdown forever, eh? Great solution.The number of deaths will depend on how many states stop lockdown and length of time before they remain on lockdown.
NO ONE has said to lock down the economy FOREVER....that's right wing BUNK!
Some states may be able to open up, once they meet the CDC criteria for opening up......
but if states with still increasing cases and deaths open up, and it spreads like wildfire in their states without any check on it, they will all have to shut down AGAIN, adding a double whammy to the great depression2.....
we need to open, but open with a plan to combat continued or accelerated spread.....
the best of both worlds..... and wise!
Well, if you know it's out there you need to start YESTERDAY to fix what you're able -- like a poor diet which seems to be the real reason most die of this virus (obesity, diabetes)one can control their diet etc...no one controls this virus i am sorry you dont see the difference
Math doesn't lie. Current death toll is less than 1 per 1000. How am I delusional? If the death toll increases by 2.5x we would still have fewer than 5 deaths per 1000. 82% of the deaths are people over 65 and 94% are those who have at least one preexisting condition. Is that enough to have 30mil on unemployment? Not my call.You are very obviously grossly misinformed, delusional and in denial.Why would they shut down again? Lockdown only helps to flatten the curve. Hospitals are well prepared now, a lot more of us have had it than we know, 85% have mild or no symptoms and we have proven treatments now. If you want to cower for the next six months, be my guest but we have NO PROOF that lockdowns prevent deaths only that they prolong the time until you get it and die.Lockdown forever, eh? Great solution.The number of deaths will depend on how many states stop lockdown and length of time before they remain on lockdown.
NO ONE has said to lock down the economy FOREVER....that's right wing BUNK!
Some states may be able to open up, once they meet the CDC criteria for opening up......
but if states with still increasing cases and deaths open up, and it spreads like wildfire in their states without any check on it, they will all have to shut down AGAIN, adding a double whammy to the great depression2.....
we need to open, but open with a plan to combat continued or accelerated spread.....
the best of both worlds..... and wise!
Math doesn't say we should reopen. Your thesis is immoral and you do not want to admit it because of your cowardice. You are weak and unwilling to defend the vulnerable in your society. Most members of your society are showing far more courage than you and your ilk.Ahhh...so now because the math says we should reopen we go to a moral issue, which is 100% subjective. So you want to have 900+ suffer to save fewer than five...this is per 1000. That is morality? WOW!This is a moral issue and a moral issue that challenges selfishness and greed over fundamental ethical and religious tenets. We are deciding if we can kill the old and vulnerable in exchange for comfort, pleasure, and material advantages and privileges.Not everyone is a paranoid hypochondriac so Im sure people will be out and about. however *Im sure there is a small percentage that will cower under their beds wearing their face masks even in their own homes and the country will be better off having not to deal with these idiotsDo you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
Math is math. It doesn't say anything. I believe, MY OPINION, is that we should reopen. If people believe that making 900+ suffer to save fewer than 5...per 1000 then of course we should remain on lockdown. You have resorted to personal insults as you cannot dispute facts. That is the epitome of "Your ilk"...the illogical, the uneducated, the cowardly.Math doesn't say we should reopen. Your thesis is immoral and you do not want to admit it because of your cowardice. You are weak and unwilling to defend the vulnerable in your society. Most members of your society are showing far more courage than you and your ilk.Ahhh...so now because the math says we should reopen we go to a moral issue, which is 100% subjective. So you want to have 900+ suffer to save fewer than five...this is per 1000. That is morality? WOW!This is a moral issue and a moral issue that challenges selfishness and greed over fundamental ethical and religious tenets. We are deciding if we can kill the old and vulnerable in exchange for comfort, pleasure, and material advantages and privileges.Not everyone is a paranoid hypochondriac so Im sure people will be out and about. however *Im sure there is a small percentage that will cower under their beds wearing their face masks even in their own homes and the country will be better off having not to deal with these idiotsDo you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
so, at the rate you describe, that means killing off an additional 1.7 million Americans without a thought or concern on your part.....?Math is math. It doesn't say anything. I believe, MY OPINION, is that we should reopen. If people believe that making 900+ suffer to save fewer than 5...per 1000 then of course we should remain on lockdown. You have resorted to personal insults as you cannot dispute facts. That is the epitome of "Your ilk"...the illogical, the uneducated, the cowardly.Math doesn't say we should reopen. Your thesis is immoral and you do not want to admit it because of your cowardice. You are weak and unwilling to defend the vulnerable in your society. Most members of your society are showing far more courage than you and your ilk.Ahhh...so now because the math says we should reopen we go to a moral issue, which is 100% subjective. So you want to have 900+ suffer to save fewer than five...this is per 1000. That is morality? WOW!This is a moral issue and a moral issue that challenges selfishness and greed over fundamental ethical and religious tenets. We are deciding if we can kill the old and vulnerable in exchange for comfort, pleasure, and material advantages and privileges.Not everyone is a paranoid hypochondriac so Im sure people will be out and about. however *Im sure there is a small percentage that will cower under their beds wearing their face masks even in their own homes and the country will be better off having not to deal with these idiotsDo you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
You have determined in your opinion a finite number of deaths are acceptable in exchange for material and comfort from being open instead of in lockdown. That is a moral decision that tests your moral character.Math is math. It doesn't say anything. I believe, MY OPINION, is that we should reopen. If people believe that making 900+ suffer to save fewer than 5...per 1000 then of course we should remain on lockdown. You have resorted to personal insults as you cannot dispute facts. That is the epitome of "Your ilk"...the illogical, the uneducated, the cowardly.Math doesn't say we should reopen. Your thesis is immoral and you do not want to admit it because of your cowardice. You are weak and unwilling to defend the vulnerable in your society. Most members of your society are showing far more courage than you and your ilk.Ahhh...so now because the math says we should reopen we go to a moral issue, which is 100% subjective. So you want to have 900+ suffer to save fewer than five...this is per 1000. That is morality? WOW!This is a moral issue and a moral issue that challenges selfishness and greed over fundamental ethical and religious tenets. We are deciding if we can kill the old and vulnerable in exchange for comfort, pleasure, and material advantages and privileges.Not everyone is a paranoid hypochondriac so Im sure people will be out and about. however *Im sure there is a small percentage that will cower under their beds wearing their face masks even in their own homes and the country will be better off having not to deal with these idiotsDo you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
There's no way to tell. All deaths are now virus deaths. If a man is hit by a bus it's a Chinese virus death. We won't really know until we can stop the democrats from lying. Fat chance of that.So, no guesses on the deaths from corona virus by the end of this year?
How about by the end of July, any guesses on that....?
What was the estimate based on our gvt's scientists projections?
The CDC does NOT count COVID deaths, unless the person has been tested positive to the test.....There's no way to tell. All deaths are now virus deaths. If a man is hit by a bus it's a Chinese virus death. We won't really know until we can stop the democrats from lying. Fat chance of that.So, no guesses on the deaths from corona virus by the end of this year?
How about by the end of July, any guesses on that....?
What was the estimate based on our gvt's scientists projections?
Nope. Not true at all. If we multiply our death rate by 2.5x....which is extreme, we lose ~160k Americans. Many of whom would have died anyway. 85% of the people have mild to no symptoms. Your case is 10x my exaggerated case. That rate is .048%. Your rate is 0.52%. Vastly different.so, at the rate you describe, that means killing off an additional 1.7 million Americans without a thought or concern on your part.....?Math is math. It doesn't say anything. I believe, MY OPINION, is that we should reopen. If people believe that making 900+ suffer to save fewer than 5...per 1000 then of course we should remain on lockdown. You have resorted to personal insults as you cannot dispute facts. That is the epitome of "Your ilk"...the illogical, the uneducated, the cowardly.Math doesn't say we should reopen. Your thesis is immoral and you do not want to admit it because of your cowardice. You are weak and unwilling to defend the vulnerable in your society. Most members of your society are showing far more courage than you and your ilk.Ahhh...so now because the math says we should reopen we go to a moral issue, which is 100% subjective. So you want to have 900+ suffer to save fewer than five...this is per 1000. That is morality? WOW!This is a moral issue and a moral issue that challenges selfishness and greed over fundamental ethical and religious tenets. We are deciding if we can kill the old and vulnerable in exchange for comfort, pleasure, and material advantages and privileges.Not everyone is a paranoid hypochondriac so Im sure people will be out and about. however *Im sure there is a small percentage that will cower under their beds wearing their face masks even in their own homes and the country will be better off having not to deal with these idiotsDo you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
waxed cold.... the Bible describes you!
You are the one obviously lying. Show us a link where a person run over by a bus is listed as a COVID-19 victim.There's no way to tell. All deaths are now virus deaths. If a man is hit by a bus it's a Chinese virus death. We won't really know until we can stop the democrats from lying. Fat chance of that.So, no guesses on the deaths from corona virus by the end of this year?
How about by the end of July, any guesses on that....?
What was the estimate based on our gvt's scientists projections?
Material comfort?You have determined in your opinion a finite number of deaths are acceptable in exchange for material and comfort from being open instead of in lockdown. That is a moral decision that tests your moral character.Math is math. It doesn't say anything. I believe, MY OPINION, is that we should reopen. If people believe that making 900+ suffer to save fewer than 5...per 1000 then of course we should remain on lockdown. You have resorted to personal insults as you cannot dispute facts. That is the epitome of "Your ilk"...the illogical, the uneducated, the cowardly.Math doesn't say we should reopen. Your thesis is immoral and you do not want to admit it because of your cowardice. You are weak and unwilling to defend the vulnerable in your society. Most members of your society are showing far more courage than you and your ilk.Ahhh...so now because the math says we should reopen we go to a moral issue, which is 100% subjective. So you want to have 900+ suffer to save fewer than five...this is per 1000. That is morality? WOW!This is a moral issue and a moral issue that challenges selfishness and greed over fundamental ethical and religious tenets. We are deciding if we can kill the old and vulnerable in exchange for comfort, pleasure, and material advantages and privileges.Not everyone is a paranoid hypochondriac so Im sure people will be out and about. however *Im sure there is a small percentage that will cower under their beds wearing their face masks even in their own homes and the country will be better off having not to deal with these idiotsDo you actually believe that if you opened the economy right now, things would be hunky dory, and things would go back to normal with booming sales? People are just going to go out and spend like crazy, and attend theaters and stadiums and restaurants like nothing ever happened?We have had 33000 deaths in just the past two weeks, 57000 or so in the past month....
What do you think the number will be of the deaths from this virus by the end of the year, based on what you know now of how the States are handling their reopenings, and how some states are not affected by it, while other states are swarming with it, and medical discoveries?
My guess is 100k by the end of July and another 100k by the end of the year, so probably about 200k in total by the end of the year....even if a vaccine is available by the end of the year and if there are drugs created that helps recovery time.
It could be higher... I dunno?
As of yesterday morning.
Deaths: 61,200 - of which, btw 29% is in NY (I believe those numbers include the Flu deaths and NY didn't allocate correctly as they are such an outlier but let's assume 61,200 is accurate).
Population: 330mil. Probably more due to the non documented but we will go with that #.
Deaths per 1000: Less than 2.
Let's say I assume 2.5x the deaths or 154,250. That number moves to less than 5 deaths per 1000 persons. We all agree it is a war and in war unfortunately you sacrifice the few to save the many. Why are we sacrificing 900+ people to save 2 or at worst 5?
It'll be quite a while before people will feel safe, and feel safe that their mom or dad or grandmom or grand dad, or sister with Asthma, or husband fighting cancer, etc., won't be killed by it
This great depression is with us for at least 5 years to recover from this pandemic and economic catastrophe.... maybe less, if a vaccine is working, and our gvt could actually pull off getting enough vaccines and chemicals, test tubes, shot casings and needles to actually administer it, unlike their total FAILURE on the virus test kits from the get go, let alone get people to accept and take the vaccination to protect the nation....
And the rest of the world would have to recover from it too, that we trade and sell our goods and agriculture to....
This is going to be a slower recovery than I believe you think.....
If we could give the public, a better assurance that the virus isn't just out there spreading like wildfire, it could bring consumer confidence up a little... but that would take great efforts of testing and contact tracing and isolating only those that were sick, and identifying new hot spots etc.....
And I have little confidence, that the Trump administration with the states, can accomplish such... though I have hope of such....
There are 60 million adults, that are at risk....the elderly and those younger with medical conditions.... let alone the ones that just get it and die with no pre existing or at risk, conditions.
the economy ain't coming back with any kind of roar, with all those big spenders in the 60 million adults at risk group, feeling the need to shelter, because no one is doing anything to curb the virus and identify where it is at and what areas it is moving through.....
