How Much Prison Time Should You Get For Having An Abortion?

[MikeK]

I have a radically different opinion on how birth-control law should be applied:

The law should hold that abortion is mandatory in any situation wherein the male parent is not known and certified as responsible and that the means for properly raising and caring for the expected child is not readily available.

Simply stated, illegitimate births and births where the means for properly raising a child are not readily available should be punishable offenses.

A woman who becomes pregnant must be able to show how the expected baby will be properly parented and cared for, or she must be able to identify the father in situations wherein such means cannot be shown.

 

[Bush92]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Life...on your conscious for being a whore.

 

[Kittymom1026]

I am not in favor of abortion. I do feel that it is a wide and courageous choice to use contraceptives so a young married woman who doesn't want kids doesn't ever have to consider getting an abortion. I know of a few young married women who got their tubes tied very young to avoid having kids. They focused on their careers first. They determined that didn't want children so they did the brave thing.

A Navy doctor refused to tie my tubes at 26 and two living children.

When was this? I know a few women who had this happen to them. They had to have their husbands sign a consent form first. This was back in the early 70's. I hope it's not that way now.

1984 Naval Hospital Camp Lejeune

Still pretty early. So glad things have changed. Oh, and I'm in NC, so familiar with Camp LeJeune. My S/O was in the Navy for 7 years and in the Gulf War. He has had to fight tooth and nail to get his disability and benefits, but finally did. His ship was anchored on the Saudi coast and we released sarin gas over the waters. It drifted down to his ship and entered the water supply, and the air supply. It coated the entire ship. Because it was 300 miles away, the Navy didn't acknowledge it to be a hazard. He now has a presumptive that finally the VA recognizes.

I guess this is what the pro-lifers want. More babies born to be fodder for the endless wars that the government wants. They bleat about wanting them to be born because that is their right, but then support them going off to be maimed and killed in a senseless war. That's what the GOP wants. I'm of the Vietnam generation and I still can remember all of the coffins draped in the flag coming off the planes. I'd rather they be disposed of in the womb than be returned in a coffin after being massacred in a foreign land. Call me crazy!

Someone, including yself has already proven that abortion is not infantcide, so please stop embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.

and yes, I voted for him twice and would again if there was any possibility for him to run again. So, FO!!

Clean off your specs, old timer.

This is what I said:
Did you vote for the man who endorsed infanticide, Hussein Obama???

Bet you did.

And he supported infanticide.

what infanticide?

in·fan·ti·cide
inˈfan(t)əˌsīd/
noun
noun: infanticide; plural noun: infanticides

1. 1.
   the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.
   • the practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
2. 2.
   a person who kills an infant, especially their own child.

You have to be born to be an infant nutcase

Another moron hiding behind a dictionary definition, demanding the right to kill another human being.

I am not in favor of abortion. I do feel that it is a wide and courageous choice to use contraceptives so a young married woman who doesn't want kids doesn't ever have to consider getting an abortion. I know of a few young married women who got their tubes tied very young to avoid having kids. They focused on their careers first. They determined that didn't want children so they did the brave thing.

A Navy doctor refused to tie my tubes at 26 and two living children.

I am not in favor of abortion. I do feel that it is a wide and courageous choice to use contraceptives so a young married woman who doesn't want kids doesn't ever have to consider getting an abortion. I know of a few young married women who got their tubes tied very young to avoid having kids. They focused on their careers first. They determined that didn't want children so they did the brave thing.

A Navy doctor refused to tie my tubes at 26 and two living children.

When was this? I know a few women who had this happen to them. They had to have their husbands sign a consent form first. This was back in the early 70's. I hope it's not that way now.

1984 Naval Hospital Camp Lejeune

 

[SaxxyBlues]

To debate abortion is like a thief in the night. You invade the "home,". Of another person, make some judgements about the home, decide it feels good too steal the reputation of that person and promote yourself by doing so. And I know I harp this a lot, but you project life onto embryos, they are not people. Your projections are wrong. I am for abortion in the earliest stage possible. Late Term abortions should be outlawed. Unfortunately, it costs more and are located further away from large cities. But hey, would it not be better to terminate a pregnancy as an embryo instead of seven months old?

 

[Penelope]

The issue has never been about the woman’s body. That’s the lie you hide behind. It’s about the child’s constitutional rights to life.

An embryo is not a child. A sperm is not a child. An egg is not a child.
There are no "rights" offered to a growing mass of cells entirely dependent on the mother.
It would die immediately outside the womb.
And for the record, I am opposed to abortion after the first trimester unless the life of the mother is at risk.

Here, you'll enjoy this

An embryo with human dna is not life? Lol.

Life can grow in a petri dish. Bacteria, viruses, fungi are all living, they don't create infants though.

A life in a womb is not a petri dish. We do know your tactics in referring to a child as petri dish in order to vanquish your conscience so you will not have to think about the morbid atrocities of abortion.

Get a life and stay out of other peoples lives. You Texans have a nose problem. Bacteria, Fungus and Viruses are living and alive. A fetus is like a virus, it needs a host to live.

 

[jasonnfree]

Oh no, gotta put up with more of this republicans pretending to be right to life. It's just an issue they use to run on since they usually don't have that much to offer if you're not wealthy. Guns, right to life, and what else? Trying to outspend corporate democrats on the military and viciously taking an ax to any programs that help the poor.

 

[Vastator]

The issue has never been about the woman’s body. That’s the lie you hide behind. It’s about the child’s constitutional rights to life.

An embryo is not a child. A sperm is not a child. An egg is not a child.
There are no "rights" offered to a growing mass of cells entirely dependent on the mother.
It would die immediately outside the womb.
And for the record, I am opposed to abortion after the first trimester unless the life of the mother is at risk.

Here, you'll enjoy this

An embryo with human dna is not life? Lol.

Life can grow in a petri dish. Bacteria, viruses, fungi are all living, they don't create infants though.

A life in a womb is not a petri dish. We do know your tactics in referring to a child as petri dish in order to vanquish your conscience so you will not have to think about the morbid atrocities of abortion.

A fetus is like a virus, it needs a host to live.

Quoted for posterity. Lest we forget...

 

[Penelope]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

And as always pointed out, getting rid of Roe v Wade, the child killing decision, will simply allow states to decide by voting on wether killing babies is okay......you may just have to go to a different state to kill you baby in the future...

And as always pointed out, by getting rid of Roe v. Wade, the women's choice decision, will simply allow states to tell women whether they can control their own bodies or not.

And could choose to prosecute women- and doctors- or having abortions- even if they go to another state that allows women to control their own bodies.

"...tell women whether they can control their own bodies or not."


The unborn is a separate and distinct human being....not her body, you dolt.

Whether a 2 week old fetus is a separate and distinct human being can be debated.

But the woman that that fetus is in- that is certainly a distinct human being- without any debate- and you want to mandate what every woman can do with her body.

"Whether a 2 week old fetus is a separate and distinct human being can be debated."

Of course it can't.
Seems government schooling never taught you biology.


There are a number of clear biological facts, and all sorts of legal precedents, that easily refute the claim that the new human being is simply part of the mother's body.



1. Start with DNA: An individual's body parts all share the same genetic code. If the unborn child were actually a part of the mother's body, the unborn's cells would have the same genetic code as the cells of the mother. This is not the case. Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body.




1. In many cases, the blood type of the unborn child is different than the blood type of the mother. Since one body cannot function with two different blood types, this is clearly not the mother's blood.




1. In half of all pregnancies, the unborn child is a male, meaning that even the sex of the child is different from the mother.




1. As Randy Alcorn states in his book Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments, "A Chinese zygote implanted in a Swedish woman will always be Chinese, not Swedish, because his identity is based on his genetic code, not on that of the body in which he resides."

2. It is possible for a fetus to die while the mother lives, and it is possible for the mother to die while the fetus lives. This could not be true if the mother and child were simply one person.


Enough to eviscerate the Leftist baby-killers?

Apparently you never took biology.

 

[mikegriffith1]

And as always pointed out, getting rid of Roe v Wade, the child killing decision, will simply allow states to decide by voting on wether killing babies is okay......you may just have to go to a different state to kill you baby in the future...

And as always pointed out, by getting rid of Roe v. Wade, the women's choice decision, will simply allow states to tell women whether they can control their own bodies or not.

And could choose to prosecute women- and doctors- or having abortions- even if they go to another state that allows women to control their own bodies.

"...tell women whether they can control their own bodies or not."


The unborn is a separate and distinct human being....not her body, you dolt.

Whether a 2 week old fetus is a separate and distinct human being can be debated.

But the woman that that fetus is in- that is certainly a distinct human being- without any debate- and you want to mandate what every woman can do with her body.

"Whether a 2 week old fetus is a separate and distinct human being can be debated."

Of course it can't.
Seems government schooling never taught you biology.


There are a number of clear biological facts, and all sorts of legal precedents, that easily refute the claim that the new human being is simply part of the mother's body.



1. Start with DNA: An individual's body parts all share the same genetic code. If the unborn child were actually a part of the mother's body, the unborn's cells would have the same genetic code as the cells of the mother. This is not the case. Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body.




1. In many cases, the blood type of the unborn child is different than the blood type of the mother. Since one body cannot function with two different blood types, this is clearly not the mother's blood.




1. In half of all pregnancies, the unborn child is a male, meaning that even the sex of the child is different from the mother.




1. As Randy Alcorn states in his book Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments, "A Chinese zygote implanted in a Swedish woman will always be Chinese, not Swedish, because his identity is based on his genetic code, not on that of the body in which he resides."

2. It is possible for a fetus to die while the mother lives, and it is possible for the mother to die while the fetus lives. This could not be true if the mother and child were simply one person.


Enough to eviscerate the Leftist baby-killers?

Apparently you never took biology.

Uh, apparently YOU never took biology. You must be kidding. You are 30 years behind the times.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Gosh, it is amazing to see how ignorant some liberals are regarding science and the development of the baby in the womb. They are 30 or 40 years behind the times on this issue.

Unborn Children

Embryology and Science Denial

How Science Supports the Pro-Life Position

Science Is Giving the Pro-Life Movement a Boost - The Atlantic

Fact Sheet: Science of Fetal Pain | Charlotte Lozier Institute

 

[SaxxyBlues]

Who the hell reads that stuff. It's all opinion. No real truth to any of it. Just cannon fodder. The Scientists are the same ones that invented vacuum aspiration.

 

[whitehall]

How much time should you get for selling the body parts of aborted humans? Amazingly the powerful politically connected (taxpayer funded) Planned Parenthood,with the assistance of the criminal conspiracy in the MSM, managed to turn the case around and blame the investigative reporters who broke the story.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There is a huge disparity when it comes the termination of a pregnancy.

If a man assaults a woman and she has a miscarriage. He will be arrested, charged with murder, and receive prison time if convicted.

But if that same woman has an abortion. She will be hailed as a hero by the liberals for terminating the baby. ....

You do understand that isn't a disparity right?

Its only a disparity for people who are disingenuous --- so lets put your money where your mouth is -- Do you want women to get the death penalty for having an abortion? If not, then shut the fuck up with the disparity bullshit.

It's not?

I shoot a pregnant woman and kill her and the baby, do I not get charged with two homicides?

If she goes to Planned Parenthood and has an abortion, why should she not be charged with a homicide?

Again, there is a reason you dick suckers don't come out and demand women who have abortions be sentenced to death -- because you do understand there is NOT a disparity between someone murdering a woman and her child versus a woman making the decision herself to terminate the pregnancy...

If you are saying these are the same things -- why is there such a reluctance to call for the death penalty for all of those involved with the abortion?

In both cases a child dies. There is no difference.

I want to know why a child would be aborted when so many couples would love to adopt a baby.

Yours is the tired old fall back solution. Truth: Healthy white babies only. Plus, it is so expensive to adopt that many simply can't afford it.

Simple solution: change the law. Make it less expensive.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A Texan who values and respects life.

Only until it slides out the chute.

After that it can go fuck itself for all you people care.

Why am I paying for their irresponsible behavior? Maybe they should think about their actions before they start screwing.

Who said you were paying for anything? Have you heard of the Hyde Amendment? You pay for NOTHING!

We pay Planned Lack of being a Parenthood with our tax dollars. They perform abortions. We are paying for abortions.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Give it some deep thought and ask yourself who benefits most from abortion. The shallow opinion is that poor women benefit because it's one less mouth to feed but that ain't necessarily true. Women who undergo abortion are often plagued with PTSD symptoms for the rest of their lives. Liberal media types would never focus on it because it's mostly liberal men who benefit from abortion when their future responsibilities are ended at the stroke of a scalpel. The racist aspect is also noteworthy. Black women are in the minority but they are most likely to have abortions. The godmother of abortion, Margaret Sanger, was a proponent of a theory called "eugenics" and so were liberal democrats like Wilson and socialist nationalists like Hitler. It's possible that white racist democrats keep the abortion mill running as a subtle form of ethnic cleansing.

You are dead wrong. I know women who have had abortions and the one emotion they all said they had was relief. Years later, not one of them has any regrets. You're just spouting the same RW propaganda that has been debunked over and over.

Let's examine that:

Is there any argument for the "right" of a woman to authorize the killing of her unborn baby that would not apply to her authorizing the similar slaughter of a year old that she was breastfeeding?


'cause....if there isn't, and one is murder, so, then, is the other.

That's called logic.

Caution:
....if this is the first time you've tried to think you could wind up with an aneurysm!

A fetus is not the same as an already born child. Please tell me you're not that dense. Oh wait! I've read your comments and you are! My bad!

Murder by definition is the killing of an already born person. A simple Google search would have told you that.

And logic is not something you're familiar with, trust me.

I've already proven that the unborn is a separate and unique individual human being.

So....you're fall-back is that you can kill it up until it leaves the birth canal.

Yet this vapid excuse assuages your conscience.



Pray tell.....what would become of the 'foetus' if you didn't kill it?

Show me where I said that because I never did. I am in complete agreement about the time limit of viability and always have been.

Lets calm down for a minute. The only reason a woman would have a late term abortion is because something is terribly wrong with the baby. And yes, by that time, it is a baby. Those babies would be born only to die minutes or hours later, and some screaming in pain. What parent would want to put their child through that? Have you seen the pictures of babies born with half a head and no brain? It is the humane thing to do to stop this before it starts. It is an agonizing decision for those parents and not one they take lightly. Seriously, do you think a pregnant woman goes by a clinic at 6 months pregnant and says to herself...."Oh wait! I knew there was something I've been meaning to do!" Please tell me you don't.

True story..... I know a nurse who worked for my GYN. She also worked part time in the PP clinic. One day, two little girls came in. The oldest had brought her 10 year old pregnant sister with her. she was pregnant by their father. They had no money, so the doctor did the abortion for free. He also reported the father and he is still in prison. What would you have recommended for this baby.?

Why would they imprison a doctor for reporting a incestuous child molestor?

I know that's not what you meant, but it is what you wrote. Ask yourself to whom the "he" is referring. The last person mentioned is the doctor, so the doctor becomes the "he" in both cases. You cannot use a pronoun twice in the same sentence to refer to two different people.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am not in favor of abortion. I do feel that it is a wide and courageous choice to use contraceptives so a young married woman who doesn't want kids doesn't ever have to consider getting an abortion. I know of a few young married women who got their tubes tied very young to avoid having kids. They focused on their careers first. They determined that didn't want children so they did the brave thing.

A Navy doctor refused to tie my tubes at 26 and two living children.

Try that sentence again. It does not make sense as written.

 

[Political Junky]

One wonders how many abortions Trump has paid for.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am not in favor of abortion. I do feel that it is a wide and courageous choice to use contraceptives so a young married woman who doesn't want kids doesn't ever have to consider getting an abortion. I know of a few young married women who got their tubes tied very young to avoid having kids. They focused on their careers first. They determined that didn't want children so they did the brave thing.

A Navy doctor refused to tie my tubes at 26 and two living children.

When was this? I know a few women who had this happen to them. They had to have their husbands sign a consent form first. This was back in the early 70's. I hope it's not that way now.

1984 Naval Hospital Camp Lejeune

Still pretty early. So glad things have changed. Oh, and I'm in NC, so familiar with Camp LeJeune. My S/O was in the Navy for 7 years and in the Gulf War. He has had to fight tooth and nail to get his disability and benefits, but finally did. His ship was anchored on the Saudi coast and we released sarin gas over the waters. It drifted down to his ship and entered the water supply, and the air supply. It coated the entire ship. Because it was 300 miles away, the Navy didn't acknowledge it to be a hazard. He now has a presumptive that finally the VA recognizes.

I guess this is what the pro-lifers want. More babies born to be fodder for the endless wars that the government wants. They bleat about wanting them to be born because that is their right, but then support them going off to be maimed and killed in a senseless war. That's what the GOP wants. I'm of the Vietnam generation and I still can remember all of the coffins draped in the flag coming off the planes. I'd rather they be disposed of in the womb than be returned in a coffin after being massacred in a foreign land. Call me crazy!

Clean off your specs, old timer.

This is what I said:
Did you vote for the man who endorsed infanticide, Hussein Obama???

Bet you did.

And he supported infanticide.

what infanticide?

in·fan·ti·cide
inˈfan(t)əˌsīd/
noun
noun: infanticide; plural noun: infanticides

1. 1.
   the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.
   • the practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
2. 2.
   a person who kills an infant, especially their own child.

You have to be born to be an infant nutcase

Another moron hiding behind a dictionary definition, demanding the right to kill another human being.

I am not in favor of abortion. I do feel that it is a wide and courageous choice to use contraceptives so a young married woman who doesn't want kids doesn't ever have to consider getting an abortion. I know of a few young married women who got their tubes tied very young to avoid having kids. They focused on their careers first. They determined that didn't want children so they did the brave thing.

A Navy doctor refused to tie my tubes at 26 and two living children.

I am not in favor of abortion. I do feel that it is a wide and courageous choice to use contraceptives so a young married woman who doesn't want kids doesn't ever have to consider getting an abortion. I know of a few young married women who got their tubes tied very young to avoid having kids. They focused on their careers first. They determined that didn't want children so they did the brave thing.

A Navy doctor refused to tie my tubes at 26 and two living children.

When was this? I know a few women who had this happen to them. They had to have their husbands sign a consent form first. This was back in the early 70's. I hope it's not that way now.

1984 Naval Hospital Camp Lejeune

I knew you were full of shit when you first posted, Now we have proof positive!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One wonders how many abortions Trump has paid for.

Considering the taxes he has paid, I would imagine that could constitute a significant portion of Planned Parenthood's budget, so probably millions.

 

[Rando Caucasian]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Ah, you faggots must be scared to be shilling this canard.
The ones who should be worried about murder charges are the abortionists. End of discussion.