How much Socialism should be given to Florida?

[BULLDOG]

It's called governance, not socialism.

Can you name a government program that you consider to be socialist?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Socialism is often depicted as evil and is claimed to harm its recipients more than it helps them. The tragic damage that has befallen Florida will take years and billions of dollars to recover from. Federal government traditionally is there to help those recover who would never recover without help. Most would say it's our government's place to do as it has always done and immediately come to their aid. This is a conundrum. Government aid in this case can only be described as socialism. A major portion of the MAGA universe has determined socialism is evil. How do hard right-wing members justify the dichotomy of expending all that socialism across Florida.

Bootstraps, hopes and prayers. Everything else is SOCIALISM!

 

[LeftofLeft]

Socialism is often depicted as evil and is claimed to harm its recipients more than it helps them. The tragic damage that has befallen Florida will take years and billions of dollars to recover from. Federal government traditionally is there to help those recover who would never recover without help. Most would say it's our government's place to do as it has always done and immediately come to their aid. This is a conundrum. Government aid in this case can only be described as socialism. A major portion of the MAGA universe has determined socialism is evil. How do hard right-wing members justify the dichotomy of expending all that socialism across Florida.

Federal Government helping a state or region during a natural disaster is not Socialism. It is the mission of the Federal Government to help the US Taxpayer. Socialism is when Democrat politicos use the Federal Government as a means to effect its vision of a more Socialist economy. For example, funding a program to “end poverty” with the condition that the mother keeps having children and the father not not be present. That’s Socialism.

 

[Meathead]

Can you name a government program that you consider to be socialist?

EBT, AFDC and anything you guys mooch off the taxpayers without paying taxes yourself.

 

[BULLDOG]

Federal Government helping a state or region during a natural disaster is not Socialism. It is the mission of the Federal Government to help the US Taxpayer. Socialism is when Democrat politicos use the Federal Government as a means to effect its vision of a more Socialist economy. For example, funding a program to “end poverty” with the condition that the mother keeps having children and the father not not be present. That’s Socialism.

Just to be clear, you aren't opposed to the government helping people. That in itself doesn't constitute socialism? At what point does it become socialism? Be specific.
Elaborate on what you call a more socialist economy. What does "a more socialist economy" mean specifically. We can never get anywhere talking in generalities. I want/need to know exactly what you mean when you use those words.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Just to be clear, you aren't opposed to the government helping people. That in itself doesn't constitute socialism? At what point does it become socialism? Be specific.
Elaborate on what you call a more socialist economy. What does "a more socialist economy" mean specifically. We can never get anywhere talking in generalities. I want/need to know exactly what you mean when you use those words.

I was ver specific delineating between the Federal Government helping people and the Federal Government coming up with a conditional based entitlement program.

 

[whitehall]

The Founding Fathers listed the duty of the federal government in two sentences. "To provide for the common defense". "To promote the general welfare". Disaster relief isn't socialism, it's the duty of the federal, state and local government.

 

[BULLDOG]

I was ver specific delineating between the Federal Government helping people and the Federal Government coming up with a conditional based entitlement program.

Conditional based program? Do you think everyone should be able to receive the same benefits regardless of their condition? Should a person in Florida who had no damage from the storm receive the same benefits as someone whose home was destroyed?

 

[Mashmont]

Socialism is often depicted as evil and is claimed to harm its recipients more than it helps them. The tragic damage that has befallen Florida will take years and billions of dollars to recover from. Federal government traditionally is there to help those recover who would never recover without help. Most would say it's our government's place to do as it has always done and immediately come to their aid. This is a conundrum. Government aid in this case can only be described as socialism. A major portion of the MAGA universe has determined socialism is evil. How do hard right-wing members justify the dichotomy of expending all that socialism across Florida.

The three jobs of government according to conservatives are: 1) to protect its citizens' physical safety 2) to maintain and enforce laws 3) to maintain infrastructure.
Florida and the hurricane fall under #1. Why is this hard for you people?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Socialism is often depicted as evil and is claimed to harm its recipients more than it helps them. The tragic damage that has befallen Florida will take years and billions of dollars to recover from. Federal government traditionally is there to help those recover who would never recover without help. Most would say it's our government's place to do as it has always done and immediately come to their aid. This is a conundrum. Government aid in this case can only be described as socialism. A major portion of the MAGA universe has determined socialism is evil. How do hard right-wing members justify the dichotomy of expending all that socialism across Florida.

How much 'means of production' ??

What relevance has that got to do with Florida?

 

[BULLDOG]

The three jobs of government according to conservatives are: 1) to protect its citizens' physical safety 2) to maintain and enforce laws 3) to maintain infrastructure.
Florida and the hurricane fall under #1. Why is this hard for you people?

Home ownership is a major determining factor for crime and poverty. Seems that increasing ownership would fall under that same #1 as above. Agreed?

 

[Mashmont]

Home ownership is a major determining factor for crime and poverty. Seems that increasing ownership would fall under that same #1 as above. Agreed?

No. That's not related to imminent physical danger.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Conditional based program? Do you think everyone should be able to receive the same benefits regardless of their condition? Should a person in Florida who had no damage from the storm receive the same benefits as someone whose home was destroyed?

You are conflating conditional vs eligible for any level of support. Try again.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Socialism is often depicted as evil and is claimed to harm its recipients more than it helps them. The tragic damage that has befallen Florida will take years and billions of dollars to recover from. Federal government traditionally is there to help those recover who would never recover without help. Most would say it's our government's place to do as it has always done and immediately come to their aid. This is a conundrum. Government aid in this case can only be described as socialism. A major portion of the MAGA universe has determined socialism is evil. How do hard right-wing members justify the dichotomy of expending all that socialism across Florida.

Of all the arguments by government lovers, this one may not be the dumbest, but it is in the top ten.

Florida could easily take care of itself if its citizens were not forced to pay so much in taxes to our bloated federal government. That they take federal aid after a disaster does not mean that they are hypocrits if they don't want to pay for National Public (Democrat) Radio, or for family-destroying multi-generation welfare programs.

 

[sartre play]

Socialism is often depicted as evil and is claimed to harm its recipients more than it helps them. The tragic damage that has befallen Florida will take years and billions of dollars to recover from. Federal government traditionally is there to help those recover who would never recover without help. Most would say it's our government's place to do as it has always done and immediately come to their aid. This is a conundrum. Government aid in this case can only be described as socialism. A major portion of the MAGA universe has determined socialism is evil. How do hard right-wing members justify the dichotomy of expending all that socialism across Florida.

Too things I would point out.
ONE we should always help our neighbor.
TWO Project 2025 says that States should pay for there own disasters, no gov help.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Federal Government helping a state or region during a natural disaster is not Socialism. It is the mission of the Federal Government to help the US Taxpayer. Socialism is when Democrat politicos use the Federal Government as a means to effect its vision of a more Socialist economy. For example, funding a program to “end poverty” with the condition that the mother keeps having children and the father not not be present. That’s Socialism.

Thats nice and convenient.

 

[Zincwarrior]

its called humanitarian aid that all americans pay into,,

So socialism!

 

[progressive hunter]

So socialism!

nope

 

[Zincwarrior]

figures a selfish person like you would expect something in return for helping other people,,

Socialist!

 

[pknopp]

The Founding Fathers listed the duty of the federal government in two sentences. "To provide for the common defense". "To promote the general welfare". Disaster relief isn't socialism, it's the duty of the federal, state and local government.

Helping the poor is promoting the general welfare of the people also.