How To Achieve Single Payer Health Care

[LoneLaugher]

Choice:

Every person in this nation gets care.

70% of the people get care because 30% don’t want to pay taxes for it. They go without.

Cost is the same overall for both.

Which one do you select?

My choice is C, where you don't try to define the debate parameters by your hypotheticals and straw men.

You have a negative aura. Does anyone actually like you?

 

[Defiant1]

Choice:

Every person in this nation gets care.

70% of the people get care because 30% don’t want to pay taxes for it. They go without.

Cost is the same overall for both.

Which one do you select?

My choice is C, where you don't try to define the debate parameters by your hypotheticals and straw men.

You have a negative aura. Does anyone actually like you?

I like her.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Choice:

Every person in this nation gets care.

70% of the people get care because 30% don’t want to pay taxes for it. They go without.

Cost is the same overall for both.

Which one do you select?

My choice is C, where you don't try to define the debate parameters by your hypotheticals and straw men.

You have a negative aura. Does anyone actually like you?

I like her.

Yeah? What color are her eyes? Quick!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Please don't get ahead of me and think you know where I am going and what I desire.

So I guess I should state up front what I desire.

I believe you should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance. You should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and haggle for what you want. If you don't like what they are offering, you can hang up and call another company.

This would provide you with the maximum freedom and, more importantly, the maximum bargaining leverage.

Instead, you are hostage to whatever your employer offers you, if you are lucky enough to have an employer who offers health insurance.

In turn, your employer is hostage to whatever insurance companies are allowed to sell them insurance in their geographical area.

In turn, the insurance companies are hostage to whatever health care providers are allowed to operate in their geographical region.

The whole system is a mess, thanks to government interference in the market.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors!

How's that been working for ya?

If you were able to buy your health insurance the same way you buy auto, home, and life insurance, you would get long time customer discounts, and bundle discounts, and all the other discounts you enjoy from those other forms of insurance.

As it is now, every time you change your job you start all over from scratch.

Bogus.

But...the Republican Party has demonstrated they have absolutely no intention of ever putting a plan on the table which will provide you maximum freedom, maximum leverage, and lower costs.

The Republican Party has totally abdicated their role in solving our health care problems. To distract you from this fact, they attack the other guys' plans. They cast blame rather than do the hard work. They are critics rather than problem solvers. Whiners rather than helpers.

So what good are they?

Oh, by the way. When Republicans talk about buying health insurance "across state lines", they are being very misleading. They are not talking about being able to buy health insurance from any company in the country.

Thought you should know that.


The road to serfdom, next post.

I'll Trump you by saying If you don't want to buy health insurance you don't have to. Or if you're very healthy and want one with a large deductible, you should be able to purchase that too.

I agree. If you want to not buy health insurance, you should have the right to be that stupid.

But we are long past those days. Long past. The Republicans have completely abdicated and left you out to dry.

Can you choose not to buy car insurance?

To cover your own car? Sure.

If you have a type of health insurance that covers the damage you do to other people, I'd like to hear about it. Otherwise, it's not comparable.

You make no sense.

Geez, do I need to break out the fucking crayons and draw you a picture?

You can absolutely choose not to buy car insurance to cover your own car. Probably a dumb choice, but your choice nevertheless. The only car insurance that is mandatory is the insurance that covers OTHER people's property in the event that you damage it.

Health insurance only covers YOU. It doesn't cover other people against you damaging them. Therefore, the two things are not comparable.

And you're an imbecile to need that explained.

 

[Defiant1]

Choice:

Every person in this nation gets care.

70% of the people get care because 30% don’t want to pay taxes for it. They go without.

Cost is the same overall for both.

Which one do you select?

My choice is C, where you don't try to define the debate parameters by your hypotheticals and straw men.

You have a negative aura. Does anyone actually like you?

I like her.

Yeah? What color are her eyes? Quick!

Pretty.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Please don't get ahead of me and think you know where I am going and what I desire.

So I guess I should state up front what I desire.

I believe you should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance. You should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and haggle for what you want. If you don't like what they are offering, you can hang up and call another company.

This would provide you with the maximum freedom and, more importantly, the maximum bargaining leverage.

Instead, you are hostage to whatever your employer offers you, if you are lucky enough to have an employer who offers health insurance.

In turn, your employer is hostage to whatever insurance companies are allowed to sell them insurance in their geographical area.

In turn, the insurance companies are hostage to whatever health care providers are allowed to operate in their geographical region.

The whole system is a mess, thanks to government interference in the market.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors!

How's that been working for ya?

If you were able to buy your health insurance the same way you buy auto, home, and life insurance, you would get long time customer discounts, and bundle discounts, and all the other discounts you enjoy from those other forms of insurance.

As it is now, every time you change your job you start all over from scratch.

Bogus.

But...the Republican Party has demonstrated they have absolutely no intention of ever putting a plan on the table which will provide you maximum freedom, maximum leverage, and lower costs.

The Republican Party has totally abdicated their role in solving our health care problems. To distract you from this fact, they attack the other guys' plans. They cast blame rather than do the hard work. They are critics rather than problem solvers. Whiners rather than helpers.

So what good are they?

Oh, by the way. When Republicans talk about buying health insurance "across state lines", they are being very misleading. They are not talking about being able to buy health insurance from any company in the country.

Thought you should know that.


The road to serfdom, next post.

We already lived with republican health care policy. We had it before Obamacare.

Which caused 45 thousand Americans to die every year because they couldn't get health insurance.

The republican health care policy is to kick as many sick people off insurance as possible so that premiums stay low for young healthy people. The insurance companies could kick you off your policy for any reason using the "preexisting condition" clause. Brought to us by republicans.

The problem with that is that sick people die. Everyone gets older and sick at sometime in their life.

Medical bills were the leading cause of bankruptcy in those years. We saw boxes at check stands in grocery stores asking for change because someone has cancer and can't pay for the treatment. Or we saw pancake breakfasts or raffles to raise money to pay for someone's treatment so they won't die.

Meanwhile rich people could get all the help they needed or wanted.

The problem with letting "the market" determine rates is that those who need health care most have to pay rates that are so high, they can't afford insurance.

The problem with buying insurance from any state is that not all states have the same laws for insurance coverage. Insurance companies will go to those states so they can charge the most for the least coverage. While people die because they don't have the proper coverage. Or we the tax payer gets to pay the bill.

The problem with health care is insurance companies. All they do is pay the bills. Why give someone your money for decades for that company to take at least 30% off the top for themselves then when you need to use that money you paid them to pay your medical bills, they deny the claim and kick you off the policy. It's YOUR money. Yet they can legally deny you the right to pay your medical bills with it.

I say remove the insurance companies. Or highly regulate them so that they don't continue to cause people to die while the insurance company gets filthy rich.

What an utter load of horseshit. You think that half-assed, overly micro-managed mess before Obamacare was what Republicans wanted?

And these canards about "45 thousand died", etc. that you're spouting. Does the DNC just bypass the media and upload directly to your brain, a la The Matrix, or what?

Maybe back up your points with sources. You sound bitter.

Yeah, sorry, tossing out an incoherent bunch of lies and then demanding that I deliver a point-by-point rebuttal as though it were even remotely serious or intelligent ain't gonna happen.

Maybe your butt buddy should try making points that aren't cut-and-paste talking points.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The more government in health care, the more expensive and worse health care gets.

We should do the exact opposite.

We should start all over, and put the health insurers totally out of business.

If you want to consume 4 Big Macs and a carmel oreo frappe at McDonald's.... then YOU pay for YOUR "health care" because I am not liable for your 400 pound fat rear....

Fine bit that's not possible.

The healthy will always pay for the sick, with or without insurance.

If you did get govt out of health care, insurers would go right back to bankrupting people. Its the one thing they're good at.

 

[Rustic]

I wish the Republicans would offer something. I'm more in the governmental single payer camp but what you posted looks like it could be viable and at the very least we could have an actual debate about ideas rather than just shitting on the other guy, like the post above mine.

Perhaps if you tried actually LOOKING to see what the GOP is offering, rather than just taking the media's word that there isn't anything, you might be a bit more informed and the debate could take place.

I have been on this forum since 2011. All through the Obama years right up to the present day, I have asked the following question countless times, "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!"

Not once has anyone ever been able to present a GOP replacement. Not once.

Boy, did it piss them off when I asked that question, though!


The GOP "repeal and replace" is a massive hoax.

The problem with Obamacare, it made people pay for other peoples shit... all along the people doing paying could in no way afford it. And the motherfuckering progressives think that’s ok...
Fuck your God damn collective...

 

[gipper]

I wish the Republicans would offer something. I'm more in the governmental single payer camp but what you posted looks like it could be viable and at the very least we could have an actual debate about ideas rather than just shitting on the other guy, like the post above mine.

Perhaps if you tried actually LOOKING to see what the GOP is offering, rather than just taking the media's word that there isn't anything, you might be a bit more informed and the debate could take place.

I have been on this forum since 2011. All through the Obama years right up to the present day, I have asked the following question countless times, "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!"

Not once has anyone ever been able to present a GOP replacement. Not once.

Boy, did it piss them off when I asked that question, though!


The GOP "repeal and replace" is a massive hoax.

While I agree with that statement, Obamacare was a massive hoax as well. I'm not sure UHC will come, I think it is serving exactly the folks it was meant to serve.

The system was working better than it is now, and was working better than it ever will after a repeal. (As far as working for the people, not for the interests it is really intended to serve. As it is constructed now? It is serving the TRUE stake holders perfectly well.) Don't look for it to change.

The whole reason that they went in to do a reform was for corporate competition. Healthcare was a massive liability for global corporations domiciled here in the US.

The big banks, tech firms, and big three all wanted to off load their costs to make them more competitive with their European and Asian competitors who have their health care costs picked up by the government.

All of these interests converged with big pharma and the health insurance companies to lobby the pols in DC to make Americans shoulder more of the costs so American companies could be more competitive.

Obamacare had nothing to do with covering more people to make healthcare more affordable, the elites number one goal was to make American business and industry more competitive and Wall Street more profitable off the back of middle class tax payers. Folks are fooling themselves if they think the government actually cares about the common folks or gives a shit about the little people. It works for huge financial interests. If it's not good for the economy, it won't get done.

And all these idiots bought it, and are still buying the lies. . . .

So true.

Obama was completely owned by big corporations but somehow this is unknown to most Americans, even though it is clearly obvious. He was owned just like W, Bubba, HW...and most of the rest.

This is the REAL American Way.

I suspect no amount of corruption, lies, and criminality by the ruling class, will ever wake up the vast majority of Americans to the ruse being played on them. I guess it proves the effectiveness of propaganda by the government and it's media.

 

[hadit]

Please don't get ahead of me and think you know where I am going and what I desire.

So I guess I should state up front what I desire.

I believe you should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance. You should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and haggle for what you want. If you don't like what they are offering, you can hang up and call another company.

This would provide you with the maximum freedom and, more importantly, the maximum bargaining leverage.

Instead, you are hostage to whatever your employer offers you, if you are lucky enough to have an employer who offers health insurance.

In turn, your employer is hostage to whatever insurance companies are allowed to sell them insurance in their geographical area.

In turn, the insurance companies are hostage to whatever health care providers are allowed to operate in their geographical region.

The whole system is a mess, thanks to government interference in the market.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors!

How's that been working for ya?

If you were able to buy your health insurance the same way you buy auto, home, and life insurance, you would get long time customer discounts, and bundle discounts, and all the other discounts you enjoy from those other forms of insurance.

As it is now, every time you change your job you start all over from scratch.

Bogus.

But...the Republican Party has demonstrated they have absolutely no intention of ever putting a plan on the table which will provide you maximum freedom, maximum leverage, and lower costs.

The Republican Party has totally abdicated their role in solving our health care problems. To distract you from this fact, they attack the other guys' plans. They cast blame rather than do the hard work. They are critics rather than problem solvers. Whiners rather than helpers.

So what good are they?

Oh, by the way. When Republicans talk about buying health insurance "across state lines", they are being very misleading. They are not talking about being able to buy health insurance from any company in the country.

Thought you should know that.


The road to serfdom, next post.

I'll Trump you by saying If you don't want to buy health insurance you don't have to. Or if you're very healthy and want one with a large deductible, you should be able to purchase that too.

I agree. If you want to not buy health insurance, you should have the right to be that stupid.

But we are long past those days. Long past. The Republicans have completely abdicated and left you out to dry.

Can you choose not to buy car insurance?

Yes, two ways in VA.

1. Don't drive a car.
2. Pay the Uninsured Motorist tax. That covers your liability but not your repairs. It's $500/year.

 

[hadit]

Medicare for all achieves it. Takes the profit motive out of health care. The primary motivation needs to be keeping people healthy and caring for them when they are not.

You still have to make it worth the effort to become a doctor. They typically don't start actually earning much of anything until they're over 30.

 

[healthmyths]

Please don't get ahead of me and think you know where I am going and what I desire.

So I guess I should state up front what I desire.

I believe you should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance. You should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and haggle for what you want. If you don't like what they are offering, you can hang up and call another company.

This would provide you with the maximum freedom and, more importantly, the maximum bargaining leverage.

Instead, you are hostage to whatever your employer offers you, if you are lucky enough to have an employer who offers health insurance.

In turn, your employer is hostage to whatever insurance companies are allowed to sell them insurance in their geographical area.

In turn, the insurance companies are hostage to whatever health care providers are allowed to operate in their geographical region.

The whole system is a mess, thanks to government interference in the market.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors!

How's that been working for ya?

If you were able to buy your health insurance the same way you buy auto, home, and life insurance, you would get long time customer discounts, and bundle discounts, and all the other discounts you enjoy from those other forms of insurance.

As it is now, every time you change your job you start all over from scratch.

Bogus.

But...the Republican Party has demonstrated they have absolutely no intention of ever putting a plan on the table which will provide you maximum freedom, maximum leverage, and lower costs.

The Republican Party has totally abdicated their role in solving our health care problems. To distract you from this fact, they attack the other guys' plans. They cast blame rather than do the hard work. They are critics rather than problem solvers. Whiners rather than helpers.

So what good are they?

Oh, by the way. When Republicans talk about buying health insurance "across state lines", they are being very misleading. They are not talking about being able to buy health insurance from any company in the country.

Thought you should know that.


The road to serfdom, next post.

There are over 2,700 health insurance companies in the USA.
Almost all have to abide by state insurance regulations INCLUDING something you obviously never heard of, "Medical Loss Ratio" (MLR).
Now almost ALL health insurance companies profit/non-profit must have per state laws "RESERVES" to pay future claims.
Prior to Obamacare the MLR was As of 2007, the average US medical loss ratio for private insurers was 81% (a 19% profit and expense ratio).
This meant the company paid out 81% of every dollar in claims leaving 19% for expenses, salaries, facilities, and profit.
Out of the profit they create "reserves".

Ignorant people that created Obamacare raised the MLR to 85%!
https://www.mymedicalshopper.com/bl...ical-loss-ratio-mlr-health-insurance-premiums

So what is the solution?
Well READ what physicians say create over 30 to 34% waste in the health industry.
The major element to health care costs and most Americans don't want these people reined in because they might not win the malpractice lottery!

 

[debbiedowner]

Please don't get ahead of me and think you know where I am going and what I desire.

So I guess I should state up front what I desire.

I believe you should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance. You should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and haggle for what you want. If you don't like what they are offering, you can hang up and call another company.

This would provide you with the maximum freedom and, more importantly, the maximum bargaining leverage.

Instead, you are hostage to whatever your employer offers you, if you are lucky enough to have an employer who offers health insurance.

In turn, your employer is hostage to whatever insurance companies are allowed to sell them insurance in their geographical area.

In turn, the insurance companies are hostage to whatever health care providers are allowed to operate in their geographical region.

The whole system is a mess, thanks to government interference in the market.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors!

How's that been working for ya?

If you were able to buy your health insurance the same way you buy auto, home, and life insurance, you would get long time customer discounts, and bundle discounts, and all the other discounts you enjoy from those other forms of insurance.

As it is now, every time you change your job you start all over from scratch.

Bogus.

But...the Republican Party has demonstrated they have absolutely no intention of ever putting a plan on the table which will provide you maximum freedom, maximum leverage, and lower costs.

The Republican Party has totally abdicated their role in solving our health care problems. To distract you from this fact, they attack the other guys' plans. They cast blame rather than do the hard work. They are critics rather than problem solvers. Whiners rather than helpers.

So what good are they?

Oh, by the way. When Republicans talk about buying health insurance "across state lines", they are being very misleading. They are not talking about being able to buy health insurance from any company in the country.

Thought you should know that.


The road to serfdom, next post.

There are over 2,700 health insurance companies in the USA.
Almost all have to abide by state insurance regulations INCLUDING something you obviously never heard of, "Medical Loss Ratio" (MLR).
Now almost ALL health insurance companies profit/non-profit must have per state laws "RESERVES" to pay future claims.
Prior to Obamacare the MLR was As of 2007, the average US medical loss ratio for private insurers was 81% (a 19% profit and expense ratio).
This meant the company paid out 81% of every dollar in claims leaving 19% for expenses, salaries, facilities, and profit.
Out of the profit they create "reserves".

Ignorant people that created Obamacare raised the MLR to 85%!
https://www.mymedicalshopper.com/bl...ical-loss-ratio-mlr-health-insurance-premiums

So what is the solution?
Well READ what physicians say create over 30 to 34% waste in the health industry.
The major element to health care costs and most Americans don't want these people reined in because they might not win the malpractice lottery!View attachment 194074

Ignorant people that created Obamacare raised the MLR to 85%! Only for group insurance, 80% for individual.

 

[MisterBeale]

I wish the Republicans would offer something. I'm more in the governmental single payer camp but what you posted looks like it could be viable and at the very least we could have an actual debate about ideas rather than just shitting on the other guy, like the post above mine.

Perhaps if you tried actually LOOKING to see what the GOP is offering, rather than just taking the media's word that there isn't anything, you might be a bit more informed and the debate could take place.

I have been on this forum since 2011. All through the Obama years right up to the present day, I have asked the following question countless times, "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!"

Not once has anyone ever been able to present a GOP replacement. Not once.

Boy, did it piss them off when I asked that question, though!


The GOP "repeal and replace" is a massive hoax.

While I agree with that statement, Obamacare was a massive hoax as well. I'm not sure UHC will come, I think it is serving exactly the folks it was meant to serve.

The system was working better than it is now, and was working better than it ever will after a repeal. (As far as working for the people, not for the interests it is really intended to serve. As it is constructed now? It is serving the TRUE stake holders perfectly well.) Don't look for it to change.

The whole reason that they went in to do a reform was for corporate competition. Healthcare was a massive liability for global corporations domiciled here in the US.

The big banks, tech firms, and big three all wanted to off load their costs to make them more competitive with their European and Asian competitors who have their health care costs picked up by the government.

All of these interests converged with big pharma and the health insurance companies to lobby the pols in DC to make Americans shoulder more of the costs so American companies could be more competitive.

Obamacare had nothing to do with covering more people to make healthcare more affordable, the elites number one goal was to make American business and industry more competitive and Wall Street more profitable off the back of middle class tax payers. Folks are fooling themselves if they think the government actually cares about the common folks or gives a shit about the little people. It works for huge financial interests. If it's not good for the economy, it won't get done.

And all these idiots bought it, and are still buying the lies. . . .

So true.

Obama was completely owned by big corporations but somehow this is unknown to most Americans, even though it is clearly obvious. He was owned just like W, Bubba, HW...and most of the rest.

This is the REAL American Way.

I suspect no amount of corruption, lies, and criminality by the ruling class, will ever wake up the vast majority of Americans to the ruse being played on them. I guess it proves the effectiveness of propaganda by the government and it's media.

. . . and you'll notice, everyone ignored my post, as they always do when I post about the medical health care debacle in this nation.

My sister is a top HR manager for GM. She makes trips to DC to discuss these issues, I talk with her occasionally.

Both the left and the right actually think they are going to get something for nothing, it is a laugh. The rich and the corporations are going to pay less and less over time, which means, in the end, consumers will pay more and more.

There will be no, "solutions." Folks don't want to hear this though, they want to hear that there will be solutions and that their costs will come down, or that they will rise as slow as the rest of other costs. And when they don't? They just want to blame the other party rather than economic realities.

Duh, we have a for profit healthcare system that was engineered that way at the turn of the last century. We specialize in treatments, not cures.

smh. So dumb.

 

[dblack]

Is auto insurance the best model? Yeah it’s not going up as fast as healthcare, but I don’t hear people talking about how great a deal car insurance is...

Analysis | Auto insurance rates have skyrocketed — and in ways that are wildly unfair

Depends on what kind of auto insurance. Auto liability insurance is mandated, in most states, so NO, that's not a good 'model'.

But I think you're missing the point. Government shouldn't be dictating any particular 'model' for health care. It should protect each individual's freedom to find a solution that works for them.

 

[dblack]

Medicare for all achieves it. Takes the profit motive out of health care. The primary motivation needs to be keeping people healthy and caring for them when they are not.

Oh for fuck's sake. Profit is not the problem with health care. What do you want, an all volunteer health care corps?

 

[dblack]

Please don't get ahead of me and think you know where I am going and what I desire.

So I guess I should state up front what I desire.

I believe you should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance. You should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and haggle for what you want. If you don't like what they are offering, you can hang up and call another company.

This would provide you with the maximum freedom and, more importantly, the maximum bargaining leverage.

Instead, you are hostage to whatever your employer offers you, if you are lucky enough to have an employer who offers health insurance.

In turn, your employer is hostage to whatever insurance companies are allowed to sell them insurance in their geographical area.

In turn, the insurance companies are hostage to whatever health care providers are allowed to operate in their geographical region.

The whole system is a mess, thanks to government interference in the market.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors!

How's that been working for ya?

If you were able to buy your health insurance the same way you buy auto, home, and life insurance, you would get long time customer discounts, and bundle discounts, and all the other discounts you enjoy from those other forms of insurance.

As it is now, every time you change your job you start all over from scratch.

Bogus.

But...the Republican Party has demonstrated they have absolutely no intention of ever putting a plan on the table which will provide you maximum freedom, maximum leverage, and lower costs.

The Republican Party has totally abdicated their role in solving our health care problems. To distract you from this fact, they attack the other guys' plans. They cast blame rather than do the hard work. They are critics rather than problem solvers. Whiners rather than helpers.

So what good are they?

Oh, by the way. When Republicans talk about buying health insurance "across state lines", they are being very misleading. They are not talking about being able to buy health insurance from any company in the country.

Thought you should know that.


The road to serfdom, next post.

you started off good - bashing an issue and the circumstances around it.

then had to go become your usual REPUBLICANS SUCK self.

if insurance is a work benefit, great. i have it. if i didn't then great, i could go buy it.

the problem becomes doctors have to charge more to pay for "insurance" and "insurance' will only pay up to X value. it's a bullshit stupid game that isn't really centered around right or left, just stupid.

we don't have a medical problem in this country, we have an insurance one.

The point isn't that Republicans suck. It's that they are currently in control of Congress and they're not doing a goddamn thing to help. Mad King Donald has done more, by neutering the mandate, than Congress. But that hasn't done away with ACA, it's only made it more likely to create problems.

 

[healthmyths]

I wish the Republicans would offer something. I'm more in the governmental single payer camp but what you posted looks like it could be viable and at the very least we could have an actual debate about ideas rather than just shitting on the other guy, like the post above mine.

Perhaps if you tried actually LOOKING to see what the GOP is offering, rather than just taking the media's word that there isn't anything, you might be a bit more informed and the debate could take place.

I have been on this forum since 2011. All through the Obama years right up to the present day, I have asked the following question countless times, "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!"

Not once has anyone ever been able to present a GOP replacement. Not once.

Boy, did it piss them off when I asked that question, though!


The GOP "repeal and replace" is a massive hoax.

While I agree with that statement, Obamacare was a massive hoax as well. I'm not sure UHC will come, I think it is serving exactly the folks it was meant to serve.

The system was working better than it is now, and was working better than it ever will after a repeal. (As far as working for the people, not for the interests it is really intended to serve. As it is constructed now? It is serving the TRUE stake holders perfectly well.) Don't look for it to change.

The whole reason that they went in to do a reform was for corporate competition. Healthcare was a massive liability for global corporations domiciled here in the US.

The big banks, tech firms, and big three all wanted to off load their costs to make them more competitive with their European and Asian competitors who have their health care costs picked up by the government.

All of these interests converged with big pharma and the health insurance companies to lobby the pols in DC to make Americans shoulder more of the costs so American companies could be more competitive.

Obamacare had nothing to do with covering more people to make healthcare more affordable, the elites number one goal was to make American business and industry more competitive and Wall Street more profitable off the back of middle class tax payers. Folks are fooling themselves if they think the government actually cares about the common folks or gives a shit about the little people. It works for huge financial interests. If it's not good for the economy, it won't get done.

And all these idiots bought it, and are still buying the lies. . . .

So true.

Obama was completely owned by big corporations but somehow this is unknown to most Americans, even though it is clearly obvious. He was owned just like W, Bubba, HW...and most of the rest.

This is the REAL American Way.

I suspect no amount of corruption, lies, and criminality by the ruling class, will ever wake up the vast majority of Americans to the ruse being played on them. I guess it proves the effectiveness of propaganda by the government and it's media.

. . . and you'll notice, everyone ignored my post, as they always do when I post about the medical health care debacle in this nation.

My sister is a top HR manager for GM. She makes trips to DC to discuss these issues, I talk with her occasionally.

Both the left and the right actually think they are going to get something for nothing, it is a laugh. The rich and the corporations are going to pay less and less over time, which means, in the end, consumers will pay more and more.

There will be no, "solutions." Folks don't want to hear this though, they want to hear that there will be solutions and that their costs will come down, or that they will rise as slow as the rest of other costs. And when they don't? They just want to blame the other party rather than economic realities.

Duh, we have a for profit healthcare system that was engineered that way at the turn of the last century. We specialize in treatments, not cures.

smh. So dumb.

ONE HR mgr at GM and she speaks for ALL HR mgrs and frankly all people?
So why don't we have JUST ONE automaker in the country, i.e. the Federal Government?
Poking fun of companies that make a profit is just ludicrous coming from her as a "top" HR Manager for GM!
Really? Let's take away GM's government assistance ok?
The final direct cost to the Treasury of the GM bailout was $11-12 billion ($10.5 billion for General Motors and $1.5 billion for former GM financing GMAC, now known as Ally)
General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization - Wikipedia
Really?

 

[healthmyths]

Address the real cause of health care cost "Defensive Medicine"!
Insurance companies go ahead and pay these "defensive Medicine" claims because it's cheaper than battling lawyers in frivolous malpractice suits.\
And in fact 90% of these lawsuits are settled out of court!
Over 90% of medical malpractice cases are settled out of court.
It's easy to understand why: money.
The average court settlement is about $425,000; the average jury award tops $1 million.
Most of the time, it's a lot cheaper to settle.
Medscape: Medscape Access

Solution is rigorous medical tort reform.
Tort Reform and Its Impact on Medical Malpractice Insurance | IRMI.com

And as for PROOF Tort Reform works?
Look no further than the 1946 Federal Tort Claims Act that protects physicians under Federal contract from being sued!
So if in the below study less than 50% of Federally contracted physicians surveyed practiced defensive medicine.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Medicare for all achieves it. Takes the profit motive out of health care. The primary motivation needs to be keeping people healthy and caring for them when they are not.

Oh for fuck's sake. Profit is not the problem with health care. What do you want, an all volunteer health care corps?

Nope. Dummy. Non profit organizations pay people who work for them. Try harder.