how to explain gay rights to an idiot

Read back. I provided a link.

Where is that link?

Just found it. Totally disagree with the idea....but that being said, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ONE IOTA the criminal act of forcing your attentions on a child unable to give consent. Period.

You are one serious sick fuck.

Seek help.

Bye.

Now that was an interesting post....you think I'm "one serious sick fuck" because I think that it is a criminal act to force one's attentions on a child unable to give consent.

I'm saving that post of yours. It could very well explain a lot about your attitudes here and maybe, you are our new Yukon. (if not just his sock puppet)
 
Read back. I provided a link.

Where is that link?

Just found it. Totally disagree with the idea....but that being said, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ONE IOTA the criminal act of forcing your attentions on a child unable to give consent. Period.

Not now. Come back in five years. Especially as homosexuality is going to be taught in schools. The younger a child can be taught the normalcy of perversion, the easier it will be to use them later on. As Dragon said, it may not be children today but it will certainly be grandchildren.

Show us where ever ever ever children are considered adults and able to give consent on ANYTHING for ANY REASON.

Go ahead and show that to us.
 
Of course girls. We can't discriminate against perversions.

"Perversion" has nothing to do with it. We punish pedophiles not because they're perverts but because they victimize children. Otherwise, you're right; victimizing underage girls is just as wrong and illegal as victimizing underage boys, and that's true regardless of the gender of the person doing it.

As far as spending time in "The Big House" that's just a matter of time and changing people's minds.

But we're not interested in changing people's minds in that regard. Our interest is in STOPPING the victimization of innocent people, not in ENCOURAGING it.

Seriously, if you can't tell the moral difference between the rape of a child and a sexual act performed between consenting adults, I despair for your moral sense, which seems to be so atrophied by reliance on authoritarian moral codes that it may never recover.

What I really see is the equality of immorality. You are imposing YOUR set of morals on others! You are aware that a "child" is merely an artificially imposed age of consent. In some places it's as low as 14. Given enough demands, it could be lowered more than that. How about a 13 year old girl having sex with her 18 year old boyfriend? Should he be prosecuted as a child predator?

It's selective morality isn't it?
 
The gay agenda is being taught in schools today. Children are being indoctrinated into perversions and the culture is becoming more degenerate.

The conversation shouldn't be about this water under the bridge but how to protect yourself and your family from the toxicity. One way would be to abandon this lost cause, find and support a culture that isn't degenerate. This one will collapse of its own.

Ah, the "Gay Agenda"


Here's your Gay Agenda:

The Homosexual Agenda Revealed! Conservative Christians discover what radical homosexual activists are up to! Ex-gay Ministry: BASH Baptists Are Saving Homosexuals! Christians Proudly Hating Through Tbe Anointing of Jesus

or here:

The Gay Agenda - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 03/15/00 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

or here:

Gay Agenda 2/18/04

or here:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY]It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married) - YouTube[/ame]
 
Where is that link?

Just found it. Totally disagree with the idea....but that being said, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ONE IOTA the criminal act of forcing your attentions on a child unable to give consent. Period.

Not now. Come back in five years. Especially as homosexuality is going to be taught in schools. The younger a child can be taught the normalcy of perversion, the easier it will be to use them later on. As Dragon said, it may not be children today but it will certainly be grandchildren.

Show us where ever ever ever children are considered adults and able to give consent on ANYTHING for ANY REASON.

Go ahead and show that to us.

What's a child? In mexico the age of consent is 12. If the legislature passed a law lowering the age of consent to ten you know that an 11 year old could legally consent to have sex.

Would you support the prosecution of an 18 year old man for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend or would that be some kind of justification to fudge the law just a little.

All it really takes is a change in the law. Sort of like changing the definition of marriage.
 
Not now. Come back in five years. Especially as homosexuality is going to be taught in schools. The younger a child can be taught the normalcy of perversion, the easier it will be to use them later on. As Dragon said, it may not be children today but it will certainly be grandchildren.

Show us where ever ever ever children are considered adults and able to give consent on ANYTHING for ANY REASON.

Go ahead and show that to us.

What's a child? In mexico the age of consent is 12. If the legislature passed a law lowering the age of consent to ten you know that an 11 year old could legally consent to have sex.

Would you support the prosecution of an 18 year old man for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend or would that be some kind of justification to fudge the law just a little.

All it really takes is a change in the law. Sort of like changing the definition of marriage.

Are we Mexico? Do we want to be Mexico?
 
Not now. Come back in five years. Especially as homosexuality is going to be taught in schools. The younger a child can be taught the normalcy of perversion, the easier it will be to use them later on. As Dragon said, it may not be children today but it will certainly be grandchildren.

Show us where ever ever ever children are considered adults and able to give consent on ANYTHING for ANY REASON.

Go ahead and show that to us.

What's a child? In mexico the age of consent is 12. If the legislature passed a law lowering the age of consent to ten you know that an 11 year old could legally consent to have sex.

Would you support the prosecution of an 18 year old man for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend or would that be some kind of justification to fudge the law just a little.

All it really takes is a change in the law. Sort of like changing the definition of marriage.

Quick question....how does having Legalized Gay marriage bring this about? How does NOT having gay marriage keep this from coming about?

Please be clear in your answer. TIA
 
What's a child? In mexico the age of consent is 12. If the legislature passed a law lowering the age of consent to ten you know that an 11 year old could legally consent to have sex.

You're being completely absurd, and the sad thing is that you can't even see it. Between homosexuality and pederasty there are only two common points:

1) You dislike both; and
2) Your authoritarian moral code condemns both.

To YOU, therefore, they are similar and it seems logical that if we change our attitudes towards one of them, we may change our attitudes about the other.

But for those of us who are NOT dependent on an authoritarian moral code -- those of us whose moral senses have NOT atrophied and who actually have sound REASONS for our beliefs in regard to right and wrong -- there is no connection between the two at all.

We wish homosexuality to be accepted and considered normal (or within the range of normality) because otherwise homosexuals are HURT. You see, in our view, HURTING PEOPLE is WRONG.

We do NOT have any similar motivation with regard to pederasty. Pederasty, you see, HURTS CHILDREN. And in our view, hurting people is wrong.

Of course, you won't get it. That's because your moral sense is atrophied, and you can't understand anyone having moral principles that aren't based on "God said so."
 
Michael Swift

First Published in Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987



(From the Congressional Record, with preface restored [restored preface in blue])



This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.



We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.



Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.



All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.



All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.



If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.



We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.



Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.



We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.



There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.



We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.



The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.



All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.



The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.



We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.



We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.



Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.
 
Show us where ever ever ever children are considered adults and able to give consent on ANYTHING for ANY REASON.

Go ahead and show that to us.

What's a child? In mexico the age of consent is 12. If the legislature passed a law lowering the age of consent to ten you know that an 11 year old could legally consent to have sex.

Would you support the prosecution of an 18 year old man for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend or would that be some kind of justification to fudge the law just a little.

All it really takes is a change in the law. Sort of like changing the definition of marriage.

Are we Mexico? Do we want to be Mexico?

Off hand, pretty much, if it got men into the pants of little girls, a lot of those men would say yes.
 
Here's the Puzzlement. Why isn't anyone calling Warrior out for calling me a "sick fuck" when I stated I support the continued CRIMINALIZATION of Pedophilia?

You don't quite understand. So what if you support the continued criminalization of pedophelia. A lot of people supported the continued criminialization of homosexuality too. That didn't stop activists from demanding legalization and normalization.

Today we have Heather has two mommys. In a few years we'll have Heather has a 40 year old "friend".
 
Michael Swift

First Published in Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987



(From the Congressional Record, with preface restored [restored preface in blue])



This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.



We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.



Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.



All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.



All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.



If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.



We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.



Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.



We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.



There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.



We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.



The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.



All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.



The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.



We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.



We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.



Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.

One idiot...akin to the Rev Phelps....shall we hold all heteros to his standard? Or hold all heteros to Mao's standards...or hold all Europeans to Hitler's standards?
 
In Oklahoma we have a constitutional amendment that says that marriage is between one man and one woman. It also says that the state of Oklahoma will not recognize same-sex marriages performed in any other state. It has already survived three attempts to overturn it AND the Oklahoma Supreme Court has ruled it is constitutional. I helped pass that amendment. I gave money to the effort to pass the amendment and I believe it is the right thing for Oklahoma.

That is not the case in California and other states. And quite frankly, I believe that this is a state's rights issue.

That same-sex couples live in Oklahoma doesn’t mean they forfeit their Constitutional rights. As marriage is a fundamental right, it is not subject to ‘majority rule,’ and states do not have the authority it violate fundamental rights:

Because [same-sex couples] seek to exercise their fundamental right to marry, their claim is subject to strict scrutiny. Zablocki, 434 US at 388. That the majority of California voters supported Proposition 8 is irrelevant, as “fundamental rights may not be submitted to [a] vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.” West Virginia State Board of Education v Barnette, 319 US 624, 638 (1943).
The singling out of a particular group of persons for exclusion from a given state’s law – such as marriage law – is un-Constitutional:

Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite sex couples are superior to same-sex couples. Because California has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its
constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis, the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional.

Any other arguement is crap soup...

In your opinion – the only opinion that counts, fortunately, is the Supreme Court’s.


Note also that there is no such thing as ‘gay rights’ or ‘gay marriage’:

[Same-sex couples] do not seek recognition of a new right. To characterize plaintiffs’ objective as “the right to same-sex marriage” would suggest that plaintiffs seek something different from what opposite-sex couples across the state enjoy —— namely, marriage. Rather, plaintiffs ask California to recognize their relationships for what they are: marriages.



Quotes above from:

Perry et al v. Schwarzenegger et al
 
Here's the Puzzlement. Why isn't anyone calling Warrior out for calling me a "sick fuck" when I stated I support the continued CRIMINALIZATION of Pedophilia?

You don't quite understand. So what if you support the continued criminalization of pedophelia. A lot of people supported the continued criminialization of homosexuality too. That didn't stop activists from demanding legalization and normalization.

Today we have Heather has two mommys. In a few years we'll have Heather has a 40 year old "friend".

Here's what's "so what"....Warrior called me a "sick fuck" for saying that. What does that make him? What does that make anyone who knows he did that and doesn't call him out?

:eusa_hand:
 
Here's the Puzzlement. Why isn't anyone calling Warrior out for calling me a "sick fuck" when I stated I support the continued CRIMINALIZATION of Pedophilia?

No Expectations. ;) :lol:

I suspect he misunderstood your position.
 
Here's the Puzzlement. Why isn't anyone calling Warrior out for calling me a "sick fuck" when I stated I support the continued CRIMINALIZATION of Pedophilia?

No Expectations. ;) :lol:

I suspect he misunderstood your position.

No expectations, eh? :lol::lol::lol:

You know better than to rely on others for what you can do just as well yourself.

There is a movement to Legitimatize Pedophilia. It angers most of us, but that does not stop the few from trying to Social Engineer it, even in a way to put those of us against it, on the defensive, as if there is something wrong with us, like we are Anti-Progressive. For Anyone that is not spoon fed, the reasoning is even more offensive.
 
Show us where ever ever ever children are considered adults and able to give consent on ANYTHING for ANY REASON.

Go ahead and show that to us.

What's a child? In mexico the age of consent is 12. If the legislature passed a law lowering the age of consent to ten you know that an 11 year old could legally consent to have sex.

Would you support the prosecution of an 18 year old man for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend or would that be some kind of justification to fudge the law just a little.

All it really takes is a change in the law. Sort of like changing the definition of marriage.

Quick question....how does having Legalized Gay marriage bring this about? How does NOT having gay marriage keep this from coming about?

Please be clear in your answer. TIA

Once perversion and abnormality is accepted as normal behavior it doesn't stop with YOUR particular brand of abnormality. Your flavor of the month is quickly followed by another and another after that. It is how cultures degrade. You drew your own little line in the sand, right after gay marriage. It stops right there! Except it doesn't. There is another perversion right after yours and of course their line in the sand will be right after their particular perversioin. If you were to tell the particpants in the Loving decision that someday that decision would be used to justify gay marriage, no doubt they would be horrified and tell you that will never happen. That decision was in 1967. In 1967 there is no way they would have possibly imagined the issue of same sex marriage would be legalized, much less their legal action used to justify it. Just as the advances that you make today will be used to justify practices that you find reprehensible. In 44 years what do you think will be morally unjustified?
 

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