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Who, exactly, are you supposed to ask? There is no defined power structure who can negotiate and then enforce any agreement.
Exactly. You're getting warmer...
Almost! And then it slipped away at the last moment. Keep trying. You'll get it.Therein lies the problem. There's no one to ask and it would be pointless to try.
According to ISIL propaganda, they want to establish a caliphate in the ME, and then convert the rest of the world to Islam.
No, I don't think that you can negotiate with terms like those.
But that's impossible. They're running amok, a disorganized "organization" sprinkled all over the world, glued only together by the blind fury they seem to engage in.The worst enemy you could possibly face is the one who isn't afraid to die and who has been brainwashed by maniacs and a perverted interpretation of his religious beliefs. Imagine searching for a perpetrator who believes in a perverted paradise if he kills you and dies in the act. These people are monsters and there is no solution other than convincing them that they cannot win no matter what they do.
So the next best thing is to ask them "what is it you want"?
Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..
Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"
Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"
Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.
I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?
Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.
I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.
Silhouette- you are stupid, ignorant and delusional.Silhouette- you are stupid, ignorant and delusional.
I actually read about this crap and have been reading about Middle Eastern Affairs for decades. I am neither pro- or con- Muslim or Christian or Jew, Arab or Israel.
Which is exactly why this topic is too nuanced for you and you belong nowhere near it...
Silhouette- you are stupid, ignorant and delusional.
Silhouette is more interested in lefty talking pointsSilhouette- you are stupid, ignorant and delusional.Silhouette- you are stupid, ignorant and delusional.
I actually read about this crap and have been reading about Middle Eastern Affairs for decades. I am neither pro- or con- Muslim or Christian or Jew, Arab or Israel.
Which is exactly why this topic is too nuanced for you and you belong nowhere near it...
I actually read about this crap and have been reading about Middle Eastern Affairs for decades. I am neither pro- or con- Muslim or Christian or Jew, Arab or Israel.
If you want to know more about ISIS- read this book
Black Flags: The Rise of ISIS: Joby Warrick: 9780385538213: Amazon.com: Books
Who, exactly, are you supposed to ask? There is no defined power structure who can negotiate and then enforce any agreement.
Exactly. You're getting warmer...Almost! And then it slipped away at the last moment. Keep trying. You'll get it.Therein lies the problem. There's no one to ask and it would be pointless to try.
I'll give you a hint: The UN could actually bring world peace if it proceeded with prudence and care.
According to ISIL propaganda, they want to establish a caliphate in the ME, and then convert the rest of the world to Islam.
No, I don't think that you can negotiate with terms like those.
The only negotiation should be how quickly the world powers want to destroy these fuckers.
Do they want to drag it out and give a half assed effort like we are doing now
or do they really want to end this....
There is no negotiation...Kill them before they kill us.
Anyone who loads up bombs with nails to improve the kill ratio needs to be ended.
All this because their little Muslim feelings were hurt?....
Enough...
How many more of these should the world put up with.
Enough with our politicians giving these speeches over and over again....
"Our support and prayers go to the families of those killed today"....
How about doing something more then what's being done?
What they want is you and your lifestyle
Wiped from the planet Earth
You willing to give them that
Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..
Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"
Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"
Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.
I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?
Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.
I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.
Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..
Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"
Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"
Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.
I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?
Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.
I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.
Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..
Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"
Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"
Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.
I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?
Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.
I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.
Who, exactly, are you supposed to ask? There is no defined power structure who can negotiate and then enforce any agreement.
Exactly. You're getting warmer...Almost! And then it slipped away at the last moment. Keep trying. You'll get it.Therein lies the problem. There's no one to ask and it would be pointless to try.
I'll give you a hint: The UN could actually bring world peace if it proceeded with prudence and care.
According to ISIL propaganda, they want to establish a caliphate in the ME, and then convert the rest of the world to Islam.
No, I don't think that you can negotiate with terms like those.
The only negotiation should be how quickly the world powers want to destroy these fuckers.
Do they want to drag it out and give a half assed effort like we are doing now
or do they really want to end this....
There is no negotiation...Kill them before they kill us.
Anyone who loads up bombs with nails to improve the kill ratio needs to be ended.
All this because their little Muslim feelings were hurt?....
Enough...
How many more of these should the world put up with.
Enough with our politicians giving these speeches over and over again....
"Our support and prayers go to the families of those killed today"....
How about doing something more then what's being done?
What they want is you and your lifestyle
Wiped from the planet Earth
You willing to give them that
Funny isn't it! This guy on the left wants to negotiate with murderers of civilians. Not even FDR would negotiate with Hitler, and that shows you how ridiculous this whole thread is, and why it is dangerous to have a far lefty in charge. Bill Clinton tried the same thing with North Korea, and look where that has gotten us. Obama followed suit with Iran.
In the end, this will lead to WWIII more than likely. The question is---------------->will it happen BEFORE these crazies get nuclear weapons so we can use conventional warfare, or are we going to sit here and wait till they do!
His whole premise is accurate on some level, and he doesn't even know why. If tomorrow, a dirty bomb goes off in New York, where do you attack at in retribution if ISIS takes responsibility? Even if a large conventional bomb goes off ala Tim Mcvey, where do we go? Where do we bomb? They are fighting a religious war, but we can't say that, now can we!
People in the West, are just now coming to the realization of how vulnerable we really are. With people like the OP, we are in trouble for sure. Damn good thing he is a "keyboard warrior," and not a government official, or we would all be screwed!
Who, exactly, are you supposed to ask? There is no defined power structure who can negotiate and then enforce any agreement.
Exactly. You're getting warmer...Almost! And then it slipped away at the last moment. Keep trying. You'll get it.Therein lies the problem. There's no one to ask and it would be pointless to try.
I'll give you a hint: The UN could actually bring world peace if it proceeded with prudence and care.
According to ISIL propaganda, they want to establish a caliphate in the ME, and then convert the rest of the world to Islam.
No, I don't think that you can negotiate with terms like those.
The only negotiation should be how quickly the world powers want to destroy these fuckers.
Do they want to drag it out and give a half assed effort like we are doing now
or do they really want to end this....
There is no negotiation...Kill them before they kill us.
Anyone who loads up bombs with nails to improve the kill ratio needs to be ended.
All this because their little Muslim feelings were hurt?....
Enough...
How many more of these should the world put up with.
Enough with our politicians giving these speeches over and over again....
"Our support and prayers go to the families of those killed today"....
How about doing something more then what's being done?
What they want is you and your lifestyle
Wiped from the planet Earth
You willing to give them that
Funny isn't it! This guy on the left wants to negotiate with murderers of civilians. Not even FDR would negotiate with Hitler, and that shows you how ridiculous this whole thread is, and why it is dangerous to have a far lefty in charge. Bill Clinton tried the same thing with North Korea, and look where that has gotten us. Obama followed suit with Iran.
In the end, this will lead to WWIII more than likely. The question is---------------->will it happen BEFORE these crazies get nuclear weapons so we can use conventional warfare, or are we going to sit here and wait till they do!
His whole premise is accurate on some level, and he doesn't even know why. If tomorrow, a dirty bomb goes off in New York, where do you attack at in retribution if ISIS takes responsibility? Even if a large conventional bomb goes off ala Tim Mcvey, where do we go? Where do we bomb? They are fighting a religious war, but we can't say that, now can we!
People in the West, are just now coming to the realization of how vulnerable we really are. With people like the OP, we are in trouble for sure. Damn good thing he is a "keyboard warrior," and not a government official, or we would all be screwed!
The question is not if but when
As it sits now we will have to fight them with them
Having better weapons
Way better weapons in fact billions of dollars worth
That we left behind
With their oil income it will not take long for them
To afford some from Pakistan or North Korea
So it is quite possible for a nuke one
The worst enemy you could possibly face is the one who isn't afraid to die and who has been brainwashed by maniacs and a perverted interpretation of his religious beliefs. Imagine searching for a perpetrator who believes in a perverted paradise if he kills you and dies in the act. These people are monsters and there is no solution other than convincing them that they cannot win no matter what they do.
Got a link, flyshit man?1) Give terrorists 150 billion dollars
2) Make them promise that they won't develop nuclear weapons
3) Remove all economic sanctions against them
4) Ask for very, very little in return
I hate to obliterate your retarded talking point (not really) but... Iran has shipped out 25,000 pounds of enriched uranium , deactivated a breeder reactor, and dismantled 15,000 centrifuges, setting their nuclear weapons program back by several years.
God...DAMMIT!!!
