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Funny isn't it! This guy on the left wants to negotiate with murderers of civilians...
Damn good thing he is a "keyboard warrior," and not a government official, or we would all be screwed!
Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..
Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"
Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"
Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.
I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?
Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.
I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.
It's actually quite easy. They want death. Either ours or theirs. It doesn't matter to them.
The only way to deal with these animals is to crush their bones and killSome people seem to be under the illusion that this is a war we can win. I think that is something we tell ourselves so we can sleep better at night. We will not change these people's minds, period. You cannot reason with them. We can't kill them all. We can try, but we never will. All we can do is fight them to the best of our ability and hope they go back to killing each other.
Maybe we should start using fake social media accounts of one sect making fun of the other using cartoons, then we get out of the way and they blow each other up. I don't know.
It's actually quite easy. They want death. Either ours or theirs. It doesn't matter to them.
Well, state the obvious why don't you..lol..
The point of this thread is WHY? And if they don't have a lucid or binding reason, I want them to offer some up so we can begin asking them what they will be happy with. It might shock them to know they don't have a binding principle. See what I mean?
The only way to deal with these animals is to crush their bones and kill
As many as possible
It's clear what they want. They've been saying it for years: stay out of their country and quit bombing them. Now its too late, our shitty foreign policy created this whole mess.
It's now a conundrum. The more we bomb and attack them, the more it only serves as a recruitment tool. It reflects exactly what they are being told. There's a war against Islam. Every time a bomb drops they need only to say "See?" Doing nothing at this point won't solve it either. They are hell bent on taking over the world.
It's a giant mess and the US doesn't have the stomach to do what needs to be done to beat them into submission. We cannot win this war by waging war the way we do. This is a fact.
It's clear what they want. They've been saying it for years: stay out of their country and quit bombing them. Now its too late, our shitty foreign policy created this whole mess.
It's now a conundrum. The more we bomb and attack them, the more it only serves as a recruitment tool. It reflects exactly what they are being told. There's a war against Islam. Every time a bomb drops they need only to say "See?" Doing nothing at this point won't solve it either. They are hell bent on taking over the world.
It's a giant mess and the US doesn't have the stomach to do what needs to be done to beat them into submission. We cannot win this war by waging war the way we do. This is a fact.
Of course I have clearly stated that is the only thing they understandThe only way to deal with these animals is to crush their bones and kill
As many as possible
They feel the same way, only they have more money than you and more of them than you, and they're spread all around the world while your "army" chases its ass around trying to see where the mole will pop up next.
It's kind of silly, your position. It is inoperable within the confines of the present reality.
But, why are they attracting people to fight for them that had no interest in Islam earlier?According to ISIL propaganda, they want to establish a caliphate in the ME, and then convert the rest of the world to Islam.
No, I don't think that you can negotiate with terms like those.
Agreed, its too late at this point. We can defeat them though but the bureaucrats and sissy Admirals/Generals don't have the stomach to do whats needed to get the job done. If we got the bureaucrats out of the way, fired 99% of the Admirals/Generals and replaced them with the real warfighters the US could degrade their ability to fight in 6 months. Probably put enough fear into them that they wouldn't even want to fight any more. They don't fear the US military, or any military for that matter, because they know we fight with both arms tied behind our backs and blindfoldsIt's clear what they want. They've been saying it for years: stay out of their country and quit bombing them. Now its too late, our shitty foreign policy created this whole mess.
It's now a conundrum. The more we bomb and attack them, the more it only serves as a recruitment tool. It reflects exactly what they are being told. There's a war against Islam. Every time a bomb drops they need only to say "See?" Doing nothing at this point won't solve it either. They are hell bent on taking over the world.
It's a giant mess and the US doesn't have the stomach to do what needs to be done to beat them into submission. We cannot win this war by waging war the way we do. This is a fact.
Even if we were to stay completely out of their country, they would still be doing the attacks. It has now evolved into a religious war and it will remain in effect until either the whole world is converted to Islam (and even then they figure out ways to kill each other off) or we kill off all of the jihadis (unlikely), or they finally have their version of the Reformation, and evolve.
Silhouette is more interested in lefty talking pointsSilhouette- you are stupid, ignorant and delusional.Silhouette- you are stupid, ignorant and delusional.
I actually read about this crap and have been reading about Middle Eastern Affairs for decades. I am neither pro- or con- Muslim or Christian or Jew, Arab or Israel.
Which is exactly why this topic is too nuanced for you and you belong nowhere near it...
I actually read about this crap and have been reading about Middle Eastern Affairs for decades. I am neither pro- or con- Muslim or Christian or Jew, Arab or Israel.
If you want to know more about ISIS- read this book
Black Flags: The Rise of ISIS: Joby Warrick: 9780385538213: Amazon.com: Books
No no no...not beat the crap out of them some more. Annihilate them as in decimate them as in totally destroy thousands upon thousands of them in a short period of time. Annihilate them so badly that their will to fight will be gone and the 'few' who remain will be terrified to even join the cause.It's clear what they want. They've been saying it for years: stay out of their country and quit bombing them. Now its too late, our shitty foreign policy created this whole mess.
It's now a conundrum. The more we bomb and attack them, the more it only serves as a recruitment tool. It reflects exactly what they are being told. There's a war against Islam. Every time a bomb drops they need only to say "See?" Doing nothing at this point won't solve it either. They are hell bent on taking over the world.
It's a giant mess and the US doesn't have the stomach to do what needs to be done to beat them into submission. We cannot win this war by waging war the way we do. This is a fact.
You're funny. On the one hand you accurately identify the root of the problem: That the US's foreign blood-for-oil Cheney bullshit is what got us to where we are today. So in saying that, you are identifying the angry arabs as the victims of US bullshit.
Then, in the very next breath you say "what needs to be done is beat them into submission!". That's like saying "yeah, we gave the Sioux smallpox infected blankets and now they're lashing back and scalping the pioneers trying to make it out to Oregon...sneaking in the night with the advantage of invisibility and surprise...then your "solution" for that would be "to beat the crap out of the Sioux some more".
People just need to realize what logic is. People need to pay attention to what logic is.
Agreed, its too late at this point. We can defeat them though but the bureaucrats and sissy Admirals/Generals don't have the stomach to do whats needed to get the job done. If we got the bureaucrats out of the way, fired 99% of the Admirals/Generals and replaced them with the real warfighters the US could degrade their ability to fight in 6 months. Probably put enough fear into them that they wouldn't even want to fight any more. They don't fear the US military, or any military for that matter, because they know we fight with both arms tied behind our backs and blindfoldsIt's clear what they want. They've been saying it for years: stay out of their country and quit bombing them. Now its too late, our shitty foreign policy created this whole mess.
It's now a conundrum. The more we bomb and attack them, the more it only serves as a recruitment tool. It reflects exactly what they are being told. There's a war against Islam. Every time a bomb drops they need only to say "See?" Doing nothing at this point won't solve it either. They are hell bent on taking over the world.
It's a giant mess and the US doesn't have the stomach to do what needs to be done to beat them into submission. We cannot win this war by waging war the way we do. This is a fact.
Even if we were to stay completely out of their country, they would still be doing the attacks. It has now evolved into a religious war and it will remain in effect until either the whole world is converted to Islam (and even then they figure out ways to kill each other off) or we kill off all of the jihadis (unlikely), or they finally have their version of the Reformation, and evolve.
No no no...not beat the crap out of them some more. Annihilate them as in decimate them as in totally destroy thousands upon thousands of them in a short period of time. Annihilate them so badly that their will to fight will be gone and the 'few' who remain will be terrified to even join the cause.It's clear what they want. They've been saying it for years: stay out of their country and quit bombing them. Now its too late, our shitty foreign policy created this whole mess.
It's now a conundrum. The more we bomb and attack them, the more it only serves as a recruitment tool. It reflects exactly what they are being told. There's a war against Islam. Every time a bomb drops they need only to say "See?" Doing nothing at this point won't solve it either. They are hell bent on taking over the world.
It's a giant mess and the US doesn't have the stomach to do what needs to be done to beat them into submission. We cannot win this war by waging war the way we do. This is a fact.
You're funny. On the one hand you accurately identify the root of the problem: That the US's foreign blood-for-oil Cheney bullshit is what got us to where we are today. So in saying that, you are identifying the angry arabs as the victims of US bullshit.
Then, in the very next breath you say "what needs to be done is beat them into submission!". That's like saying "yeah, we gave the Sioux smallpox infected blankets and now they're lashing back and scalping the pioneers trying to make it out to Oregon...sneaking in the night with the advantage of invisibility and surprise...then your "solution" for that would be "to beat the crap out of the Sioux some more".
People just need to realize what logic is. People need to pay attention to what logic is.
