Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

[Mertex]

How about keeping your legs closed? it doesn't cost a dime and you're guaranteed not to get pregnant.

Why don't you cut your dick off, that will surely guarantee you won't have to worry about causing someone to want an abortion.

Your concession is noted.

Really? You're claiming victory when you are so utterly failing..........that's epic...epic failure...not only are you failing, you are also failing to recognize how badly you are failing.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Where did I suggest it didn't involve carrying the baby to term and delivering? I live on a planet that is infested with stupid people like you.

You're the stupid one. You say there are alternatives to abortion........if the woman doesn't want to be pregnant, there really are no alternatives, idiot.

There are alternatives. If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, she shouldn't engage in activities that may make her pregnant. MORON!!

You are truly stupid. Women get pregnant while practicing birth control often, idiot. Women who get raped don't seek out that activity that will get them pregnant, idiot. The 10-year old in the OP certainly didn't engage in the activity of being raped by choice, idiot. My, they don't make them any dopier than you.

Calm down Dilbert.

I'm calm.....if laughing at your stupid posts makes you think I'm not calm......that's another of your failures.

I was talking about women in general, not those unfortunate enough to get raped, but the idiots that engage in sex and then are surprised to learn they are pregnant. Everyone with half a brain, which includes you, knows that no birth control application is 100 percent. What IS 100 percent effective in not getting pregnant is keeping your legs closed.

Not everyone that gets pregnant gets pregnant because they didn't practice birth control, moron.....and your dumb party wants to take contraceptives away. You must be a really dull nut if you think that keeping your legs closed is the answer. No wonder your party is going down in credibility......you all come up with the most senseless and idiotic solutions to everything. I guess you probably have to use Viagra and why your solution is so simple-minded/sophomoric.

Damn, arguing with you idiots is the highlight of my day.

It certainly is amusing to read your posts......you must have escaped from the Draconian age, or your brain never really develop properly.

You are stupid fuck.

I am amazed you are able to operate a computer. Tell me, who boots it up for you?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

How about keeping your legs closed? it doesn't cost a dime and you're guaranteed not to get pregnant.

Why don't you cut your dick off, that will surely guarantee you won't have to worry about causing someone to want an abortion.

Your concession is noted.

Really? You're claiming victory when you are so utterly failing..........that's epic...epic failure...not only are you failing, you are also failing to recognize how badly you are failing.

Your concession is noted. Again.

 

[Mertex]

You are stupid fuck.

I am amazed you are able to operate a computer. Tell me, who boots it up for you?

Even your attempt at being funny sucks........that trite comment has been so over-used that it makes you look like a total chump.

 

[Mertex]

How about keeping your legs closed? it doesn't cost a dime and you're guaranteed not to get pregnant.

Why don't you cut your dick off, that will surely guarantee you won't have to worry about causing someone to want an abortion.

Your concession is noted.

Really? You're claiming victory when you are so utterly failing..........that's epic...epic failure...not only are you failing, you are also failing to recognize how badly you are failing.

Your concession is noted. Again.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You are stupid fuck.

I am amazed you are able to operate a computer. Tell me, who boots it up for you?

Even your attempt at being funny sucks........that trite comment has been so over-used that it makes you look like a total chump.

I wasn't trying to be funny. I was being serious. Who boots up your computer for you?

 

[Mertex]

You are stupid fuck.

I am amazed you are able to operate a computer. Tell me, who boots it up for you?

Even your attempt at being funny sucks........that trite comment has been so over-used that it makes you look like a total chump.

I wasn't trying to be funny. I was being serious. Who boots up your computer for you?

I know you are, but what am I.........that's the extent of your debate....go take your nap, you're beginning to sound grumpy.

 

[aris2chat]

Step father is in jail and now that she has given birth, so is her mother.

>>Erika Guevara, Americas director at Amnesty International, said in a statement that Mainumby was “lucky to be alive”, adding that “only time will tell the true extent of the physical and psychological consequences of her tragic ordeal”.

“The fact that Mainumby did not die does not excuse the human rights violations she suffered at the hands of the Paraguayan authorities, who decided to gamble with her health, life and integrity despite overwhelming evidence that this pregnancy was extremely risky,” she said.<<

Now the girls lawyer wants to place both girls back into the care of the mother who let the girl be abused by the step-father.

600 girls under the age of 14 give birth each year in Paraguay. How is this moral?

Human rights organization, including UN, officials spoke out for the right of the girl to have an abortion.

There was nothing good that came from this. So many lives in turmoil just to deny a child her childhood after being raped.

No rape victim should be denied the option of an abortion. No child not conceived in love should be forced on a woman/girl.

Sad situation when a person feels that killing an innocent life is the answer.

Can you imagine that the girl in Paraguay might in ten years from now be face to face with her rapist demanding his rights to the child or being forced to marry him and share a life with her rapist?
I don't know paraguay law, but in the US it could happen. You really think a victim should be faced with that in her future? No way to get her rapist out of her life?

It is one thing to be a rape victim of some random attack and another to know your rapist. A child raped for months or years having to be anywhere near the rapist ever again? To see the rapist in the face of the child? To be forced to share custody even while he is in jail? To be obligated by the court to take the child to see the rapist?

OMG! A swear the intelligence and the knowledge about women who have been victims of rape is next to nil, at least it seem that way judging by some of the posters.

No victim of rape wants to be reminded over and over of the rape. A girl or woman has be free to heal and move beyond and pick up the pieces of her life. Not nine month later or nineteen years later. The idea of being connected to the rapist is disgusting. I would have run in front of a bus. To meet him again, even the chance, to awaken the horrors all over again and be terrified and traumatized like it was just yesterday. That is insane.

Anyone that thinks a rape victim can wait nine month and just get beyond the rape is down right bonkers.

No rape victim should have to give birth and legally she is given the option of an abortion. No woman should ever have to live through a rape and she certainly should not have to be reminded over and over of what she experienced.

Most rape is by a man she or the family knows not some stranger. I'd shoot the man if I could and plead insanity. The though of seeing the man again would send chills down my spine. In some case where the girl might know the person, not report it and chance to meet the man in a social setting and not able to scream or attack him? In some places there is statute of limitation to report or charge the man.

The details and ifs and ors of every case should not be hashed out. This is not a law class.

No one should take the access of abortions away from the woman.

Yea I see that happening. SMH

You clearly must have been raped before and felt compelled to kill the baby.

Never had an abortion. I have had two D&Cs for medical necessity and finally a hysterectomy because of fibroids.

I've know many girls and women that were victims of rape, abuse, genital mutilation and some escaping from being killed by family.

I've seen some of the horrors what what women have gone through and know some that eventually committed suicide. I've seen some of the desperation they have gone through in areas without support of females.

I've witnesses executions of women as well.

You listen to their stories and hold their hand. You do with you can to get them help but at the time there was little anyone could do. When no medicine was to be hand I shared folk and herbal suggestions but it can't help the mental and internal damage they suffered.

I still have nightmares from some of the things I've seen. Decades later they still haunt me.

Why should I be complacent about rape or abuse? Why should I not stand up for women's rights to their own body? Why should I let people try to take the right and choice away from women?

My experiences and knowledge make me more determined to speak. I might not be able to get around and physically be there but my fingers still work enough to share my voice.

People that try to suppress girls and women deserve to be stopped. It is not a matter of being pro-abortion but of being pro-women. Caring for the needs of women, for what they want, for their right to build back their lives, to heal.

Rapists and child abusers are up there near the top of my shit list. I'd like to put them all in front of firing squad but in the US, that is not possible.

If you have to question where my motivation stems from, you will never understand. You become part of the problem. You don't want to be the target of my venom, get out of the way. When I am dead I will stop speaking out.

I care about what the women need to move forward, beyond the abuse. What anyone else thinks is immaterial. We don't live in an ideal world without want or hurt. As long that is the case, "hear me roar".

Cogito, ergo sum, ergo dico

So you've never killed a baby, never been raped and you personally know women that have went through the horrors you describe. Tell me, how does killing an innocent life help?

How does producing an wanted child help but enslave a woman? Don't we already have far too many unwanted and abused children in the world? How does taking a woman's freedom and body for nine months and leave her mentally scared help?

Used to be that babies were left by the water's edge for the elements or animals to take. We don't do that any more. There are safe drops for children. How many unwanted children are born addicts or suffers some birth defect? What of women who never get or can't get proper prenatal care? What of children that are so uneducated, immature or ill prepared that they don't even know they are pregnant? That the abuse they suffer would have such results?

How does that help?

How many have miscarriage and don't even know what is happening to them and discard the result in the garbage.

In the first trimester it is not life. Even in later trimesters there are medical reasons for abortions.

What of the life of the child or woman? Is that not life? Do they not matter? How does enslaving them make things right? What of their needs? How do you put their life back together? How do they move on?

Women are given options the day before any abortion in a clinic. 24 hr waiting period. It is their body and their decision.

What of the 20% of women suicide victims that were pregnant? You care nothing of their health and life? Maybe they could have been saved?

If you don't understand and are ill prepared for what is happening to their bodies hormones and often depression while pregnant, many literally feel like they are going crazy. With proper diet and care in most women, it passes. For some it can lead to suicide.

We have to care the girl/woman first if we want them to have healthy children at some point in their life.

Still True: Abortion Does Not Increase Women’s Risk of Mental Health Problems

Children should be wanted and loved, not just a result of unwanted breeding of women like cattle.

There is a time and place for everything. Rape, failed birth control and health matters does not make it the right time for women. It would be ideal if all pregnancies were both wanted and perfect. They aren't. As long as we are so complex and our lives are so complicated the option of abortions are necessary for women's mental and physical health.

No woman casually opts for an abortion. It is a last resort.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

^^^ I don't believe that abortion is justified when being pregnant at all is never once meant to be a threat on those who are pregnant.

You are vey naive to think that being pregnant is never once meant to be a threat on those who are pregnant, perhaps that is why you think the way you do. There are women whose lives will be put in danger through pregnancy, and for those women, abortion should always remain an option. One of the causes given for possible death due to pregnancy is "women die because of poor health at conception and a lack of adequate health care" yet you and many others support a party that tries to take away the health care provided by Planned Parenthood, and Obamacare which proves you really have no compassion for human life, but try to portray that you do by going all out for a fetus.

So you don't make the mistake of thinking that pregnancy is a piece of cake for every woman, you should read the following article:

Why are women dying while pregnant?

What you obviously do not get is that pregnancy is not meant to be a life threatening condition. If everyone who got pregnant aborted the babies, that would then be the end of man kind. Just because some have not made it through the pregnancy doesn't mean that everyone else who gets pregnant is going to kick the bucket if they do not abort.

To me, if a person's religious beliefs are not going to be respected, people shouldn't expect any respect out of that person in return.

Isn't that a bit hypocritical? You want people to respect your religious beliefs, but you don't have to respect their beliefs? You don't have to respect the law? What makes you so special?

Obviously you do not realize that all of this can be said to you people as well.

To answer your question. Yes, they don't like what we have to say either. How do you think what it is that you have been saying to me all of this time makes you look because I don't agree with anything that you have to say? If you think that it makes you look smart, it doesn't. It only makes you look like a five year old who isn't getting candy when they want it.

umm... that doesn't actually answer my question. Here, let me repeat it, maybe you'll understand it a second time......

Do you see them crying like little bitches the way you conservatives do?

Obviously you did not read my previous message here well enough. Try to comprehend. Yes they can not deny the fact that they are no stranger to crying. What do you think that they were doing before same gender marriages became legal?

If you really didn't care what I thought, you wouldn't be writing to me all this time. You would have given up a long time ago. I only continue to write to you because you continue to write to me first. My first message in this chat was never in response to another person here and yes I know that you have the right to respond to whoever you choose to, but when you do, you only set yourself up for the chance of being written back to whether you want them to write you back or not so if you don't want to be responded to, don't write to another person until you feel different.

And you accuse others who respond to your gibberish as being 5 years old? Your first message may not have been in response to another person, but it certainly was a shout out that you think others are wrong and you are right....people have a right to challenge your naivety. Obviously you also care what they write or you wouldn't keep responding back....it works both ways.

I never once said that it didn't work both ways. I know what can happen when I say anything, but I am not about to let that stop me from doing what I am free to do whenever I choose to.

Holly: They don't even bother to consider the fact that maybe not all of us want to know about it.

Ahhh, but you see THE FUNDIES are approaching ME, wanting to shove THEIR life style down MY throat. And they aren't meek & mild about it either, when I try to walk around them, they try to block my way. And the solicitors are coming onto MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. There lies the difference. Now, what exactly do the homo gays do to you specifically, that you say they are shoving their lifestyles down your throat?

Holly: If you really didn't care what I thought, you wouldn't be writing to me all this time. You would have given up a long time ago.

& learn to comprehend. I said, I am not looking to change your mind... only to re-enforce that this country is based on the Constitution & will never bow down to any one religion- yours included- & the laws should never serve those - such as yours - who want to turn it into American sharia.

If you weren't looking to change my mind, you wouldn't be writing to me still no matter what your real intention might be. Also if you don't want to be bothered by anyone out there in public, kick them where it hurts when they try to corner you and then they will get the message.

God bless you people always!!!

Holly

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Sad situation when a person feels that killing an innocent life is the answer.

Can you imagine that the girl in Paraguay might in ten years from now be face to face with her rapist demanding his rights to the child or being forced to marry him and share a life with her rapist?
I don't know paraguay law, but in the US it could happen. You really think a victim should be faced with that in her future? No way to get her rapist out of her life?

It is one thing to be a rape victim of some random attack and another to know your rapist. A child raped for months or years having to be anywhere near the rapist ever again? To see the rapist in the face of the child? To be forced to share custody even while he is in jail? To be obligated by the court to take the child to see the rapist?

OMG! A swear the intelligence and the knowledge about women who have been victims of rape is next to nil, at least it seem that way judging by some of the posters.

No victim of rape wants to be reminded over and over of the rape. A girl or woman has be free to heal and move beyond and pick up the pieces of her life. Not nine month later or nineteen years later. The idea of being connected to the rapist is disgusting. I would have run in front of a bus. To meet him again, even the chance, to awaken the horrors all over again and be terrified and traumatized like it was just yesterday. That is insane.

Anyone that thinks a rape victim can wait nine month and just get beyond the rape is down right bonkers.

No rape victim should have to give birth and legally she is given the option of an abortion. No woman should ever have to live through a rape and she certainly should not have to be reminded over and over of what she experienced.

Most rape is by a man she or the family knows not some stranger. I'd shoot the man if I could and plead insanity. The though of seeing the man again would send chills down my spine. In some case where the girl might know the person, not report it and chance to meet the man in a social setting and not able to scream or attack him? In some places there is statute of limitation to report or charge the man.

The details and ifs and ors of every case should not be hashed out. This is not a law class.

No one should take the access of abortions away from the woman.

Yea I see that happening. SMH

You clearly must have been raped before and felt compelled to kill the baby.

Never had an abortion. I have had two D&Cs for medical necessity and finally a hysterectomy because of fibroids.

I've know many girls and women that were victims of rape, abuse, genital mutilation and some escaping from being killed by family.

I've seen some of the horrors what what women have gone through and know some that eventually committed suicide. I've seen some of the desperation they have gone through in areas without support of females.

I've witnesses executions of women as well.

You listen to their stories and hold their hand. You do with you can to get them help but at the time there was little anyone could do. When no medicine was to be hand I shared folk and herbal suggestions but it can't help the mental and internal damage they suffered.

I still have nightmares from some of the things I've seen. Decades later they still haunt me.

Why should I be complacent about rape or abuse? Why should I not stand up for women's rights to their own body? Why should I let people try to take the right and choice away from women?

My experiences and knowledge make me more determined to speak. I might not be able to get around and physically be there but my fingers still work enough to share my voice.

People that try to suppress girls and women deserve to be stopped. It is not a matter of being pro-abortion but of being pro-women. Caring for the needs of women, for what they want, for their right to build back their lives, to heal.

Rapists and child abusers are up there near the top of my shit list. I'd like to put them all in front of firing squad but in the US, that is not possible.

If you have to question where my motivation stems from, you will never understand. You become part of the problem. You don't want to be the target of my venom, get out of the way. When I am dead I will stop speaking out.

I care about what the women need to move forward, beyond the abuse. What anyone else thinks is immaterial. We don't live in an ideal world without want or hurt. As long that is the case, "hear me roar".

Cogito, ergo sum, ergo dico

So you've never killed a baby, never been raped and you personally know women that have went through the horrors you describe. Tell me, how does killing an innocent life help?

How does producing an wanted child help but enslave a woman? Don't we already have far too many unwanted and abused children in the world? How does taking a woman's freedom and body for nine months and leave her mentally scared help?

Used to be that babies were left by the water's edge for the elements or animals to take. We don't do that any more. There are safe drops for children. How many unwanted children are born addicts or suffers some birth defect? What of women who never get or can't get proper prenatal care? What of children that are so uneducated, immature or ill prepared that they don't even know they are pregnant? That the abuse they suffer would have such results?

How does that help?

How many have miscarriage and don't even know what is happening to them and discard the result in the garbage.

In the first trimester it is not life. Even in later trimesters there are medical reasons for abortions.

What of the life of the child or woman? Is that not life? Do they not matter? How does enslaving them make things right? What of their needs? How do you put their life back together? How do they move on?

Women are given options the day before any abortion in a clinic. 24 hr waiting period. It is their body and their decision.

What of the 20% of women suicide victims that were pregnant? You care nothing of their health and life? Maybe they could have been saved?

If you don't understand and are ill prepared for what is happening to their bodies hormones and often depression while pregnant, many literally feel like they are going crazy. With proper diet and care in most women, it passes. For some it can lead to suicide.

We have to care the girl/woman first if we want them to have healthy children at some point in their life.

Still True: Abortion Does Not Increase Women’s Risk of Mental Health Problems

Children should be wanted and loved, not just a result of unwanted breeding of women like cattle.

There is a time and place for everything. Rape, failed birth control and health matters does not make it the right time for women. It would be ideal if all pregnancies were both wanted and perfect. They aren't. As long as we are so complex and our lives are so complicated the option of abortions are necessary for women's mental and physical health.

No woman casually opts for an abortion. It is a last resort.

Don't want a child? Don't engage in activities that would produce a child. Easy enough!

 

[aris2chat]

Yeah....that don't involve carrying it to term and delivering? In what planet do you live?

Where did I suggest it didn't involve carrying the baby to term and delivering? I live on a planet that is infested with stupid people like you.

You're the stupid one. You say there are alternatives to abortion........if the woman doesn't want to be pregnant, there really are no alternatives, idiot.

There are alternatives. If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, she shouldn't engage in activities that may make her pregnant. MORON!!

You are truly stupid. Women get pregnant while practicing birth control often, idiot. Women who get raped don't seek out that activity that will get them pregnant, idiot. The 10-year old in the OP certainly didn't engage in the activity of being raped by choice, idiot. My, they don't make them any dopier than you.

Calm down Dilbert.

I was talking about women in general, not those unfortunate enough to get raped, but the idiots that engage in sex and then are surprised to learn they are pregnant. Everyone with half a brain, which includes you, knows that no birth control application is 100 percent. What IS 100 percent effective in not getting pregnant is keeping your legs closed.

Damn, arguing with you idiots is the highlight of my day.

Women in general? Every women is unique and their reason for resorting to an abortion is their own and like them unique.

Women in general? You don't have a wide experience in life or the life or women? Few women can be "in general"-ized. You have to take them one at a time with their own stories and needs.

Abortion is not "general" nor are the women who make that choice. Many are scared and desperate. Some are just not ready. Each case has it's own merits. It is a hard choice for them. But it is THEIR choice for their life.

Why do some think abortion is casual or general? Far from it. Only a fraction of women ever get or consider abortion. Legally and morally, it is their decision. You can't make it for them or force it on them because of "your" morals. If you are against abortion, don't have one. Stay our the life and choices or others.

Some people want to drive, others don't. Some want to own a house, others don't. Some want to get advanced education or training, others don't. Some choose to smoke or use drugs, others don't..............................
Some women want to be mothers, others don't. For women who can't have children, now there are options, even transplanting a womb or having a surrogate carry their egg.
Don't take the options way from a woman. It is her life, her right to choose.

 

[aris2chat]

Can you imagine that the girl in Paraguay might in ten years from now be face to face with her rapist demanding his rights to the child or being forced to marry him and share a life with her rapist?
I don't know paraguay law, but in the US it could happen. You really think a victim should be faced with that in her future? No way to get her rapist out of her life?

It is one thing to be a rape victim of some random attack and another to know your rapist. A child raped for months or years having to be anywhere near the rapist ever again? To see the rapist in the face of the child? To be forced to share custody even while he is in jail? To be obligated by the court to take the child to see the rapist?

OMG! A swear the intelligence and the knowledge about women who have been victims of rape is next to nil, at least it seem that way judging by some of the posters.

No victim of rape wants to be reminded over and over of the rape. A girl or woman has be free to heal and move beyond and pick up the pieces of her life. Not nine month later or nineteen years later. The idea of being connected to the rapist is disgusting. I would have run in front of a bus. To meet him again, even the chance, to awaken the horrors all over again and be terrified and traumatized like it was just yesterday. That is insane.

Anyone that thinks a rape victim can wait nine month and just get beyond the rape is down right bonkers.

No rape victim should have to give birth and legally she is given the option of an abortion. No woman should ever have to live through a rape and she certainly should not have to be reminded over and over of what she experienced.

Most rape is by a man she or the family knows not some stranger. I'd shoot the man if I could and plead insanity. The though of seeing the man again would send chills down my spine. In some case where the girl might know the person, not report it and chance to meet the man in a social setting and not able to scream or attack him? In some places there is statute of limitation to report or charge the man.

The details and ifs and ors of every case should not be hashed out. This is not a law class.

No one should take the access of abortions away from the woman.

Yea I see that happening. SMH

You clearly must have been raped before and felt compelled to kill the baby.

Never had an abortion. I have had two D&Cs for medical necessity and finally a hysterectomy because of fibroids.

I've know many girls and women that were victims of rape, abuse, genital mutilation and some escaping from being killed by family.

I've seen some of the horrors what what women have gone through and know some that eventually committed suicide. I've seen some of the desperation they have gone through in areas without support of females.

I've witnesses executions of women as well.

You listen to their stories and hold their hand. You do with you can to get them help but at the time there was little anyone could do. When no medicine was to be hand I shared folk and herbal suggestions but it can't help the mental and internal damage they suffered.

I still have nightmares from some of the things I've seen. Decades later they still haunt me.

Why should I be complacent about rape or abuse? Why should I not stand up for women's rights to their own body? Why should I let people try to take the right and choice away from women?

My experiences and knowledge make me more determined to speak. I might not be able to get around and physically be there but my fingers still work enough to share my voice.

People that try to suppress girls and women deserve to be stopped. It is not a matter of being pro-abortion but of being pro-women. Caring for the needs of women, for what they want, for their right to build back their lives, to heal.

Rapists and child abusers are up there near the top of my shit list. I'd like to put them all in front of firing squad but in the US, that is not possible.

If you have to question where my motivation stems from, you will never understand. You become part of the problem. You don't want to be the target of my venom, get out of the way. When I am dead I will stop speaking out.

I care about what the women need to move forward, beyond the abuse. What anyone else thinks is immaterial. We don't live in an ideal world without want or hurt. As long that is the case, "hear me roar".

Cogito, ergo sum, ergo dico

So you've never killed a baby, never been raped and you personally know women that have went through the horrors you describe. Tell me, how does killing an innocent life help?

How does producing an wanted child help but enslave a woman? Don't we already have far too many unwanted and abused children in the world? How does taking a woman's freedom and body for nine months and leave her mentally scared help?

Used to be that babies were left by the water's edge for the elements or animals to take. We don't do that any more. There are safe drops for children. How many unwanted children are born addicts or suffers some birth defect? What of women who never get or can't get proper prenatal care? What of children that are so uneducated, immature or ill prepared that they don't even know they are pregnant? That the abuse they suffer would have such results?

How does that help?

How many have miscarriage and don't even know what is happening to them and discard the result in the garbage.

In the first trimester it is not life. Even in later trimesters there are medical reasons for abortions.

What of the life of the child or woman? Is that not life? Do they not matter? How does enslaving them make things right? What of their needs? How do you put their life back together? How do they move on?

Women are given options the day before any abortion in a clinic. 24 hr waiting period. It is their body and their decision.

What of the 20% of women suicide victims that were pregnant? You care nothing of their health and life? Maybe they could have been saved?

If you don't understand and are ill prepared for what is happening to their bodies hormones and often depression while pregnant, many literally feel like they are going crazy. With proper diet and care in most women, it passes. For some it can lead to suicide.

We have to care the girl/woman first if we want them to have healthy children at some point in their life.

Still True: Abortion Does Not Increase Women’s Risk of Mental Health Problems

Children should be wanted and loved, not just a result of unwanted breeding of women like cattle.

There is a time and place for everything. Rape, failed birth control and health matters does not make it the right time for women. It would be ideal if all pregnancies were both wanted and perfect. They aren't. As long as we are so complex and our lives are so complicated the option of abortions are necessary for women's mental and physical health.

No woman casually opts for an abortion. It is a last resort.

Don't want a child? Don't engage in activities that would produce a child. Easy enough!

Wow! You really don't know how to have a good sex life if that is all you think of sex. You are not doing it right.
Maybe female viagra is an option to start the learning off on the right foot.......or finding the right man.

Humans and dolphines have sex for pleasure, not just procreation. We have evolved from the ape and heightened out senses for the physical and mental well being we get from sex. There are classes you can take to learn how to "enjoy" sex.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Where did I suggest it didn't involve carrying the baby to term and delivering? I live on a planet that is infested with stupid people like you.

You're the stupid one. You say there are alternatives to abortion........if the woman doesn't want to be pregnant, there really are no alternatives, idiot.

There are alternatives. If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, she shouldn't engage in activities that may make her pregnant. MORON!!

You are truly stupid. Women get pregnant while practicing birth control often, idiot. Women who get raped don't seek out that activity that will get them pregnant, idiot. The 10-year old in the OP certainly didn't engage in the activity of being raped by choice, idiot. My, they don't make them any dopier than you.

Calm down Dilbert.

I was talking about women in general, not those unfortunate enough to get raped, but the idiots that engage in sex and then are surprised to learn they are pregnant. Everyone with half a brain, which includes you, knows that no birth control application is 100 percent. What IS 100 percent effective in not getting pregnant is keeping your legs closed.

Damn, arguing with you idiots is the highlight of my day.

Women in general? Every women is unique and their reason for resorting to an abortion is their own and like them unique.

Women in general? You don't have a wide experience in life or the life or women? Few women can be "in general"-ized. You have to take them one at a time with their own stories and needs.

Abortion is not "general" nor are the women who make that choice. Many are scared and desperate. Some are just not ready. Each case has it's own merits. It is a hard choice for them. But it is THEIR choice for their life.

Why do some think abortion is casual or general? Far from it. Only a fraction of women ever get or consider abortion. Legally and morally, it is their decision. You can't make it for them or force it on them because of "your" morals. If you are against abortion, don't have one. Stay our the life and choices or others.

Some people want to drive, others don't. Some want to own a house, others don't. Some want to get advanced education or training, others don't. Some choose to smoke or use drugs, others don't..............................
Some women want to be mothers, others don't. For women who can't have children, now there are options, even transplanting a womb or having a surrogate carry their egg.
Don't take the options way from a woman. It is her life, her right to choose.

I have four daughters that I raised as a single parent, so I know plenty about girls and/or women. None of my daughter have had unwanted pregnancies. They understand how the sex thing works. And yes, I was speaking about women in general. Generalities must be a strange concept to you.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Yea I see that happening. SMH

You clearly must have been raped before and felt compelled to kill the baby.

Never had an abortion. I have had two D&Cs for medical necessity and finally a hysterectomy because of fibroids.

I've know many girls and women that were victims of rape, abuse, genital mutilation and some escaping from being killed by family.

I've seen some of the horrors what what women have gone through and know some that eventually committed suicide. I've seen some of the desperation they have gone through in areas without support of females.

I've witnesses executions of women as well.

You listen to their stories and hold their hand. You do with you can to get them help but at the time there was little anyone could do. When no medicine was to be hand I shared folk and herbal suggestions but it can't help the mental and internal damage they suffered.

I still have nightmares from some of the things I've seen. Decades later they still haunt me.

Why should I be complacent about rape or abuse? Why should I not stand up for women's rights to their own body? Why should I let people try to take the right and choice away from women?

My experiences and knowledge make me more determined to speak. I might not be able to get around and physically be there but my fingers still work enough to share my voice.

People that try to suppress girls and women deserve to be stopped. It is not a matter of being pro-abortion but of being pro-women. Caring for the needs of women, for what they want, for their right to build back their lives, to heal.

Rapists and child abusers are up there near the top of my shit list. I'd like to put them all in front of firing squad but in the US, that is not possible.

If you have to question where my motivation stems from, you will never understand. You become part of the problem. You don't want to be the target of my venom, get out of the way. When I am dead I will stop speaking out.

I care about what the women need to move forward, beyond the abuse. What anyone else thinks is immaterial. We don't live in an ideal world without want or hurt. As long that is the case, "hear me roar".

Cogito, ergo sum, ergo dico

So you've never killed a baby, never been raped and you personally know women that have went through the horrors you describe. Tell me, how does killing an innocent life help?

How does producing an wanted child help but enslave a woman? Don't we already have far too many unwanted and abused children in the world? How does taking a woman's freedom and body for nine months and leave her mentally scared help?

Used to be that babies were left by the water's edge for the elements or animals to take. We don't do that any more. There are safe drops for children. How many unwanted children are born addicts or suffers some birth defect? What of women who never get or can't get proper prenatal care? What of children that are so uneducated, immature or ill prepared that they don't even know they are pregnant? That the abuse they suffer would have such results?

How does that help?

How many have miscarriage and don't even know what is happening to them and discard the result in the garbage.

In the first trimester it is not life. Even in later trimesters there are medical reasons for abortions.

What of the life of the child or woman? Is that not life? Do they not matter? How does enslaving them make things right? What of their needs? How do you put their life back together? How do they move on?

Women are given options the day before any abortion in a clinic. 24 hr waiting period. It is their body and their decision.

What of the 20% of women suicide victims that were pregnant? You care nothing of their health and life? Maybe they could have been saved?

If you don't understand and are ill prepared for what is happening to their bodies hormones and often depression while pregnant, many literally feel like they are going crazy. With proper diet and care in most women, it passes. For some it can lead to suicide.

We have to care the girl/woman first if we want them to have healthy children at some point in their life.

Still True: Abortion Does Not Increase Women’s Risk of Mental Health Problems

Children should be wanted and loved, not just a result of unwanted breeding of women like cattle.

There is a time and place for everything. Rape, failed birth control and health matters does not make it the right time for women. It would be ideal if all pregnancies were both wanted and perfect. They aren't. As long as we are so complex and our lives are so complicated the option of abortions are necessary for women's mental and physical health.

No woman casually opts for an abortion. It is a last resort.

Don't want a child? Don't engage in activities that would produce a child. Easy enough!

Wow! You really don't know how to have a good sex life if that is all you think of sex. You are not doing it right.
Maybe female viagra is an option to start the learning off on the right foot.......or finding the right man.

Humans and dolphines have sex for pleasure, not just procreation. We have evolved from the ape and heightened out senses for the physical and mental well being we get from sex. There are classes you can take to learn how to "enjoy" sex.

Number 3) Dolphins are one of the only animals to have sex for pleasure

This particular myth tends to pop up with regularity in conversation whenever the subject turns to sex. Even the writers at the ever vigilant snopes.com l end credence to this particular myth. The problem here is that volumes could be (and have been) written on the definition of sexual behavior in animals and the description of pleasure. It isn’t enough to simply go by the dictum that animals have sex to reproduce and therefore any sexual act occurring at times when egg fertilization is impossible must then be understood as occurring for reasons other than reproduction. The truth here is that animals almost never engage in a sexual act with the specific intent of producing offspring; during ovulation or otherwise. It is more accurate to state that animals (including humans and dolphins) are often driven to engage in sexual acts because the act itself is rewarding – it stimulates pleasure centers in the brain through the release of endorphins or other pleasure-inducing brain cocktails. The ultimate cause of this behavior is reproduction, but the proximate cause can be any combination of stimuli that happen to be present at the moment; pheromones, visual stimuli, etc. Occasionally these sexual acts occur at times when the female is not fertile, but it’s not a fertility-state that should be the litmus test for sexual pleasure – it should be the pleasure itself. So if you happen to spot two dung beetles engaged in a lengthy sexual act, you should still be able to state they these beetles are making whoopee for the sheer pleasure of the act itself. Who’s to say dung beetles don’t enjoy sex as much as humans do? Furthermore, what you and I might call a sexual act might be nothing of the kind for an animal like a dolphin. Dolphins often engage in forceful mounting behaviors involving erections that clearly do not involve reproduction, and in fact look more like social dominance or simple aggression. Is it fair to label this as sex for pleasure? Not really. It seems that the scope of the problem here is far too great to simply be summed up in a simple statement to the effect that dolphins engage in sex for pleasure and other animals do not. If it were this simple, we should all have great difficulty explaining why the neighbor’s poodle habitually mounts your leg whenever you pop over for a visit.

Top 5 dolphin myths - dispelled!

Now that we got that bullshit out of the way. Do you want to try again?

We evolved from apes? A theory that has never been proven.

More bullshit out of the way.

My point is that when a person engages in an activity that may result in becoming pregnant that they be responsible when and if the pregnancies occur. Killing an innocent life is not the only solution nor the last resort. People, particularly women need to think before they act. Abortion, in my opinion allows women to be irresponsible at an innocent life's expense.

 

[Mertex]

What you obviously do not get is that pregnancy is not meant to be a life threatening condition. If everyone who got pregnant aborted the babies, that would then be the end of man kind. Just because some have not made it through the pregnancy doesn't mean that everyone else who gets pregnant is going to kick the bucket if they do not abort.

You are really dense. I didn't say "all" pregnancies could be a life threatening condition, but your flippant attitude that no pregnancy is a threat to a woman's life is just plain ludicrous. And, nobody is suggesting that everybody get an abortion....you also have a problem in the comprehension area, probably why your responses sound so lame.

There will always be situations where a woman's life is in danger, or where the woman does not want to bear the child of a rapist, or like the OP, where a child is raped and forced to risk her life by carrying the child of the rapist. For that reason alone, we need to keep Roe v Wade available, whether or not you and "your ilk" think it's wrong.

 

[Mertex]

Can you imagine that the girl in Paraguay might in ten years from now be face to face with her rapist demanding his rights to the child or being forced to marry him and share a life with her rapist?
I don't know paraguay law, but in the US it could happen. You really think a victim should be faced with that in her future? No way to get her rapist out of her life?

It is one thing to be a rape victim of some random attack and another to know your rapist. A child raped for months or years having to be anywhere near the rapist ever again? To see the rapist in the face of the child? To be forced to share custody even while he is in jail? To be obligated by the court to take the child to see the rapist?

OMG! A swear the intelligence and the knowledge about women who have been victims of rape is next to nil, at least it seem that way judging by some of the posters.

No victim of rape wants to be reminded over and over of the rape. A girl or woman has be free to heal and move beyond and pick up the pieces of her life. Not nine month later or nineteen years later. The idea of being connected to the rapist is disgusting. I would have run in front of a bus. To meet him again, even the chance, to awaken the horrors all over again and be terrified and traumatized like it was just yesterday. That is insane.

Anyone that thinks a rape victim can wait nine month and just get beyond the rape is down right bonkers.

No rape victim should have to give birth and legally she is given the option of an abortion. No woman should ever have to live through a rape and she certainly should not have to be reminded over and over of what she experienced.

Most rape is by a man she or the family knows not some stranger. I'd shoot the man if I could and plead insanity. The though of seeing the man again would send chills down my spine. In some case where the girl might know the person, not report it and chance to meet the man in a social setting and not able to scream or attack him? In some places there is statute of limitation to report or charge the man.

The details and ifs and ors of every case should not be hashed out. This is not a law class.

No one should take the access of abortions away from the woman.

Yea I see that happening. SMH

You clearly must have been raped before and felt compelled to kill the baby.

Never had an abortion. I have had two D&Cs for medical necessity and finally a hysterectomy because of fibroids.

I've know many girls and women that were victims of rape, abuse, genital mutilation and some escaping from being killed by family.

I've seen some of the horrors what what women have gone through and know some that eventually committed suicide. I've seen some of the desperation they have gone through in areas without support of females.

I've witnesses executions of women as well.

You listen to their stories and hold their hand. You do with you can to get them help but at the time there was little anyone could do. When no medicine was to be hand I shared folk and herbal suggestions but it can't help the mental and internal damage they suffered.

I still have nightmares from some of the things I've seen. Decades later they still haunt me.

Why should I be complacent about rape or abuse? Why should I not stand up for women's rights to their own body? Why should I let people try to take the right and choice away from women?

My experiences and knowledge make me more determined to speak. I might not be able to get around and physically be there but my fingers still work enough to share my voice.

People that try to suppress girls and women deserve to be stopped. It is not a matter of being pro-abortion but of being pro-women. Caring for the needs of women, for what they want, for their right to build back their lives, to heal.

Rapists and child abusers are up there near the top of my shit list. I'd like to put them all in front of firing squad but in the US, that is not possible.

If you have to question where my motivation stems from, you will never understand. You become part of the problem. You don't want to be the target of my venom, get out of the way. When I am dead I will stop speaking out.

I care about what the women need to move forward, beyond the abuse. What anyone else thinks is immaterial. We don't live in an ideal world without want or hurt. As long that is the case, "hear me roar".

Cogito, ergo sum, ergo dico

So you've never killed a baby, never been raped and you personally know women that have went through the horrors you describe. Tell me, how does killing an innocent life help?

How does producing an wanted child help but enslave a woman? Don't we already have far too many unwanted and abused children in the world? How does taking a woman's freedom and body for nine months and leave her mentally scared help?

Used to be that babies were left by the water's edge for the elements or animals to take. We don't do that any more. There are safe drops for children. How many unwanted children are born addicts or suffers some birth defect? What of women who never get or can't get proper prenatal care? What of children that are so uneducated, immature or ill prepared that they don't even know they are pregnant? That the abuse they suffer would have such results?

How does that help?

How many have miscarriage and don't even know what is happening to them and discard the result in the garbage.

In the first trimester it is not life. Even in later trimesters there are medical reasons for abortions.

What of the life of the child or woman? Is that not life? Do they not matter? How does enslaving them make things right? What of their needs? How do you put their life back together? How do they move on?

Women are given options the day before any abortion in a clinic. 24 hr waiting period. It is their body and their decision.

What of the 20% of women suicide victims that were pregnant? You care nothing of their health and life? Maybe they could have been saved?

If you don't understand and are ill prepared for what is happening to their bodies hormones and often depression while pregnant, many literally feel like they are going crazy. With proper diet and care in most women, it passes. For some it can lead to suicide.

We have to care the girl/woman first if we want them to have healthy children at some point in their life.

Still True: Abortion Does Not Increase Women’s Risk of Mental Health Problems

Children should be wanted and loved, not just a result of unwanted breeding of women like cattle.

There is a time and place for everything. Rape, failed birth control and health matters does not make it the right time for women. It would be ideal if all pregnancies were both wanted and perfect. They aren't. As long as we are so complex and our lives are so complicated the option of abortions are necessary for women's mental and physical health.

No woman casually opts for an abortion. It is a last resort.

Don't want a child? Don't engage in activities that would produce a child. Easy enough!

Be sure to tell that to women that are raped, idiot. And, be sure to see that the 10 year old in the OP gets your message, too.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

What you obviously do not get is that pregnancy is not meant to be a life threatening condition. If everyone who got pregnant aborted the babies, that would then be the end of man kind. Just because some have not made it through the pregnancy doesn't mean that everyone else who gets pregnant is going to kick the bucket if they do not abort.

You are really dense. I didn't say "all" pregnancies could be a life threatening condition, but your flippant attitude that no pregnancy is a threat to a woman's life is just plain ludicrous. And, nobody is suggesting that everybody get an abortion....you also have a problem in the comprehension area, probably why your responses sound so lame.

There will always be situations where a woman's life is in danger, or where the woman does not want to bear the child of a rapist, or like the OP, where a child is raped and forced to risk her life by carrying the child of the rapist. For that reason alone, we need to keep Roe v Wade available, whether or not you and "your ilk" think it's wrong.

To me, anyone who thinks that an innocent baby isn't worth sparing is the scum of the earth.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[Darkwind]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Well, two things here....

Has anyone in this thread brought to light the fact that 99.999999999% of 10 year old girls can't have babies?

And I'm curious.....what magic does an abortion do that wipes the trauma of rape from the mind of a 10-year old girl?

 

[Mertex]

To me, anyone who thinks that an innocent baby isn't worth sparing is the scum of the earth.

To me, anyone who thinks a clump of cells (first tri-mester) or even a further along fetus is worth more than the full-grown woman (mother) when it puts her life at risk is not only ignorant, but insensitive to human life and worse than the scum of the earth.

 

[Lakhota]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Well, two things here....

Has anyone in this thread brought to light the fact that 99.999999999% of 10 year old girls can't have babies?

And I'm curious.....what magic does an abortion do that wipes the trauma of rape from the mind of a 10-year old girl?

You mean like having to give birth and care for her rapist's child? Gee, I don't know. I guess God decided she needed a living doll.