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Edit: I tell what... If you promoted that every state had to increase by 50% it's minimum wage over a period of time... THAT would actually make some sense. Because then you aren't destroying every micro state economy that doesn't already have a $15 minimum wage.I have NO desire to argue in circles. The way to do that is shut off the billions getting pored into the markets. It's not going to happen. I posted a link where the Fed argues they aren't about to stop.
Well.. Yeah... You want to take a KNOWN problem you don't like, and make it worse by doing the exact same thing another way. That makes all kinds of logical sense man.I have NO desire to argue in circles. The way to do that is shut off the billions getting pored into the markets. It's not going to happen. I posted a link where the Fed argues they aren't about to stop.
Edit: I tell what... If you promoted that every state had to increase by 50% it's minimum wage over a period of time... THAT would actually make some sense. Because then you aren't destroying every micro state economy that doesn't already have a $15 minimum wage.I have NO desire to argue in circles. The way to do that is shut off the billions getting pored into the markets. It's not going to happen. I posted a link where the Fed argues they aren't about to stop.
Fair?
I explained what would happen and why... You say that wouldn't be worse. We disagree. Again... if you give me an "oh shit moment" I didn't think of that. I'll thank you.You say it's worse, I say it isn't,
Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.
If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.
(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. central bank should not prematurely withdraw pandemic support for the U.S. economy just because some people are getting rich in the stock market, said San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank President Mary Daly.
“We’re building this bridge, which is barely having many communities hang on, and the stock market is running pretty good and many people who already have money are getting more money,” she said Friday during a virtual discussion hosted by the Stanford Graduate School of Business.
Fed’s Daly Pushes Back Against Pulling Policy Aid to Curb Stocks
But the working poor shouldn't get anything. Screw that.
See what fall apart?I'm not concerned over how it's done. I really want to see it all fall apart.
I explained what would happen and why... You say that wouldn't be worse. We disagree. Again... if you give me an "oh shit moment" I didn't think of that. I'll thank you.You say it's worse, I say it isn't,
Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.
If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.
(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. central bank should not prematurely withdraw pandemic support for the U.S. economy just because some people are getting rich in the stock market, said San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank President Mary Daly.
“We’re building this bridge, which is barely having many communities hang on, and the stock market is running pretty good and many people who already have money are getting more money,” she said Friday during a virtual discussion hosted by the Stanford Graduate School of Business.
Fed’s Daly Pushes Back Against Pulling Policy Aid to Curb Stocks
But the working poor shouldn't get anything. Screw that.
Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.
No that is a stupid claim. Absolutely stupid.
What makes the working poor fall further behind, is you jacking up the cost of labor, so they end up unemployed, and can't find a job.
You are the one who wants the working poor to be out of work, and fall further behind.
Every single time they raise the minimum wage, people lose their jobs. No exception.
As long as people like you, do not force people out of jobs with your idiotic policies, people can advance up the income ladder.
No one anywhere wants people to stay poor.
The difference is, we believe the solution to being poor, and people moving themselves up the income ladder.
You believe that people are incapable of doing that, because you are smug arrogant jerks... so you think you need government to fix the lives of other people.
But that never works. What works, is people working their way up. Not sitting around waiting for your fake savior government, to somehow make a law saying your life is better.
Did that work for Greece? They had a minimum wage indexed to inflation. Unemployment got so bad, that they CUT the minimum wage, and what a shock.... unemployed fell, as employers were able to higher people. Crazy how that works.
Almost like we on the right wing have predicted that for almost a hundred years.
See what fall apart?I'm not concerned over how it's done. I really want to see it all fall apart.
And... Doing it that way would actually be constructive if done right. It would have to be over several years, but it could be done with minimal harm to local economies.
You're the problem with this country.Maybe that's why Biden is going to flood our borders with Illegals again.Some companies will be able to afford $15 an hour MW and still be profitable. Most cannot and will either invest in automation, reduce staff, or hire illegals to survive. Many will go bankrupt.
Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage
Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…thehill.com
I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.
The Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to the point where employers will choose to automate their businesses, reduce staff, or eliminate low-wage workers altogether. We're already seeing this in the fast food and hospitality industries.
The Democrats' goal is, of course, to drive low-wage workers to unemployment and then onto welfare, where they can be more easily controlled. If the government is paying for your food rather than your employer, wouldn't you be more "willing" to go along with things like mandatory vaccines, only "approved" content on your social media, not questioning what your kids are being taught in school, etc.?
The government paying for our food,
Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop
So corporate farms can get billions but working stiffs shouldn't be able to make enough to survive on?
Just wait until those already here get the right to vote.
Doesn't matter... For California there is essentially no change. For Iowa, it's fucking catastrophic. And frankly California is NOT something I want to emulate.A $15 minimum wage isn't going to kick in all at once.
You're the problem with this country.Maybe that's why Biden is going to flood our borders with Illegals again.Some companies will be able to afford $15 an hour MW and still be profitable. Most cannot and will either invest in automation, reduce staff, or hire illegals to survive. Many will go bankrupt.Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage
Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…
I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.
The Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to the point where employers will choose to automate their businesses, reduce staff, or eliminate low-wage workers altogether. We're already seeing this in the fast food and hospitality industries.
The Democrats' goal is, of course, to drive low-wage workers to unemployment and then onto welfare, where they can be more easily controlled. If the government is paying for your food rather than your employer, wouldn't you be more "willing" to go along with things like mandatory vaccines, only "approved" content on your social media, not questioning what your kids are being taught in school, etc.?
The government paying for our food,
Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop
So corporate farms can get billions but working stiffs shouldn't be able to make enough to survive on?
Just wait until those already here get the right to vote.
Doesn't matter... For California there is essentially no change. For Iowa, it's fucking catastrophic. And frankly California is NOT something I want to emulate.A $15 minimum wage isn't going to kick in all at once.
The 6th largest economy in the world doesn't have the resources to pay off it's debt because they have no clue how to manage money. So... What to do? Fuck everyone else to get out of debt. Oh hell no.
Yes it is, if you over double the minimum wage, everything in price goes up. But liberals are too stupid to realize it.You're the problem with this country.Maybe that's why Biden is going to flood our borders with Illegals again.Some companies will be able to afford $15 an hour MW and still be profitable. Most cannot and will either invest in automation, reduce staff, or hire illegals to survive. Many will go bankrupt.Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage
Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…
I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.
The Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to the point where employers will choose to automate their businesses, reduce staff, or eliminate low-wage workers altogether. We're already seeing this in the fast food and hospitality industries.
The Democrats' goal is, of course, to drive low-wage workers to unemployment and then onto welfare, where they can be more easily controlled. If the government is paying for your food rather than your employer, wouldn't you be more "willing" to go along with things like mandatory vaccines, only "approved" content on your social media, not questioning what your kids are being taught in school, etc.?
The government paying for our food,
Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop
So corporate farms can get billions but working stiffs shouldn't be able to make enough to survive on?
Just wait until those already here get the right to vote.
It's not about me.
Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.
If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.
If you supported something that screws that up... You would be supporting what I just suggested about state percentage increases over a straight $15 minimum wage.Too bad. You understand the real problem and understand we are going to do nothing about it. I'm going to support anything that screws that up.
Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.
If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.
Please show us specifically what would happen to our economy with a Federal increase in the minimum wage to $15.00 per hour. How would that change affect the citizens of New York City which has a cost of living index of 100 and that of Jacksonville, FL which has a cost of living index of 74.57, and Cinncinatti, OH which has an index of 61.64.
If you cannot or will not show your work, your reliable source, and working link, we will know that you have not a clue and are simply parroting what your far-left liberal sources tell you to say.
You have no clue.
America: Cost of Living Index by City 2020
www.numbeo.com
If you supported something that screws that up... You would be supporting what I just suggested about state percentage increases over a straight $15 minimum wage.Too bad. You understand the real problem and understand we are going to do nothing about it. I'm going to support anything that screws that up.
You just essentially said you want to watch the world burn. Which must mean you are incredibly lonely. Are there really no people on earth that you want to better it for? No children at all, not even nieces or nephews?
*ponders*
Are you ok?
Company's move from country to country looking for those who will work for less money. That is how you build more profit, Most stuff is now made or grown in other country's. The American wage problem, IS an increase the only or best solution? why haven't we increased it a little every few years so business had time to adjust? or would it have mattered? where did this idea that those who start working for mim wage & get pay increases based on time with the company & doing good work that those jobs are s- - t & people doing them are stupid or some other negative you choice to label them. fact is not every one cares about getting rich, many people just want to do a days work go home & leave the job behind. And you used to be able to house & feed on those wages, what happened? I have way more questions than answers.
I thought you said it was a good thing, why wouldn't you want it to kick in all at once?A $15 minimum wage isn't going to kick in all at once.
Company's move from country to country looking for those who will work for less money. That is how you build more profit, Most stuff is now made or grown in other country's. The American wage problem, IS an increase the only or best solution? why haven't we increased it a little every few years so business had time to adjust? or would it have mattered? where did this idea that those who start working for mim wage & get pay increases based on time with the company & doing good work that those jobs are s- - t & people doing them are stupid or some other negative you choice to label them. fact is not every one cares about getting rich, many people just want to do a days work go home & leave the job behind. And you used to be able to house & feed on those wages, what happened? I have way more questions than answers.
That's partially true. So I worked at a company that outsourced to China. I was there, talking with the executives, when this issue came up.
The reason they outsourced to China was not as simple as "We make X profit here, and we'll make more profit there".
It was not a decision between we'll only make $50 Billion here, and if we outsource to there, we'll make $100 Billion.
Instead it was choice of "We'll make no profit if we make it here. We'll make a profit, if we make it there.".
The bottom line was, we could not produce the product in the US, and make any profit. It was either outsource and make profits from the outsourcing... or.... not make the product at all.
I thought you said it was a good thing, why wouldn't you want it to kick in all at once?A $15 minimum wage isn't going to kick in all at once.
