I don't really understand the Dems' "need," for lack of a better word, for a national $15 min wage.

[Dirk the Daring]

Company's move from country to country looking for those who will work for less money. That is how you build more profit, Most stuff is now made or grown in other country's. The American wage problem, IS an increase the only or best solution? why haven't we increased it a little every few years so business had time to adjust? or would it have mattered? where did this idea that those who start working for mim wage & get pay increases based on time with the company & doing good work that those jobs are s- - t & people doing them are stupid or some other negative you choice to label them. fact is not every one cares about getting rich, many people just want to do a days work go home & leave the job behind. And you used to be able to house & feed on those wages, what happened? I have way more questions than answers.

That's partially true. So I worked at a company that outsourced to China. I was there, talking with the executives, when this issue came up.

The reason they outsourced to China was not as simple as "We make X profit here, and we'll make more profit there".

It was not a decision between we'll only make $50 Billion here, and if we outsource to there, we'll make $100 Billion.

Instead it was choice of "We'll make no profit if we make it here. We'll make a profit, if we make it there.".

The bottom line was, we could not produce the product in the US, and make any profit. It was either outsource and make profits from the outsourcing... or.... not make the product at all.

B.S.

I went shoe shopping with the wife. I'm checking out the tennis shoes. All made in Vietnam, Indonesia and China. Priced from $50-$90. There is NO WAY we couldn't manufacture shoes here paying people $15 an hour and not do it profitably at those prices.

Sure we could. But those shoes instead would be $160-$200... and you'd look for a cheaper option. Because THAT is what consumers do...

 

[Dirk the Daring]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

So what? Wages merely need outpace inflation.

The problem in this scenario is the rate of inflation, NOT the wages. A large government, as democrats advocate for, is a BURDEN on the economy AND subsequently, the taxpayers. There are 3 ways our government collects revenues, and ALL THREE have a negative consequence to the wage earning American public.

 

[pknopp]

Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage

Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…

thehill.com

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

The Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to the point where employers will choose to automate their businesses, reduce staff, or eliminate low-wage workers altogether. We're already seeing this in the fast food and hospitality industries.

The Democrats' goal is, of course, to drive low-wage workers to unemployment and then onto welfare, where they can be more easily controlled. If the government is paying for your food rather than your employer, wouldn't you be more "willing" to go along with things like mandatory vaccines, only "approved" content on your social media, not questioning what your kids are being taught in school, etc.?

The government paying for our food,

Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop

So corporate farms can get billions but working stiffs shouldn't be able to make enough to survive on?

if you are a "working stiff" and the best you can do is a minimum wage job, you made some serious mistakes in your life.

Yeah, like not demanding the government stop the businesses from shipping the jobs overseas.

Do you know WHY businesses ship jobs overseas?

Greedy bastards.

You get half credit which is honestly better than I was expecting. Here's the plot twist though, YOU'RE THE GREEDY BASTARD responsible.

It's not about me.

Are you a consumer in this economy? Do you buy stuff? If so, then it is ALL ABOUT YOU. When you want to buy something, do you seek out the HIGHEST price? Or the lowest?

Manufacturers are charging $50-$90 for shoes made with slave labor. Don't preach to me about the price of things.

 

[pknopp]

Company's move from country to country looking for those who will work for less money. That is how you build more profit, Most stuff is now made or grown in other country's. The American wage problem, IS an increase the only or best solution? why haven't we increased it a little every few years so business had time to adjust? or would it have mattered? where did this idea that those who start working for mim wage & get pay increases based on time with the company & doing good work that those jobs are s- - t & people doing them are stupid or some other negative you choice to label them. fact is not every one cares about getting rich, many people just want to do a days work go home & leave the job behind. And you used to be able to house & feed on those wages, what happened? I have way more questions than answers.

That's partially true. So I worked at a company that outsourced to China. I was there, talking with the executives, when this issue came up.

The reason they outsourced to China was not as simple as "We make X profit here, and we'll make more profit there".

It was not a decision between we'll only make $50 Billion here, and if we outsource to there, we'll make $100 Billion.

Instead it was choice of "We'll make no profit if we make it here. We'll make a profit, if we make it there.".

The bottom line was, we could not produce the product in the US, and make any profit. It was either outsource and make profits from the outsourcing... or.... not make the product at all.

B.S.

I went shoe shopping with the wife. I'm checking out the tennis shoes. All made in Vietnam, Indonesia and China. Priced from $50-$90. There is NO WAY we couldn't manufacture shoes here paying people $15 an hour and not do it profitably at those prices.

Sure we could. But those shoes instead would be $160-$200... and you'd look for a cheaper option. Because THAT is what consumers do...

Cry all you want. It's going to happen.

 

[danielpalos]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

So what? Wages merely need outpace inflation.

The problem in this scenario is the rate of inflation, NOT the wages. A large government, as democrats advocate for, is a BURDEN on the economy AND subsequently, the taxpayers. There are 3 ways our government collects revenues, and ALL THREE have a negative consequence to the wage earning American public.

Yet, right wingers have no problem with the Big Government nanny-Statism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror. Why are right wingers so disingenuous?

 

[pknopp]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

So what? Wages merely need outpace inflation.

The problem in this scenario is the rate of inflation, NOT the wages. A large government, as democrats advocate for, is a BURDEN on the economy AND subsequently, the taxpayers. There are 3 ways our government collects revenues, and ALL THREE have a negative consequence to the wage earning American public.

Yet, right wingers have no problem with the Big Government nanny-Statism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror. Why are right wingers so disingenuous?

Look at how they are clamoring to have something done to stop people from legally buying stocks.

 

[danielpalos]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

So what? Wages merely need outpace inflation.

The problem in this scenario is the rate of inflation, NOT the wages. A large government, as democrats advocate for, is a BURDEN on the economy AND subsequently, the taxpayers. There are 3 ways our government collects revenues, and ALL THREE have a negative consequence to the wage earning American public.

Yet, right wingers have no problem with the Big Government nanny-Statism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror. Why are right wingers so disingenuous?

Look at how they are clamoring to have something done to stop people from legally buying stocks.

Even right wingers jumped on that bandwagon?. What happened to their dogma regarding free market Capitalism? Nothing but right wing dogma and indoctrination while blaming the left.

 

[Dadoalex]

Historically minimum wage increases have been followed with increased economic activity, increased employment, and an expansion of the workforce.

Then show us the evidence supporting your allegations. You know with a reliable source and working link. You can't, but I did. Step up, or move aside.

Since you insist on being made the fool...

History of Federal Minimum Wage Rates Under the Fair Labor Standards Act, 1938 - 2009

www.dol.gov

There's the link to wage increases. Let's use the bottom 5 rows as an example.

Sep 1, 1997 5	$5.15 for all covered, nonexempt workers	$5.15 for all covered, nonexempt workers	$5.15 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2007	$5.85 for all covered, nonexempt workers	$5.85 for all covered, nonexempt workers	$5.85 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2008	$6.55 for all covered, nonexempt workers	$6.55 for all covered, nonexempt workers	$6.55 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2009	$7.25 for all covered, nonexempt workers	$7.25 for all covered, nonexempt workers	$7.25 for all covered, nonexempt workers

2007: We were in the middle of the longest economic expansion in US history
2007-2009 Three increases that prefaced the 11 years of continuous growth

No, you can't blame the economic collapse on the minimum wage increase. The 07-09 increases were in response to the collapsing economy and were intended to get cash into the hands of the workers because, as I explained earlier, they spend the money and that spending increases economic activity.

Can I be done slapping you now?

You posted nothing to support your delusional vision.

Please show us the drastic drop in the rate of poverty each time the minimum wage increased.

Please, from your delusional memory, show where I said anything about poverty.

I spoke to economic and employment growth.

Rather than dispute the obvious truth why not open your eyes, wash out the cheeto dust and join us in reality.

 

[Dadoalex]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

And the customer response is????
C'mon! It's on the tip of your tongue!!!!!!!
Oh! too late.

The customers take their dollars elsewhere.

GEEZ! No wonder you people think lowering revenues increases revenues.

Hey, genius. What part of the word "everyone" confused you? What makes you think your policy is going to leave any "elsewhere" for them to go? You think if asinine minimum wage increases that increase operating costs and prices at McDonald's aren't also going to raise the operating costs and prices at Burger King and Wendy's?

Geez! No wonder you dimwits keep advocating economic policies that have nothing to do with actual economics.

And yet another cheeto sucker display their total ignorance of how business and the economy actually work.

Not to worry little one. I'm sure your welfare check is on the way.

 

[Dadoalex]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

So what? Wages merely need outpace inflation.

The problem in this scenario is the rate of inflation, NOT the wages. A large government, as democrats advocate for, is a BURDEN on the economy AND subsequently, the taxpayers. There are 3 ways our government collects revenues, and ALL THREE have a negative consequence to the wage earning American public.

Then shift the taxes over to those earning passively.

 

[Dadoalex]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

So what? Wages merely need outpace inflation.

The problem in this scenario is the rate of inflation, NOT the wages. A large government, as democrats advocate for, is a BURDEN on the economy AND subsequently, the taxpayers. There are 3 ways our government collects revenues, and ALL THREE have a negative consequence to the wage earning American public.

Yet, right wingers have no problem with the Big Government nanny-Statism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror. Why are right wingers so disingenuous?

Don't forget their need to stick a video camera of every vagina in grabbing distance.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

So what? Wages merely need outpace inflation.

The problem in this scenario is the rate of inflation, NOT the wages. A large government, as democrats advocate for, is a BURDEN on the economy AND subsequently, the taxpayers. There are 3 ways our government collects revenues, and ALL THREE have a negative consequence to the wage earning American public.

Yet, right wingers have no problem with the Big Government nanny-Statism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror. Why are right wingers so disingenuous?

YES! You're exactly right! Whichever party is in power, they just SPEND SPEND SPEND. It's why we're in the financial mess we're in now, no accountability from either side. Republicans TALK about cutting spending, which they should, but then never do. Trump just dug us all an even larger financial hole, and his followers praise him for it. It's ridiculous and absurd. Democrats don't even pretend anymore, they literally campaign on FREE THIS and FREE THAT, ignoring the fact that NOTHING IS FREE.

 

[Markle]

Please, from your delusional memory, show where I said anything about poverty.

I spoke to economic and employment growth.

Rather than dispute the obvious truth why not open your eyes, wash out the cheeto dust and join us in reality.

IF, you are discussing the minimum wage, how are you NOT talking about the rate of poverty?

 

[Cecilie1200]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

And the customer response is????
C'mon! It's on the tip of your tongue!!!!!!!
Oh! too late.

The customers take their dollars elsewhere.

GEEZ! No wonder you people think lowering revenues increases revenues.

Hey, genius. What part of the word "everyone" confused you? What makes you think your policy is going to leave any "elsewhere" for them to go? You think if asinine minimum wage increases that increase operating costs and prices at McDonald's aren't also going to raise the operating costs and prices at Burger King and Wendy's?

Geez! No wonder you dimwits keep advocating economic policies that have nothing to do with actual economics.

And yet another cheeto sucker display their total ignorance of how business and the economy actually work.

Not to worry little one. I'm sure your welfare check is on the way.

And yet another leftist thinking their ability to say, "Oh, you just like Trump, so you obviously don't know as much as I do" absolves them from any need to prove that they know shit.

Not to worry, little one. Your masters like you dumb. And I'm perfectly okay with accepting your surrender.

 

[dblack]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

And the customer response is????
C'mon! It's on the tip of your tongue!!!!!!!
Oh! too late.

The customers take their dollars elsewhere.

GEEZ! No wonder you people think lowering revenues increases revenues.

Hey, genius. What part of the word "everyone" confused you? What makes you think your policy is going to leave any "elsewhere" for them to go? You think if asinine minimum wage increases that increase operating costs and prices at McDonald's aren't also going to raise the operating costs and prices at Burger King and Wendy's?

Geez! No wonder you dimwits keep advocating economic policies that have nothing to do with actual economics.

And yet another cheeto sucker display their total ignorance of how business and the economy actually work.

Not to worry little one. I'm sure your welfare check is on the way.

And yet another leftist thinking their ability to say, "Oh, you just like Trump, so you obviously don't know as much as I do" absolves them from any need to prove that they know shit.

It is a low bar. Have you actually met any Trump voters?

 

[bendog]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

And the customer response is????
C'mon! It's on the tip of your tongue!!!!!!!
Oh! too late.

The customers take their dollars elsewhere.

GEEZ! No wonder you people think lowering revenues increases revenues.

Hey, genius. What part of the word "everyone" confused you? What makes you think your policy is going to leave any "elsewhere" for them to go? You think if asinine minimum wage increases that increase operating costs and prices at McDonald's aren't also going to raise the operating costs and prices at Burger King and Wendy's?

Geez! No wonder you dimwits keep advocating economic policies that have nothing to do with actual economics.

And yet another cheeto sucker display their total ignorance of how business and the economy actually work.

Not to worry little one. I'm sure your welfare check is on the way.

And yet another leftist thinking their ability to say, "Oh, you just like Trump, so you obviously don't know as much as I do" absolves them from any need to prove that they know shit.

It is a low bar. Have you actually met any Trump voters?

While it's sort of (-: off topic, imo Trump's insurrection changed things. There were things Trump did that I could support, and I'd actually supported a three trillion stimulus back in 16, although Rubio (and I think Cruz) initially wanted to aim it at wage earners to increase demand for products rather than products at lower costs, as the Mitch and Don Show did. Don't ask me why Don then started trade wars over cheap goods produced by mulitnationals owned by the same people to whom he gave the 3 trillion tax cut, Plus a corporate tax cut. That was stupid, and that's why the tax cut actually reduced govt revenue more than it increased tax collections from increased econ activity.

After you try to kill congress people and the VP, I think support has to wane …. or the Trumptard is worse than dumb.

As for the topic, there's nothing economically wrong is trying to stimulate the economy, in part, with upping federal worker wages. What may be economically wrong is the federal govt decreeing private employers offering jobs at the absolute bottom of the skill scale have to basically double the wage in low cost of living states. And raising the federal min wage, imo, is aimed at raising the entire wage scale. We're already talking about giving each of the low skill and federal workers $3400 in stimulus even if they didn't lose a job. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for UI and extended UI. It's helped my family.

 

[Dadoalex]

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Since everyone's cost increases, everyone has to raise their prices.

So what? Wages merely need outpace inflation.

The problem in this scenario is the rate of inflation, NOT the wages. A large government, as democrats advocate for, is a BURDEN on the economy AND subsequently, the taxpayers. There are 3 ways our government collects revenues, and ALL THREE have a negative consequence to the wage earning American public.

Yet, right wingers have no problem with the Big Government nanny-Statism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror. Why are right wingers so disingenuous?

YES! You're exactly right! Whichever party is in power, they just SPEND SPEND SPEND. It's why we're in the financial mess we're in now, no accountability from either side. Republicans TALK about cutting spending, which they should, but then never do. Trump just dug us all an even larger financial hole, and his followers praise him for it. It's ridiculous and absurd. Democrats don't even pretend anymore, they literally campaign on FREE THIS and FREE THAT, ignoring the fact that NOTHING IS FREE.

Maybe
But at least the Democrats make the effort to pay for what they legislate.
As opposed to the Republican view that cutting revenues increases revenues and their idiot followers who buy into that lie.

 

[Markle]

Maybe
But at least the Democrats make the effort to pay for what they legislate.
As opposed to the Republican view that cutting revenues increases revenues and their idiot followers who buy into that lie.

You're joking, right? Other than maybe 2020, please show us all where revenues decreased in 2017, 2018, 2019, or 2020 for that matter.

U.S. & WORLD ECONOMIES US ECONOMY
US Federal Government Tax Revenue

Fiscal Year	Revenue
FY 2021	$3.86 (estimated)
FY 2020	$3.71 trillion (estimated)
FY 2019	$3.46 trillion (actual)
FY 2018	$3.33 trillion
FY 2017	$3.32 trillion
FY 2016	$3.27 trillion
FY 2015	$3.25 trillion
FY 2014	$3.02 trillion
FY 2013	$2.77 trillion
FY 2012	$2.45 trillion
FY 2011	$2.30 trillion

U.S. Federal Government Tax Revenue

The federal government generates tax revenue through sources like income and corporate taxes. Learn how much tax revenue the U.S. generates each year.

www.thebalance.com

 

[RAYRAY]

Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage

Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…

thehill.com

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

15$ an hour will crush the growth of small business and that's what they want. Low wage jobs are supposed to be stepping stones not a lifetimes work. And you should see how many old men are stocking shelfs when teens should be on these jobs building a work ethic. But they cancelled the youth for cheap labor. Midterms better be a red wave or America is done.

 

[danielpalos]

Maybe
But at least the Democrats make the effort to pay for what they legislate.
As opposed to the Republican view that cutting revenues increases revenues and their idiot followers who buy into that lie.

You're joking, right? Other than maybe 2020, please show us all where revenues decreased in 2017, 2018, or 2019.

How much does that mean when both the deficit and the debt increased instead of decreased?

Year ..............Deficit (in billions) Debt increase.......ratio/gdp.......... event

2017	$665	$672	3.4%	Trump Tax Act
2018	$779	$1,271	3.8%	Deficit spending
2019	$984	$1,203	4.6%	Government shutdown

U.S. Budget Deficit by Year Compared to GDP and Debt

The federal budget deficit rises when government spending is high, such as during wars or recessions. Budget deficits cause the national debt to grow.

www.thebalance.com