I don't understand why republicans reject both a minimum wage hike and welfare for the poor

Because they want the super rich to have it all.

That's not possible, inheritance tax heard of it? Duh! Even with the trillions in wealth redistribution already going on you leftist socialist pukes want to steal even more from the people worked to earn it.
You are so thick. You live in a fantasy land. All i am talking about is raising the minimum wage. THAT'S IT. The wealthy will still be wealthy. The world will keep turning. Capitalism will thrive you ass.

So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.
So, you give 'em an increase in the minimum wage, then take away the food stamps, and factor-back-in the resulting inflation in prices, and they're right back where they started within a year or two, and looking for food stamps again, right?

You know as well as the rest of us that a lot of society's under-performers gravitate to those bottom-end slots and that they stay there for years on end without the slightest hint of effort to even FIND the stepping-stones, much less USE them.

The idea of raising the MW looks really good on paper - really good - so long as you don't look at the flip-side of the page.

Look, MW has been around for 77 years.
You all surround it with doom and gloom like it's an unknown. Can any of you show me how your scenarios have proven to be true for each increase in those 78years?
 
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Democrats haven't run things for 8 years.

They took over both houses of Congress in 2007 and the Executive in 2009.

And if dimocrap scum just love the working class so much......

How come they're fucking the working poor in the ass with this......

National Review

moron. Once you run out of dimocrap talking points, how do you even converse with other humans?

Think that might be holding you up a little bit :dunno:
 
Look, MW has been around for 78 years.
You all surround it with doom and gloom like it's an unknown. Can any of you show me how your scenarios have proven to be true for each increase in those 78years?

yer an idiot

The Minimum Wage Delusion And The Death Of Common Sense - Forbes

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Case Against Raising The Minimum Wage - Business Insider

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So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.


get a second job, thats what I did when I was young. Stop the whining and begging and self pity, and get off your ass and take responsibility for yourself.

I last worked a MW job
So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.


get a second job, thats what I did when I was young. Stop the whining and begging and self pity, and get off your ass and take responsibility for yourself.


I last worked a MW job 32 years ago while in HS. At that time every cashier or stocker anywhere you went was a HS kid. Not so much today. Who do you see working the register at the grocery store or any retail store? Not kids. You all need to stop recalling your success with MW and look realistically at how and who MW affects. Times have changed.


and why have those changes come about? any idea? Why are there fewer new good paying jobs in the USA? Why have many manufacturing jobs left this country? Why is there no longer a textile industry in this country? Why is there no longer a vibrant steel industry in this country? why is there no longer a commercial shipbuilding industry in this country?

Think about it--------------------the answer, taxes, regulations, and unions. Fix those things and this country will boom again, keep dems and libs in power and the decline will continue.

Globalization.
it's cheaper to produce somewhere else and ship it back half-way around the world. That's called profit motive.

Thanks for admitting that there are rungs missing on that ladder to success you all like to tout. 30 years ago I could pay college tuition while working MW. 30 years ago I could get on at the GM plant, the phone company, or any number of places where I was trained on the job and could make a great living. Times have changed.


Yes, times have changed, raising the MW would only make things worse. The problem is not MW, its the US corporate tax rate (highest in the world), US regulations on business, union demands, and yes, cheap foreign labor. Why not put high tariffs on products made overseas by US corporations, lower corporate tax rate for work done in the US, and ease foolish EPA regs that cost billions and accomplish nothing?
 
That's not possible, inheritance tax heard of it? Duh! Even with the trillions in wealth redistribution already going on you leftist socialist pukes want to steal even more from the people worked to earn it.
You are so thick. You live in a fantasy land. All i am talking about is raising the minimum wage. THAT'S IT. The wealthy will still be wealthy. The world will keep turning. Capitalism will thrive you ass.

So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.
So, you give 'em an increase in the minimum wage, then take away the food stamps, and factor-back-in the resulting inflation in prices, and they're right back where they started within a year or two, and looking for food stamps again, right?

You know as well as the rest of us that a lot of society's under-performers gravitate to those bottom-end slots and that they stay there for years on end without the slightest hint of effort to even FIND the stepping-stones, much less USE them.

The idea of raising the MW looks really good on paper - really good - so long as you don't look at the flip-side of the page.

Look, MW has been around for 77 years.
You all surround it with doom and gloom like it's an unknown. Can any of you show me how your scenarios have proven to be true for each increase in those 78years?


and there are fewer MW jobs now than 77 years ago, so what exactly has it accomplished?
 
That's not possible, inheritance tax heard of it? Duh! Even with the trillions in wealth redistribution already going on you leftist socialist pukes want to steal even more from the people worked to earn it.
You are so thick. You live in a fantasy land. All i am talking about is raising the minimum wage. THAT'S IT. The wealthy will still be wealthy. The world will keep turning. Capitalism will thrive you ass.

So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.
So, you give 'em an increase in the minimum wage, then take away the food stamps, and factor-back-in the resulting inflation in prices, and they're right back where they started within a year or two, and looking for food stamps again, right?

You know as well as the rest of us that a lot of society's under-performers gravitate to those bottom-end slots and that they stay there for years on end without the slightest hint of effort to even FIND the stepping-stones, much less USE them.

The idea of raising the MW looks really good on paper - really good - so long as you don't look at the flip-side of the page.

Look, MW has been around for 77 years.
You all surround it with doom and gloom like it's an unknown. Can any of you show me how your scenarios have proven to be true for each increase in those 78years?
Nope.

Don't really need to.

You can't raise the MW unless you have a consensus.

You do not have it.

Next slide, please.
 
Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Your question is answered easily with what I've been saying for a long time. Conservatives want to increase the gap between rich and poor.

Do you laugh like Bevis and Butthead after you make up ridiculous crap like that?

Name the conservative policies that are intended to decrease the gap between rich and poor.

Begging the question.

I've said this repeatedly. The goal of fiscal liberalism is to equalize the results regardless of effort put in. The goal of fiscal conservatism is to increase the equality of opportunity.

Free markets are the single answer to that question, you get out what you put in. Government has a role in free markets by providing civil and criminal courts to redress wrongs, to provide law enforcement. Government dictating results doesn't benefit anyone but government.

The "gap between the rich and the poor" is a political talking point for the left, it is not the government's job to dictate that. How many times has this been explained to you? A thousand? Ten thousand? At what point is it on you to grasp the point and address it rather than saying duh, dar, I don't get it. Explain how I get my goal in your system. Drool.

Stop sucking at your job and not giving a shit about your employer and your career will improve. Government will never actually do it for you. They do for themselves
 
With a higher mandatory minimum wage it would make sense to fire half the staff , rarely give increases, and promote less.
Sounds like a plan.
 
Because they want the super rich to have it all.

That's not possible, inheritance tax heard of it? Duh! Even with the trillions in wealth redistribution already going on you leftist socialist pukes want to steal even more from the people worked to earn it.
You are so thick. You live in a fantasy land. All i am talking about is raising the minimum wage. THAT'S IT. The wealthy will still be wealthy. The world will keep turning. Capitalism will thrive you ass.

Hey, its not my fault you are a stupid moron. One of the biggest problems in this country is idiot liberals and their feel good half baked doomed to fail ideas. I'll say this for you libs slowly one more time, raising the minimum wage doesn't solve the problem.
 
Progressive economic policy come with a 100% Guaranteed Fail. It creates only 2 classes of people: the ruling class and slaves
 
Because they want the super rich to have it all.

That's not possible, inheritance tax heard of it? Duh! Even with the trillions in wealth redistribution already going on you leftist socialist pukes want to steal even more from the people worked to earn it.
You are so thick. You live in a fantasy land. All i am talking about is raising the minimum wage. THAT'S IT. The wealthy will still be wealthy. The world will keep turning. Capitalism will thrive you ass.

So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.

In what country? Here in the US you get a welfare check, welfare food, welfare housing, welfare healthcare, welfare child care so you can go to a community college, welfare tuition at the community college, welfare transportation to/from the community college. Meanwhile your live in boyfriend who makes $50k a year working a job lets you buy new cars, save up for a house and live quite well since taxpayers are paying most of your bills. That's a real life story of a couple I know.
 
Because they want the super rich to have it all.

That's not possible, inheritance tax heard of it? Duh! Even with the trillions in wealth redistribution already going on you leftist socialist pukes want to steal even more from the people worked to earn it.
You are so thick. You live in a fantasy land. All i am talking about is raising the minimum wage. THAT'S IT. The wealthy will still be wealthy. The world will keep turning. Capitalism will thrive you ass.

So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.


get a second job, thats what I did when I was young. Stop the whining and begging and self pity, and get off your ass and take responsibility for yourself.

^^^ Outstanding post!
 
Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.
I'm not so sure a min wage hike is a great thing. Perhaps a small one, but paying fast food workers over 30K is hardly helpful when some college degree jobs don't pay much more. Wages haven't kept up with the growth in the economy, which has gone mostly to the top 1%. Tax credits for healthcare and easing access to higher education should be things republicans favor.
 
Because they want the super rich to have it all.

That's not possible, inheritance tax heard of it? Duh! Even with the trillions in wealth redistribution already going on you leftist socialist pukes want to steal even more from the people worked to earn it.
You are so thick. You live in a fantasy land. All i am talking about is raising the minimum wage. THAT'S IT. The wealthy will still be wealthy. The world will keep turning. Capitalism will thrive you ass.

So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.


get a second job, thats what I did when I was young. Stop the whining and begging and self pity, and get off your ass and take responsibility for yourself.

^^^ Outstanding post!
 
Perhaps give the $15 an hr jobs to high school grads only, with no criminal/drug convictions and a literacy exam.
Highest scores, most qualified applicants win.
Soooo Unfair !
 
Open borders and tens of thousands of illegals flooding the market for minimum wage jobs will certainly help current entry level workers.

Too f---ing funny.
 
Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Kindly explain to me how you can raise one segment of the work force's pay without raising ALL of the work force's pay, Billy? Do you not grasp that's something that would have to happen? Do you also not grasp that raising everyone's pay doesn't really do anything for the poor since the cost of goods and services would go up right along with that increased pay? Do you really gain anything if you make fifteen dollars an hour and the cost of everything you buy goes up substantially? It's a con game, Billy and you're getting suckered into believing it's viable economics.
^^ absolutely.
 

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