i fear ukraine will lose the war

[Crepitus]

You lied about me two times today. The last is above.

I have not.

 

[krichton]

I don't think they will win or lose, the war has ground down to a stalemate. Both sides have exhausted their supply of manpower and weapons, and are in defensive positions that really haven't moved significantly in more than a year.

The only real question is, when does the Ukraine and her western backers face reality and sit down at the negotiating table to end this.

What good is a negotiated peace deal when you know Putin will back out of it the moment he has an opportunity to recoup his loses and sees an opening? Are we really this naive? This is precisely what he did in Chechnya. He did this in Ukraine before and after the war began, ffs. You can't trust a single thing that Putin says. It's no wonder why Trump admires him so.

A stalemate isn't quite what is going on in Ukraine. It only appears that way. The problem with Ukraine is that they don't have enough advanced weapons to move forward or control the airspace. That should change soon with F16s and the introduction of possibly thousands of GLSDB bombs, with a range that covers the entirety of the Donbas and all controlled territory, including half of Crimea. With such poor air defenses there is nowhere safe in Ukraine for Russia.

 

[Ringo]

In Europe, it's time for different covers

"He's winning?
Kiev's counter-offensive has failed. The Russian army is consolidating its gains and bombing across Ukraine. Meanwhile, Western sanctions have not weakened the Russian economy. After two years of bloody war, Vladimir Putin is stronger than ever in anticipation of a March election that will reassert his power."

 

[JoeB131]

What good is a negotiated peace deal when you know Putin will back out of it the moment he has an opportunity to recoup his loses and sees an opening? Are we really this naive? This is precisely what he did in Chechnya. He did this in Ukraine before and after the war began, ffs. You can't trust a single thing that Putin says. It's no wonder why Trump admires him so.

Any negotiated peace will have to involve allowing Ukraine to join NATO and the EU after borders are redrawn to prevent Putin from trying this again. That is what Putin is going to have to give up, any possibility of bringing the rest of Ukraine back into Russia's orbit. This has worked fine with the Baltic States, who joined NATO and Putin hasn't dared mess with them.

A stalemate isn't quite what is going on in Ukraine. It only appears that way. The problem with Ukraine is that they don't have enough advanced weapons to move forward or control the airspace. That should change soon with F16s and the introduction of possibly thousands of GLSDB bombs, with a range that covers the entirety of the Donbas and all controlled territory, including half of Crimea. With such poor air defenses there is nowhere safe in Ukraine for Russia.

Um, no, it's a stalemate. Weapons are beside the point; Ukraine has used up most of its available manpower, with 35,000 killed and 100,000 wounded. They've simply run out of available men to throw at the Russians, who are pretty much locked down in static defense in depth.

 

[krichton]

Any negotiated peace will have to involve allowing Ukraine to join NATO and the EU after borders are redrawn to prevent Putin from trying this again. That is what Putin is going to have to give up, any possibility of bringing the rest of Ukraine back into Russia's orbit. This has worked fine with the Baltic States, who joined NATO and Putin hasn't dared mess with them.



Um, no, it's a stalemate. Weapons are beside the point; Ukraine has used up most of its available manpower, with 35,000 killed and 100,000 wounded. They've simply run out of available men to throw at the Russians, who are pretty much locked down in static defense in depth.

Putin will never accept those terms and neither will Zelenski.

I think there are way more than 35,000 killed on the Ukrainian side. Where are you getting this number from? Currently, Ukraine has half a million active and reserve fighters. That's more than enough to fight this war. There are even reports it could be up to 1.3 million, with the bulk of it in reservists. They just need weapons.

 

[Robert W]

What good is a negotiated peace deal when you know Putin will back out of it the moment he has an opportunity to recoup his loses and sees an opening? Are we really this naive? This is precisely what he did in Chechnya. He did this in Ukraine before and after the war began, ffs. You can't trust a single thing that Putin says. It's no wonder why Trump admires him so.

A stalemate isn't quite what is going on in Ukraine. It only appears that way. The problem with Ukraine is that they don't have enough advanced weapons to move forward or control the airspace. That should change soon with F16s and the introduction of possibly thousands of GLSDB bombs, with a range that covers the entirety of the Donbas and all controlled territory, including half of Crimea. With such poor air defenses there is nowhere safe in Ukraine for Russia.

Those F16s should already be waging war for Ukraine. Biden has treated Ukraine poorly by not giving him those F16s super fast. Trump wanted to try a new path to solving the problem in Russia and he fooled you by talking as if Putin was a friend. But Trump knew early on Putin was not our friend. Frankly in the future that I won't predict, it might turn out that Zelensky is also not our friend.

 

[krichton]

Those F16s should already be waging war for Ukraine. Biden has treated Ukraine poorly by not giving him those F16s super fast. Trump wanted to try a new path to solving the problem in Russia and he fooled you by talking as if Putin was a friend. But Trump knew early on Putin was not our friend. Frankly in the future that I won't predict, it might turn out that Zelensky is also not our friend.

Trump would do anything for Putin, including selling out America, a country he has very little loyalty. He would give his right nut to be one of Putin's oligarchs.

 

[skye]

Zelensky lost the war a long time ago.

The writing was on the wall.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Zelensky lost the war a long time ago.

The writing was on the wall.

You are a clown.

 

[Silver Cat]

Why?

First of all, because Russia has nukes and determined to use them if necessary (actually, they prone to use nukes even if it's not that necessary). They can escalate to the levels of local or even all-out nuclear war and the USA can't. So, they can win just by raising bets (while they want to win with lowest possible level of violence and destruction).
Second, as I said earlier - Russia allied with China (and now with India, Brazil and the half of the world, too) is unbeatable economically, and China allied with Russia is unbeatable militarily.
Third (and most important) , Biden just don't want to win a war for America. All what he wants is to get some money for himself (and his family and his cronies). And when China pays, he do what he was paid for - he push Russia towards China, he try to increase their codependency and he try to destroy America.

 

[Silver Cat]

What good is a negotiated peace deal when you know Putin will back out of it the moment he has an opportunity to recoup his loses and sees an opening? Are we really this naive? This is precisely what he did in Chechnya. He did this in Ukraine before and after the war began, ffs. You can't trust a single thing that Putin says. It's no wonder why Trump admires him so.

A stalemate isn't quite what is going on in Ukraine. It only appears that way. The problem with Ukraine is that they don't have enough advanced weapons to move forward or control the airspace. That should change soon with F16s and the introduction of possibly thousands of GLSDB bombs, with a range that covers the entirety of the Donbas and all controlled territory, including half of Crimea. With such poor air defenses there is nowhere safe in Ukraine for Russia.

F-16 is a nuclear delivery system, so the Russians might just nuke those airfields and continue the war. The problem is that Russia can escalate to the level of a limited or even all-out nuclear war, and the USA can't.

 

[Silver Cat]

Trump would do anything for Putin, including selling out America, a country he has very little loyalty. He would give his right nut to be one of Putin's oligarchs.

Actually, no. But even if he were, he can make a mutually profitable deal with the Russians and Biden can't. Trump needs to make America great again (even if he wants to sell it to Russians), and Biden is simply destroying it.

 

[JoeB131]

Putin will never accept those terms and neither will Zelenski.

I think there are way more than 35,000 killed on the Ukrainian side. Where are you getting this number from? Currently, Ukraine has half a million active and reserve fighters. That's more than enough to fight this war. There are even reports it could be up to 1.3 million, with the bulk of it in reservists. They just need weapons.

the problem with these numbers is that 1.3 million might be potential reservists, but it doesn't mean they are fit for service.

There's a reason why Ukrainian forces are currently at about 300,000. That's all they can really sustain with the logistics and training they have.

Zelensky lost the war a long time ago.

The writing was on the wall.

Zelensky doubted the ONE TRUE GOD, ORANGE JESUS!!!!

 

[Crepitus]

(actually, they prone to use nukes even if it's not that necessary)

They have never used a nuclear weapon is any way but tests.

 

[Silver Cat]

They have never used a nuclear weapon is any way but tests.

"But tests, drills and deterrence", you know. Yes, they haven't, but it doesn't mean that they won't use them. Actually, while modern American politicians and public mostly see nukes as "practically useless and even dangerous relic of the past", in Russia politicians and public opinion see the nuclear weapons (and decisiveness to use them) as the only thing that stays between them and the fate of Serbia or Iraq.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Silver Cat, stop using the laced catnip and go take a nap.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I don't think they will win or lose, the war has ground down to a stalemate. Both sides have exhausted their supply of manpower and weapons, and are in defensive positions that really haven't moved significantly in more than a year.

The only real question is, when does the Ukraine and her western backers face reality and sit down at the negotiating table to end this.

More like when will Russia admit it has wasted a good percentage of a million lives lost and injured and decades of military production and accomplished nothing?

 

[Silver Cat]

More like when will Russia admit it has wasted a good percentage of a million lives lost and injured and decades of military production and accomplished nothing?

Four rich regions (six, if you also count Crimea and Sevastopol) and millions of liberated ethnic Russians is not "nothing", but, of course, they want more.

 

[krichton]

the problem with these numbers is that 1.3 million might be potential reservists, but it doesn't mean they are fit for service.

There's a reason why Ukrainian forces are currently at about 300,000. That's all they can really sustain with the logistics and training they have.


Zelensky doubted the ONE TRUE GOD, ORANGE JESUS!!!!

It's not 1.3 million reservists, more like 800,000. That's one number being floated around. If so, half a million active duty fighters is a lot of soldiers.

 

[JoeB131]

More like when will Russia admit it has wasted a good percentage of a million lives lost and injured and decades of military production and accomplished nothing?

Probably not until after Putin is gone, but that doesn't mean they'll withdraw from the territories they have.

They've exchanged trade with the west for trade with China and India, so the economic effects are minimal.