I find it very disturbing

[PratchettFan]

The problem here is that Republicans see gays as a lifestyle choice and a "belief".

Gays just "are". No belief. No choice. They just "are".

You say that as if all Republicans are the same. I am a Republican and I don't see it that way.

 

[rightwinger]

I think what we have is just fine to resolve the issue. It is, in fact, being resolved. It just takes time.

Nope, we are spinning our wheels. Put it to a vote, settle it once and for all.

What makes you think you can vote on what rights others are allowed to have?

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for supper

 

[Seawytch]

As a conservative, I have an instinctual opposition to public accommodation laws, even though they serve a "public good".

The thing is, the ability of a business owner to run their business as they see fit is also a public good.

Bear with me for a moment. I'm going to get all spiritual-like for a bit.

God gave us free will for the reason that he did not want us to be angels. He wanted us to be able to choose how we demonstrate our love for him and for each other. Otherwise we would just be creatures of perfection and no choice. Where's the point in that? This was a tremendous gift God gave us.

But that meant God had to deal with the risk and the fact that many of us would not behave like angels.

Just so with freedom. Sometimes freedom is ugly. But we cannot have it any other way unless we are forced to surrender all of our will to the State, and then we have utterly lost our freedom.

We need to come to terms with that and stop trying to force people to be perfect robotic angels.

The late great Bill Buckley popularized the term "immanentize the eschaton" for this attempt to make Earth into a liberal paradise.

It just can't be done, kids. As humans, we need free will.


Now, WHITES ONLY lunch counters did not exist in a vacuum. They had a raft of Jim Crow laws and the force of a hostile government toward blacks behind them. The idiot racists forced the issue and their intransigence and corruption handed the liberals a government victory on a silver platter. We live with the results of their stupidity to this day.

A STRAIGHTS ONLY bakery would not have the grossly unconstitutional advantages of Jim Crow. But now we labor under the gross advantages given to those who have usurped our free will.

Let the STRAIGHTS ONLY bakeries be. Don't let those bigoted assholes be responsible for further encroachments on our freedom. The People should be free to decide if a STRAIGHTS ONLY business deserves commerce, not the government.

The only real way to defeat bigotry is not by force, but by more freedom and more speech and more understanding.

What is the difference between WHITES ONLY and STRAIGHTS ONLY?

I think he's saying that there is no difference, just that businesses should be able to be straight only or white only if they want to be...a proposal I'm certainly not 100% against, I just don't think we are as "there" yet as he thinks we are.

Sure, someone who is gay or Muslim or perceived to be gay or Muslim CAN just "go somewhere else" if they live in a place where there is a "somewhere else".

I don't live in one of those places. If a business here chose not to do business with me because I'm gay, there are a lot of services I would not get. If the only septic service that will come to my home won't...I'm shit out of luck literally. If I need to grab a dozen eggs and the only store in town won't sell them, I've got to drive an hour for the next dozen eggs.

I'm all about the hybrids though...so how about if there is more than one business that can provide the service within, say, a ten mile radius...you get to have your whites/straights/christians only businesses?

 

[Seawytch]

Homosexuality is a behavior.

Heterosexuality is a behavior
Religion is a behavior
Serving in the military is a behavior

And?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

That the threads that get the most posts are the ones on gays. I guess that issue divides the US like no other issue. There are very strong feelings on both sides, and both sides sometimes make good arguments.

The only way to resolve it is to let the people speak by voting. We need either a national referendum on gay marriage or a constitutional amendment on it. Let the people decide and lets all live by that decision.

The anti-gay side have no good arguements. Other than religious, there is no civil reason to deny LGB persons equal rights the rest of society already enjoy.

 

[Edgetho]

Eight Topics on this fucking board on the front fucking page about butt-rangers, carpet munchers and deviants. IN POLITICS!!!

This Board is a fucking joke any more. It really is.

Just re-name it, "The dimocrap scum little tiny genitalia whining message board"

Half the Moderators in here need to be replaced

 

[PratchettFan]

As a conservative, I have an instinctual opposition to public accommodation laws, even though they serve a "public good".

The thing is, the ability of a business owner to run their business as they see fit is also a public good.

Bear with me for a moment. I'm going to get all spiritual-like for a bit.

God gave us free will for the reason that he did not want us to be angels. He wanted us to be able to choose how we demonstrate our love for him and for each other. Otherwise we would just be creatures of perfection and no choice. Where's the point in that? This was a tremendous gift God gave us.

But that meant God had to deal with the risk and the fact that many of us would not behave like angels.

Just so with freedom. Sometimes freedom is ugly. But we cannot have it any other way unless we are forced to surrender all of our will to the State, and then we have utterly lost our freedom.

We need to come to terms with that and stop trying to force people to be perfect robotic angels.

The late great Bill Buckley popularized the term "immanentize the eschaton" for this attempt to make Earth into a liberal paradise.

It just can't be done, kids. As humans, we need free will.


Now, WHITES ONLY lunch counters did not exist in a vacuum. They had a raft of Jim Crow laws and the force of a hostile government toward blacks behind them. The idiot racists forced the issue and their intransigence and corruption handed the liberals a government victory on a silver platter. We live with the results of their stupidity to this day.

A STRAIGHTS ONLY bakery would not have the grossly unconstitutional advantages of Jim Crow. But now we labor under the gross advantages given to those who have usurped our free will.

Let the STRAIGHTS ONLY bakeries be. Don't let those bigoted assholes be responsible for further encroachments on our freedom. The People should be free to decide if a STRAIGHTS ONLY business deserves commerce, not the government.

The only real way to defeat bigotry is not by force, but by more freedom and more speech and more understanding.

What is the difference between WHITES ONLY and STRAIGHTS ONLY?

I think he's saying that there is no difference, just that businesses should be able to be straight only or white only if they want to be...a proposal I'm certainly not 100% against, I just don't think we are as "there" yet as he thinks we are.

Sure, someone who is gay or Muslim or perceived to be gay or Muslim CAN just "go somewhere else" if they live in a place where there is a "somewhere else".

I don't live in one of those places. If a business here chose not to do business with me because I'm gay, there are a lot of services I would not get. If the only septic service that will come to my home won't...I'm shit out of luck literally. If I need to grab a dozen eggs and the only store in town won't sell them, I've got to drive an hour for the next dozen eggs.

I'm all about the hybrids though...so how about if there is more than one business that can provide the service within, say, a ten mile radius...you get to have your whites/straights/christians only businesses?

That would depend upon the state law. The constitutional issue here is equal protection. So long as the laws are applied equally, there is no problem.

 

[rightwinger]

Eight Topics on this fucking board on the front fucking page about butt-rangers, carpet munchers and deviants. IN POLITICS!!!

This Board is a fucking joke any more. It really is.

Just re-name it, "The dimocrap scum little tiny genitalia whining message board"

Half the Moderators in here need to be replaced

Gay marriage arguments were just heard by the Supreme Court

That's politics

If your side would just concede the obvious, the issue would go away

 

[PratchettFan]

Eight Topics on this fucking board on the front fucking page about butt-rangers, carpet munchers and deviants. IN POLITICS!!!

This Board is a fucking joke any more. It really is.

Just re-name it, "The dimocrap scum little tiny genitalia whining message board"

Half the Moderators in here need to be replaced

Can't deal with the temptation? All you have to do is not click on it.[/QUOTE]

 

[Seawytch]

Eight Topics on this fucking board on the front fucking page about butt-rangers, carpet munchers and deviants. IN POLITICS!!!

This Board is a fucking joke any more. It really is.

Just re-name it, "The dimocrap scum little tiny genitalia whining message board"

Half the Moderators in here need to be replaced

Yeah...who keeps starting these "gay" threads?

LET THEM EAT CAKE US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
America s Re-Education Camps US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Eight Topics on this fucking board on the front fucking page about butt-rangers, carpet munchers and deviants. IN POLITICS!!!

This Board is a fucking joke any more. It really is.

Just re-name it, "The dimocrap scum little tiny genitalia whining message board"

Half the Moderators in here need to be replaced

Yeah...who keeps starting these "gay" threads?

LET THEM EAT CAKE US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
America s Re-Education Camps US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Amusing how despite claiming to be straight, "straight" posters write 10x as many gay-subject threads as actual members of the LGBT community.

 

[Edgetho]

Amusing how despite claiming to be straight, "straight" posters write 10x as many gay-subject threads as actual members of the LGBT community.

The principles of Mathematics escape you, don't they you stupid fuck?

There are FIFTY TIMES AS MANY STRAIGHT PEOPLE AS THERE ARE BUTT RANGERS AND CARPET MUNCHERS.

So us posting ten times as much as you types, is STILL 80% less than you do.

Stick to asking your customers if they want Fries with that order.

The number one political stories of the year can't get a decent thread going in here, but start a fucking butt-ranger thread and dimocraps are all over it.

this place is pathetic.

 

[Redfish]

As a conservative, I have an instinctual opposition to public accommodation laws, even though they serve a "public good".

The thing is, the ability of a business owner to run their business as they see fit is also a public good.

Bear with me for a moment. I'm going to get all spiritual-like for a bit.

God gave us free will for the reason that he did not want us to be angels. He wanted us to be able to choose how we demonstrate our love for him and for each other. Otherwise we would just be creatures of perfection and no choice. Where's the point in that? This was a tremendous gift God gave us.

But that meant God had to deal with the risk and the fact that many of us would not behave like angels.

Just so with freedom. Sometimes freedom is ugly. But we cannot have it any other way unless we are forced to surrender all of our will to the State, and then we have utterly lost our freedom.

We need to come to terms with that and stop trying to force people to be perfect robotic angels.

The late great Bill Buckley popularized the term "immanentize the eschaton" for this attempt to make Earth into a liberal paradise.

It just can't be done, kids. As humans, we need free will.


Now, WHITES ONLY lunch counters did not exist in a vacuum. They had a raft of Jim Crow laws and the force of a hostile government toward blacks behind them. The idiot racists forced the issue and their intransigence and corruption handed the liberals a government victory on a silver platter. We live with the results of their stupidity to this day.

A STRAIGHTS ONLY bakery would not have the grossly unconstitutional advantages of Jim Crow. But now we labor under the gross advantages given to those who have usurped our free will.

Let the STRAIGHTS ONLY bakeries be. Don't let those bigoted assholes be responsible for further encroachments on our freedom. The People should be free to decide if a STRAIGHTS ONLY business deserves commerce, not the government.

The only real way to defeat bigotry is not by force, but by more freedom and more speech and more understanding.

What is the difference between WHITES ONLY and STRAIGHTS ONLY?

one is race, the other is a sexual abnormality.

 

[Redfish]

Refusing to call a gay union a marriage does not reduce them to second class status, thats a ridiculous statement.

If, as you claim, the majority of americans approve of gay marriage and want to sanction it, then have congress pass a law making it so.

Your problem is that you are actually smart enough to realize that the majority does not support it so the gay agenda must use the "its in the constitution" argument which fails every time.

Since court after court agrees "it's in the Constitution" your last comment is obviously false. We shall see what the SC says later this year.

You are free to call it anything you like. However, if the state calls it marriage for one group it has to call it marriage for another. That is what people don't seem to get. This is about how the state treats citizens. This has no impact upon you unless you want to marry someone of the same sex. If not, then you are not affected in any manner.

If the SCOTUS rules that gay marriage is legal, then so be it. But that will not change my mind about what is right and what is wrong. You members of the gay mafia want to mandate how people think, that is the real danger here. Read Orwell or Rand, you might get it.

And, such a ruling will legally open the door for all kinds of multiple marriages, relative marriages, etc.

Be careful what you wish for.

No one is requiring you to change your mind. However, I think it is the anti-SSM side which wants to mandate how people think. Or at least what people are allowed to express. Happily, that is changing.

Nope, what I want is for society as a whole to decide these societal issues of right and wrong. One judge with an agenda should not decide something that affects all of society.

I am perfectly willing to accept the will of the majority, are you?

No, I'm not. I am willing for the law to be applied in accordance with the Constitution. That is how our society works. We are not based upon mob rule. We are based upon the law.

YES, AND LAWS ARE PASSED BY MAJORITY VOTE, THE CONSTITUTION WAS RATIFIED BY MAJORITY VOTE, OUR LEADERS ARE ELECTED BY MAJORITY VOTE. MAJORITY VOTE IS NOT MOB RULE, ITS DEMOCRACY. MINORITY RIGHTS WERE ESTABLISHED BY MAJORITY VOTE.

MINORITY MANDATE IS TYRANNY.

FORGET THE GAY AGENDA. THIS IS ABOUT HOW OUR SOCIETY DECIDES WHAT IT CONSIDERS RIGHT AND WRONG.

iF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE A MINORITY DECIDES HOW WE LIVE, MOVE TO FRICKEN NORTH KOREA.

 

[Redfish]

As a conservative, I have an instinctual opposition to public accommodation laws, even though they serve a "public good".

The thing is, the ability of a business owner to run their business as they see fit is also a public good.

Bear with me for a moment. I'm going to get all spiritual-like for a bit.

God gave us free will for the reason that he did not want us to be angels. He wanted us to be able to choose how we demonstrate our love for him and for each other. Otherwise we would just be creatures of perfection and no choice. Where's the point in that? This was a tremendous gift God gave us.

But that meant God had to deal with the risk and the fact that many of us would not behave like angels.

Just so with freedom. Sometimes freedom is ugly. But we cannot have it any other way unless we are forced to surrender all of our will to the State, and then we have utterly lost our freedom.

We need to come to terms with that and stop trying to force people to be perfect robotic angels.

The late great Bill Buckley popularized the term "immanentize the eschaton" for this attempt to make Earth into a liberal paradise.

It just can't be done, kids. As humans, we need free will.


Now, WHITES ONLY lunch counters did not exist in a vacuum. They had a raft of Jim Crow laws and the force of a hostile government toward blacks behind them. The idiot racists forced the issue and their intransigence and corruption handed the liberals a government victory on a silver platter. We live with the results of their stupidity to this day.

A STRAIGHTS ONLY bakery would not have the grossly unconstitutional advantages of Jim Crow. But now we labor under the gross advantages given to those who have usurped our free will.

Let the STRAIGHTS ONLY bakeries be. Don't let those bigoted assholes be responsible for further encroachments on our freedom. The People should be free to decide if a STRAIGHTS ONLY business deserves commerce, not the government.

The only real way to defeat bigotry is not by force, but by more freedom and more speech and more understanding.

continuing to equate race with sexual orientation is a loser for you and your cause. Got anything else?

Really? We don't seem to be the side losing...

What you keep ignoring is the fact that race and sexual orientation are not being compared, bigots are. (which is why it pisses the bigots off)

the bigotry and bias are yours. You hate and demonize everyone who does bow to the PC gods of the gay agenda. you call us hateful, bigoted, ignorant. You are intolerant of any viewpoint but yours.

YOU are the bigot here.

 

[rightwinger]

As a conservative, I have an instinctual opposition to public accommodation laws, even though they serve a "public good".

The thing is, the ability of a business owner to run their business as they see fit is also a public good.

Bear with me for a moment. I'm going to get all spiritual-like for a bit.

God gave us free will for the reason that he did not want us to be angels. He wanted us to be able to choose how we demonstrate our love for him and for each other. Otherwise we would just be creatures of perfection and no choice. Where's the point in that? This was a tremendous gift God gave us.

But that meant God had to deal with the risk and the fact that many of us would not behave like angels.

Just so with freedom. Sometimes freedom is ugly. But we cannot have it any other way unless we are forced to surrender all of our will to the State, and then we have utterly lost our freedom.

We need to come to terms with that and stop trying to force people to be perfect robotic angels.

The late great Bill Buckley popularized the term "immanentize the eschaton" for this attempt to make Earth into a liberal paradise.

It just can't be done, kids. As humans, we need free will.


Now, WHITES ONLY lunch counters did not exist in a vacuum. They had a raft of Jim Crow laws and the force of a hostile government toward blacks behind them. The idiot racists forced the issue and their intransigence and corruption handed the liberals a government victory on a silver platter. We live with the results of their stupidity to this day.

A STRAIGHTS ONLY bakery would not have the grossly unconstitutional advantages of Jim Crow. But now we labor under the gross advantages given to those who have usurped our free will.

Let the STRAIGHTS ONLY bakeries be. Don't let those bigoted assholes be responsible for further encroachments on our freedom. The People should be free to decide if a STRAIGHTS ONLY business deserves commerce, not the government.

The only real way to defeat bigotry is not by force, but by more freedom and more speech and more understanding.

What is the difference between WHITES ONLY and STRAIGHTS ONLY?

one is race, the other is a sexual abnormality.

Both are groups wishing to choose their own marriage partners without unwarranted government intervention

 

[rdean]

As a conservative, I have an instinctual opposition to public accommodation laws, even though they serve a "public good".

The thing is, the ability of a business owner to run their business as they see fit is also a public good.

Bear with me for a moment. I'm going to get all spiritual-like for a bit.

God gave us free will for the reason that he did not want us to be angels. He wanted us to be able to choose how we demonstrate our love for him and for each other. Otherwise we would just be creatures of perfection and no choice. Where's the point in that? This was a tremendous gift God gave us.

But that meant God had to deal with the risk and the fact that many of us would not behave like angels.

Just so with freedom. Sometimes freedom is ugly. But we cannot have it any other way unless we are forced to surrender all of our will to the State, and then we have utterly lost our freedom.

We need to come to terms with that and stop trying to force people to be perfect robotic angels.

The late great Bill Buckley popularized the term "immanentize the eschaton" for this attempt to make Earth into a liberal paradise.

It just can't be done, kids. As humans, we need free will.


Now, WHITES ONLY lunch counters did not exist in a vacuum. They had a raft of Jim Crow laws and the force of a hostile government toward blacks behind them. The idiot racists forced the issue and their intransigence and corruption handed the liberals a government victory on a silver platter. We live with the results of their stupidity to this day.

A STRAIGHTS ONLY bakery would not have the grossly unconstitutional advantages of Jim Crow. But now we labor under the gross advantages given to those who have usurped our free will.

Let the STRAIGHTS ONLY bakeries be. Don't let those bigoted assholes be responsible for further encroachments on our freedom. The People should be free to decide if a STRAIGHTS ONLY business deserves commerce, not the government.

The only real way to defeat bigotry is not by force, but by more freedom and more speech and more understanding.

What is the difference between WHITES ONLY and STRAIGHTS ONLY?

Many "STRAIGHTS ONLY" conservative whites are down low closet gays?

 

[Redfish]

As a conservative, I have an instinctual opposition to public accommodation laws, even though they serve a "public good".

The thing is, the ability of a business owner to run their business as they see fit is also a public good.

Bear with me for a moment. I'm going to get all spiritual-like for a bit.

God gave us free will for the reason that he did not want us to be angels. He wanted us to be able to choose how we demonstrate our love for him and for each other. Otherwise we would just be creatures of perfection and no choice. Where's the point in that? This was a tremendous gift God gave us.

But that meant God had to deal with the risk and the fact that many of us would not behave like angels.

Just so with freedom. Sometimes freedom is ugly. But we cannot have it any other way unless we are forced to surrender all of our will to the State, and then we have utterly lost our freedom.

We need to come to terms with that and stop trying to force people to be perfect robotic angels.

The late great Bill Buckley popularized the term "immanentize the eschaton" for this attempt to make Earth into a liberal paradise.

It just can't be done, kids. As humans, we need free will.


Now, WHITES ONLY lunch counters did not exist in a vacuum. They had a raft of Jim Crow laws and the force of a hostile government toward blacks behind them. The idiot racists forced the issue and their intransigence and corruption handed the liberals a government victory on a silver platter. We live with the results of their stupidity to this day.

A STRAIGHTS ONLY bakery would not have the grossly unconstitutional advantages of Jim Crow. But now we labor under the gross advantages given to those who have usurped our free will.

Let the STRAIGHTS ONLY bakeries be. Don't let those bigoted assholes be responsible for further encroachments on our freedom. The People should be free to decide if a STRAIGHTS ONLY business deserves commerce, not the government.

The only real way to defeat bigotry is not by force, but by more freedom and more speech and more understanding.

What is the difference between WHITES ONLY and STRAIGHTS ONLY?

one is race, the other is a sexual abnormality.

Both are groups wishing to choose their own marriage partners without unwarranted government intervention

so are the multiple marriage advocates. What will you tell them?

 

[rightwinger]

As a conservative, I have an instinctual opposition to public accommodation laws, even though they serve a "public good".

The thing is, the ability of a business owner to run their business as they see fit is also a public good.

Bear with me for a moment. I'm going to get all spiritual-like for a bit.

God gave us free will for the reason that he did not want us to be angels. He wanted us to be able to choose how we demonstrate our love for him and for each other. Otherwise we would just be creatures of perfection and no choice. Where's the point in that? This was a tremendous gift God gave us.

But that meant God had to deal with the risk and the fact that many of us would not behave like angels.

Just so with freedom. Sometimes freedom is ugly. But we cannot have it any other way unless we are forced to surrender all of our will to the State, and then we have utterly lost our freedom.

We need to come to terms with that and stop trying to force people to be perfect robotic angels.

The late great Bill Buckley popularized the term "immanentize the eschaton" for this attempt to make Earth into a liberal paradise.

It just can't be done, kids. As humans, we need free will.


Now, WHITES ONLY lunch counters did not exist in a vacuum. They had a raft of Jim Crow laws and the force of a hostile government toward blacks behind them. The idiot racists forced the issue and their intransigence and corruption handed the liberals a government victory on a silver platter. We live with the results of their stupidity to this day.

A STRAIGHTS ONLY bakery would not have the grossly unconstitutional advantages of Jim Crow. But now we labor under the gross advantages given to those who have usurped our free will.

Let the STRAIGHTS ONLY bakeries be. Don't let those bigoted assholes be responsible for further encroachments on our freedom. The People should be free to decide if a STRAIGHTS ONLY business deserves commerce, not the government.

The only real way to defeat bigotry is not by force, but by more freedom and more speech and more understanding.

What is the difference between WHITES ONLY and STRAIGHTS ONLY?

one is race, the other is a sexual abnormality.

Both are groups wishing to choose their own marriage partners without unwarranted government intervention

so are the multiple marriage advocates. What will you tell them?

I tell them it is none of my business if consenting adults wish to have multiple partners

 

[Redfish]

OK. mpds

I started this thread hoping to get some rational discussion on why gar rights is such a big issue in this country when we have much more critical issues facing us.

I should have known that it would degrade to an insult contest like all gay threads.

Please close it. We are wasting time.