i love that alec baldwin as Trump on snl...

[HappyJoy]

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Hillary attacking victims of her sexual predator husband was way worse

How so? Document it.

Obviously you already know, you're just playing the "no it isn't" game

I'm giving you an opportunity that you don't appear to want to take. Says bunches.

And that's why when they just say Hillary said worse they get mad when you don't just believe them. They won't show it to you and instead get mad that you had the nerve to ask what Kaz I'd talking about.

I think at least in Kaz' situation he's stupid enough to buy into this bullshit but smart enough to know that his source for information is unqualified at best.

 

[HappyJoy]

Hillary attacking victims of her sexual predator husband was way worse

How so? Document it.

Obviously you already know, you're just playing the "no it isn't" game

I'm giving you an opportunity that you don't appear to want to take. Says bunches.

And that's why when they just say Hillary said worse they get mad when you don't just believe them. They won't show it to you and instead get mad that you had the nerve to ask what Kaz I'd talking about.

You think I expected either of you nitwits to believe me?



OMG, every time I think you people can't get any more stupid. That's classic

And here you are deflecting from the discussion that you are unable to back up your own point.

 

[kaz]

How so? Document it.

Obviously you already know, you're just playing the "no it isn't" game

I'm giving you an opportunity that you don't appear to want to take. Says bunches.

And that's why when they just say Hillary said worse they get mad when you don't just believe them. They won't show it to you and instead get mad that you had the nerve to ask what Kaz I'd talking about.

You think I expected either of you nitwits to believe me?



OMG, every time I think you people can't get any more stupid. That's classic

And here you are deflecting from the discussion that you are unable to back up your own point.

Liberals really miss the playground, don't you?

 

[HappyJoy]

How so? Document it.

Obviously you already know, you're just playing the "no it isn't" game

I'm giving you an opportunity that you don't appear to want to take. Says bunches.

The opportunity for you to keep saying no it isn't? Thanks for that, quite an offer

I didn't say 'no it isn't', you did. If you can't back up your own point that's fine, live with it. But don't blame me for your shortcomings.

I blame you for not being intellectually honest

Of course you do, even though this conversation only originated because you are unwilling or can't back up your own point. And you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty because you fail to make a point? There is a word for that.

 

[Auld Phart]

Never thought much of him as a comedian myself

He was great on 30 Rock

One of the reasons I didn't watch it.

 

[HappyJoy]

Obviously you already know, you're just playing the "no it isn't" game

I'm giving you an opportunity that you don't appear to want to take. Says bunches.

And that's why when they just say Hillary said worse they get mad when you don't just believe them. They won't show it to you and instead get mad that you had the nerve to ask what Kaz I'd talking about.

You think I expected either of you nitwits to believe me?



OMG, every time I think you people can't get any more stupid. That's classic

And here you are deflecting from the discussion that you are unable to back up your own point.

Liberals really miss the playground, don't you?

Why even respond when you can't back up your point?

 

[kaz]

Never thought much of him as a comedian myself

He was great on 30 Rock

One of the reasons I didn't watch it.

Sure, they were liberal. But the show didn't have an agenda, that's all I ask. They made more fun of liberals than conservatives on the show

 

[kaz]

I'm giving you an opportunity that you don't appear to want to take. Says bunches.

And that's why when they just say Hillary said worse they get mad when you don't just believe them. They won't show it to you and instead get mad that you had the nerve to ask what Kaz I'd talking about.

You think I expected either of you nitwits to believe me?



OMG, every time I think you people can't get any more stupid. That's classic

And here you are deflecting from the discussion that you are unable to back up your own point.

Liberals really miss the playground, don't you?

Why even respond when you can't back up your point?

There's a difference between can't and won't. I personally don't waste my time doing research for people who aren't intellectually engaged even if they do go all playground on me. The limit of your capabilities I'm sure

 

[Mac1958]

Was there something in my post with which you disagree?.

Not so much disagree, just an opinion. "both sides are the same", they aren't.

Correct, they are not "the same".

But the ends of the spectrum do share many behaviors, as loathe as they are to admit it.
.

The ends of the spectrum are not the same. Show me where the far left is running the Clinton campaign? What is the far left? ALF? PETA? What? Hell, even Black Lives Matter lives outside of the Clinton campaign. And in case you haven't noticed from those emails, she is not owned by the far left.

Donald Trump is running through a greatest hits of far right wing conspiracies. He was the leader of the fucking birther movement for crying out loud. His campaign CEO (why CEO?) was the president for the gateway site to the alt-right movement. Trump is a big fan of Alex Jones and white supremacists in this country, on this board openly support Trump.

Both ends of the spectrum share many behaviors? No, one of them is being mainstreamed by a major political party and one of them is not.

Again, and I thought I was clear, the ends of the spectrum are not "the same".

However, they share many behaviors, particularly in political rhetoric and debate, such as:

1. Denial
2. Deflection
3. Distortion
4. Hyperbole
   
5. Straw Man Arguments
6. Personal Insults
7. Name-Calling
8. Obtuseness
   
9. Outright Lies

These behaviors -- seemingly deployed as naturally as breathing for them -- make it essentially impossible to have extended honest conversations with them.

If you're really going to deny that, that would fit very nicely into #1.
.

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Yet another example of the type of dishonest straw man argument to which I referred earlier, and the reason it's so difficult to communicate with hardcore partisan ideologues.

I twice specifically said that both sides are not "the same", merely that they share many behaviors.

And then you say "So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way?"

I've reached the conclusion that both the perceptions and thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues are distorted. You literally can't help yourselves. Both ends.

You're a fascinating psychological / sociological / anthropological study, but trying to have a normal conversation with you is pointless.
.

 

[HappyJoy]

And that's why when they just say Hillary said worse they get mad when you don't just believe them. They won't show it to you and instead get mad that you had the nerve to ask what Kaz I'd talking about.

You think I expected either of you nitwits to believe me?



OMG, every time I think you people can't get any more stupid. That's classic

And here you are deflecting from the discussion that you are unable to back up your own point.

Liberals really miss the playground, don't you?

Why even respond when you can't back up your point?

There's a difference between can't and won't. I personally don't waste my time doing research for people who aren't intellectually engaged even if they do go all playground on me. The limit of your capabilities I'm sure

There is a difference between can't and won't and you can't and won't prove your own point.

EDIT: To speed this up I'm going to follow up with asking you how the mainstream right and left treat these groups.

 

[HappyJoy]

Not so much disagree, just an opinion. "both sides are the same", they aren't.

Correct, they are not "the same".

But the ends of the spectrum do share many behaviors, as loathe as they are to admit it.
.

The ends of the spectrum are not the same. Show me where the far left is running the Clinton campaign? What is the far left? ALF? PETA? What? Hell, even Black Lives Matter lives outside of the Clinton campaign. And in case you haven't noticed from those emails, she is not owned by the far left.

Donald Trump is running through a greatest hits of far right wing conspiracies. He was the leader of the fucking birther movement for crying out loud. His campaign CEO (why CEO?) was the president for the gateway site to the alt-right movement. Trump is a big fan of Alex Jones and white supremacists in this country, on this board openly support Trump.

Both ends of the spectrum share many behaviors? No, one of them is being mainstreamed by a major political party and one of them is not.

Again, and I thought I was clear, the ends of the spectrum are not "the same".

However, they share many behaviors, particularly in political rhetoric and debate, such as:

1. Denial
2. Deflection
3. Distortion
4. Hyperbole
   
5. Straw Man Arguments
6. Personal Insults
7. Name-Calling
8. Obtuseness
   
9. Outright Lies

These behaviors -- seemingly deployed as naturally as breathing for them -- make it essentially impossible to have extended honest conversations with them.

If you're really going to deny that, that would fit very nicely into #1.
.

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Yet another example of the type of dishonest straw man argument to which I referred earlier, and the reason it's so difficult to communicate with hardcore partisan ideologues.

I twice specifically said that both sides are not "the same", merely that they share many behaviors.

And then you say "So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way?"

I've reached the conclusion that both the perceptions and thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues are distorted. You literally can't help yourselves.
.

What groups on the far right and far left commit the same acts?

 

[Mac1958]

Correct, they are not "the same".

But the ends of the spectrum do share many behaviors, as loathe as they are to admit it.
.

The ends of the spectrum are not the same. Show me where the far left is running the Clinton campaign? What is the far left? ALF? PETA? What? Hell, even Black Lives Matter lives outside of the Clinton campaign. And in case you haven't noticed from those emails, she is not owned by the far left.

Donald Trump is running through a greatest hits of far right wing conspiracies. He was the leader of the fucking birther movement for crying out loud. His campaign CEO (why CEO?) was the president for the gateway site to the alt-right movement. Trump is a big fan of Alex Jones and white supremacists in this country, on this board openly support Trump.

Both ends of the spectrum share many behaviors? No, one of them is being mainstreamed by a major political party and one of them is not.

Again, and I thought I was clear, the ends of the spectrum are not "the same".

However, they share many behaviors, particularly in political rhetoric and debate, such as:

1. Denial
2. Deflection
3. Distortion
4. Hyperbole
   
5. Straw Man Arguments
6. Personal Insults
7. Name-Calling
8. Obtuseness
   
9. Outright Lies

These behaviors -- seemingly deployed as naturally as breathing for them -- make it essentially impossible to have extended honest conversations with them.

If you're really going to deny that, that would fit very nicely into #1.
.

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Yet another example of the type of dishonest straw man argument to which I referred earlier, and the reason it's so difficult to communicate with hardcore partisan ideologues.

I twice specifically said that both sides are not "the same", merely that they share many behaviors.

And then you say "So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way?"

I've reached the conclusion that both the perceptions and thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues are distorted. You literally can't help yourselves.
.

What groups on the far right and far left commit the same acts?

I don't know. Why do you ask?

Looking forward to your answer. Let's see if you can avoid a dishonest straw man argument.
.

 

[HappyJoy]

The ends of the spectrum are not the same. Show me where the far left is running the Clinton campaign? What is the far left? ALF? PETA? What? Hell, even Black Lives Matter lives outside of the Clinton campaign. And in case you haven't noticed from those emails, she is not owned by the far left.

Donald Trump is running through a greatest hits of far right wing conspiracies. He was the leader of the fucking birther movement for crying out loud. His campaign CEO (why CEO?) was the president for the gateway site to the alt-right movement. Trump is a big fan of Alex Jones and white supremacists in this country, on this board openly support Trump.

Both ends of the spectrum share many behaviors? No, one of them is being mainstreamed by a major political party and one of them is not.

Again, and I thought I was clear, the ends of the spectrum are not "the same".

However, they share many behaviors, particularly in political rhetoric and debate, such as:

1. Denial
2. Deflection
3. Distortion
4. Hyperbole
   
5. Straw Man Arguments
6. Personal Insults
7. Name-Calling
8. Obtuseness
   
9. Outright Lies

These behaviors -- seemingly deployed as naturally as breathing for them -- make it essentially impossible to have extended honest conversations with them.

If you're really going to deny that, that would fit very nicely into #1.
.

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Yet another example of the type of dishonest straw man argument to which I referred earlier, and the reason it's so difficult to communicate with hardcore partisan ideologues.

I twice specifically said that both sides are not "the same", merely that they share many behaviors.

And then you say "So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way?"

I've reached the conclusion that both the perceptions and thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues are distorted. You literally can't help yourselves.
.

What groups on the far right and far left commit the same acts?

I don't know. Why do you ask?

Looking forward to your answer. Let's see if you can avoid a dishonest straw man argument.
.

I want to know your gunge of what you think the far right and left are, you've never said.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Not so much disagree, just an opinion. "both sides are the same", they aren't.

Correct, they are not "the same".

But the ends of the spectrum do share many behaviors, as loathe as they are to admit it.
.

The ends of the spectrum are not the same. Show me where the far left is running the Clinton campaign? What is the far left? ALF? PETA? What? Hell, even Black Lives Matter lives outside of the Clinton campaign. And in case you haven't noticed from those emails, she is not owned by the far left.

Donald Trump is running through a greatest hits of far right wing conspiracies. He was the leader of the fucking birther movement for crying out loud. His campaign CEO (why CEO?) was the president for the gateway site to the alt-right movement. Trump is a big fan of Alex Jones and white supremacists in this country, on this board openly support Trump.

Both ends of the spectrum share many behaviors? No, one of them is being mainstreamed by a major political party and one of them is not.

Again, and I thought I was clear, the ends of the spectrum are not "the same".

However, they share many behaviors, particularly in political rhetoric and debate, such as:

1. Denial
2. Deflection
3. Distortion
4. Hyperbole
   
5. Straw Man Arguments
6. Personal Insults
7. Name-Calling
8. Obtuseness
   
9. Outright Lies

These behaviors -- seemingly deployed as naturally as breathing for them -- make it essentially impossible to have extended honest conversations with them.

If you're really going to deny that, that would fit very nicely into #1.
.

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Yet another example of the type of dishonest straw man argument to which I referred earlier, and the reason it's so difficult to communicate with hardcore partisan ideologues.

I twice specifically said that both sides are not "the same", merely that they share many behaviors.

And then you say "So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way?"

I've reached the conclusion that both the perceptions and thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues are distorted. You literally can't help yourselves.
.

Everyone on earth displays those human behaviors. Expecting humans to not display those behaviors when they become politicians is an impossible bar to clear and leaves room for constant disappointment because you're expecting humans to not be human.

And cut the partisan ideologue bs. I laid out specific examples of false equivilecies. You in turn dismiss those specific examples to talk about ideologues. Nice pivot tho

 

[Auld Phart]

Never thought much of him as a comedian myself

He was great on 30 Rock

One of the reasons I didn't watch it.

Sure, they were liberal. But the show didn't have an agenda, that's all I ask. They made more fun of liberals than conservatives on the show

Haven't watched him since The Shadow.

and his earlier roles didn't show much promise IMO

 

[Mac1958]

Correct, they are not "the same".

But the ends of the spectrum do share many behaviors, as loathe as they are to admit it.
.

The ends of the spectrum are not the same. Show me where the far left is running the Clinton campaign? What is the far left? ALF? PETA? What? Hell, even Black Lives Matter lives outside of the Clinton campaign. And in case you haven't noticed from those emails, she is not owned by the far left.

Donald Trump is running through a greatest hits of far right wing conspiracies. He was the leader of the fucking birther movement for crying out loud. His campaign CEO (why CEO?) was the president for the gateway site to the alt-right movement. Trump is a big fan of Alex Jones and white supremacists in this country, on this board openly support Trump.

Both ends of the spectrum share many behaviors? No, one of them is being mainstreamed by a major political party and one of them is not.

Again, and I thought I was clear, the ends of the spectrum are not "the same".

However, they share many behaviors, particularly in political rhetoric and debate, such as:

1. Denial
2. Deflection
3. Distortion
4. Hyperbole
   
5. Straw Man Arguments
6. Personal Insults
7. Name-Calling
8. Obtuseness
   
9. Outright Lies

These behaviors -- seemingly deployed as naturally as breathing for them -- make it essentially impossible to have extended honest conversations with them.

If you're really going to deny that, that would fit very nicely into #1.
.

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Yet another example of the type of dishonest straw man argument to which I referred earlier, and the reason it's so difficult to communicate with hardcore partisan ideologues.

I twice specifically said that both sides are not "the same", merely that they share many behaviors.

And then you say "So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way?"

I've reached the conclusion that both the perceptions and thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues are distorted. You literally can't help yourselves.
.

Everyone on earth displays those human behaviors. Expecting humans to not display those behaviors when they become politicians is an impossible bar to clear and leaves room for constant disappointment because you're expecting humans to not be human.

And cut the partisan ideologue bs. I laid out specific examples of false equivilecies. You in turn dismiss those specific examples to talk about ideologues. Nice pivot tho

Just pointing out your characteristic dishonesty again tho
,

 

[HappyJoy]

The ends of the spectrum are not the same. Show me where the far left is running the Clinton campaign? What is the far left? ALF? PETA? What? Hell, even Black Lives Matter lives outside of the Clinton campaign. And in case you haven't noticed from those emails, she is not owned by the far left.

Donald Trump is running through a greatest hits of far right wing conspiracies. He was the leader of the fucking birther movement for crying out loud. His campaign CEO (why CEO?) was the president for the gateway site to the alt-right movement. Trump is a big fan of Alex Jones and white supremacists in this country, on this board openly support Trump.

Both ends of the spectrum share many behaviors? No, one of them is being mainstreamed by a major political party and one of them is not.

Again, and I thought I was clear, the ends of the spectrum are not "the same".

However, they share many behaviors, particularly in political rhetoric and debate, such as:

1. Denial
2. Deflection
3. Distortion
4. Hyperbole
   
5. Straw Man Arguments
6. Personal Insults
7. Name-Calling
8. Obtuseness
   
9. Outright Lies

These behaviors -- seemingly deployed as naturally as breathing for them -- make it essentially impossible to have extended honest conversations with them.

If you're really going to deny that, that would fit very nicely into #1.
.

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Yet another example of the type of dishonest straw man argument to which I referred earlier, and the reason it's so difficult to communicate with hardcore partisan ideologues.

I twice specifically said that both sides are not "the same", merely that they share many behaviors.

And then you say "So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way?"

I've reached the conclusion that both the perceptions and thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues are distorted. You literally can't help yourselves.
.

Everyone on earth displays those human behaviors. Expecting humans to not display those behaviors when they become politicians is an impossible bar to clear and leaves room for constant disappointment because you're expecting humans to not be human.

And cut the partisan ideologue bs. I laid out specific examples of false equivilecies. You in turn dismiss those specific examples to talk about ideologues. Nice pivot tho

Just pointing out your characteristic dishonesty again tho
,

Be real, you're now deflecting and it's on your list milquetoast.

 

[Mac1958]

Again, and I thought I was clear, the ends of the spectrum are not "the same".

However, they share many behaviors, particularly in political rhetoric and debate, such as:

1. Denial
2. Deflection
3. Distortion
4. Hyperbole
   
5. Straw Man Arguments
6. Personal Insults
7. Name-Calling
8. Obtuseness
   
9. Outright Lies

These behaviors -- seemingly deployed as naturally as breathing for them -- make it essentially impossible to have extended honest conversations with them.

If you're really going to deny that, that would fit very nicely into #1.
.

So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way? One thing I can't stand is the false equivilecies argument used this year.

Donald Trump says grab em by the Pussy = Clinton has said bad things too!

Trump skips out on taxes = uhh so does Soros!

Trump can't find the line between mean and funny at a Dinner and gets booed = Clinton had mean jokes too!

And don't forget the left is just like the right. No differences and if there are differences...they both don't REALLY care about those because they are all terrible.

Some of you guys need a pick me up, some happy pills or at least some glass half full lenses.

Yet another example of the type of dishonest straw man argument to which I referred earlier, and the reason it's so difficult to communicate with hardcore partisan ideologues.

I twice specifically said that both sides are not "the same", merely that they share many behaviors.

And then you say "So both sides show human traits and that means they are the same in every way?"

I've reached the conclusion that both the perceptions and thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues are distorted. You literally can't help yourselves.
.

What groups on the far right and far left commit the same acts?

I don't know. Why do you ask?

Looking forward to your answer. Let's see if you can avoid a dishonest straw man argument.
.

I want to know your gunge of what you think the far right and left are, you've never said.

They are the people on both ends of the spectrum who regularly exhibit the behaviors I specifically outlined in post 69.
.

 

[Mac1958]

Hardcore partisan ideologues HATE being compared to those on the other end, those they so loathe.

Good.
.

 

[HappyJoy]

Hardcore partisan ideologues HATE being compared to those on the other end, those they so loathe.

Good.
.

You can't even name groups on the far right or left and now you are distorting the arguments of others. That's also on your list.