I read the House memo supporting impeachment

[Moonglow]

READ: House Impeachment Managers' Brief Outlines Arguments For Senate Trial Of Trump

The House Democrats prosecuting the case against the former president argue he holds "singular responsibility" for the Capitol riot and should be convicted and barred from future office.

www.npr.org

(link to the memo is embedded)

And I don't see the direct connection to Trump. I'd agree he encouraged the rioters, but I'd think he had to have some foreknowledge of the attack or proof that he intended to provoke them to attack.

If the dems wanted impeachment …. fine. It's something they can legally do. Maybe they pretty much had to do it to satisfy their base What political ramifications it has … I don't know.

But I'm not sure Trump needs much defense other than "where's the beef." And rather than calling idiot qanon shamans to say "I did what he said" the dems should just get the vote and move on. The Shaman saying Trump incited him sort of proves Trump's defense of "nobody but a freaking idiot could think I told them to kill Pence, sheeesh. I like Mike, until he deserted me." LOL

I have not seen the docket is the Shaman on the schedule?

 

[OKTexas]

READ: House Impeachment Managers' Brief Outlines Arguments For Senate Trial Of Trump

The House Democrats prosecuting the case against the former president argue he holds "singular responsibility" for the Capitol riot and should be convicted and barred from future office.

www.npr.org

(link to the memo is embedded)

And I don't see the direct connection to Trump. I'd agree he encouraged the rioters, but I'd think he had to have some foreknowledge of the attack or proof that he intended to provoke them to attack.

If the dems wanted impeachment …. fine. It's something they can legally do. Maybe they pretty much had to do it to satisfy their base What political ramifications it has … I don't know.

But I'm not sure Trump needs much defense other than "where's the beef." And rather than calling idiot qanon shamans to say "I did what he said" the dems should just get the vote and move on. The Shaman saying Trump incited him sort of proves Trump's defense of "nobody but a freaking idiot could think I told them to kill Pence, sheeesh. I like Mike, until he deserted me." LOL

He encouraged it is enough. He should not have. He should not have brought up Pence, as Pence was only carrying out his constitutional duties. He should not have been supporting a claim of stolen election and massive fraud leading to defeat after his own lawyers refused to say it in court and all courts had ruled against him. This is not a criminal proceeding. It (unfortunately for him) is about right and wrong for a president, at the time. It is not about free speech. Propagating a lie and whipping up a crowd to support your lie is not protected. especially if it leads to violence. If you are burning some of your trash to keep warm, but it gets out of control and you burn down somebody's house. You are responsible.

Yeah, telling folks to "peacefully and patriotically make their VOICED HEARD", just makes folks want to break something. You're a fucking idiot.

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No arguing with what they did that day. No arguing trump encouraged them to go their after firing them up at the "stop the steal" rally. Effect usually follows cause.

Your problem is the FBI has proved plans were in place days before the speech. So you have no cause.

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He had been talking them up with fake "stolen election" lies for months before the stop the steal rally he invited them to on the day both houses of congress were meeting to receive the electoral count. He is responsible.

Lies? So you're saying States like WI, MI, PA, AZ and GA didn't violate their own election laws. Damn you really are delusional. Hell I'll even give you one example. WI has no early in person voting, so some creative county officials invented early in person absentee voting. That's a fucking oxymoron. How the hell does that work or make sense?

.

 

[B. Kidd]

READ: House Impeachment Managers' Brief Outlines Arguments For Senate Trial Of Trump

The House Democrats prosecuting the case against the former president argue he holds "singular responsibility" for the Capitol riot and should be convicted and barred from future office.

www.npr.org

(link to the memo is embedded)

And I don't see the direct connection to Trump. I'd agree he encouraged the rioters, but I'd think he had to have some foreknowledge of the attack or proof that he intended to provoke them to attack.

If the dems wanted impeachment …. fine. It's something they can legally do. Maybe they pretty much had to do it to satisfy their base What political ramifications it has … I don't know.

But I'm not sure Trump needs much defense other than "where's the beef." And rather than calling idiot qanon shamans to say "I did what he said" the dems should just get the vote and move on. The Shaman saying Trump incited him sort of proves Trump's defense of "nobody but a freaking idiot could think I told them to kill Pence, sheeesh. I like Mike, until he deserted me." LOL

He encouraged it is enough. He should not have. He should not have brought up Pence, as Pence was only carrying out his constitutional duties. He should not have been supporting a claim of stolen election and massive fraud leading to defeat after his own lawyers refused to say it in court and all courts had ruled against him. This is not a criminal proceeding. It (unfortunately for him) is about right and wrong for a president, at the time. It is not about free speech. Propagating a lie and whipping up a crowd to support your lie is not protected. especially if it leads to violence. If you are burning some of your trash to keep warm, but it gets out of control and you burn down somebody's house. You are responsible.

Yeah, telling folks to "peacefully and patriotically make their VOICED HEARD", just makes folks want to break something. You're a fucking idiot.

.

No arguing with what they did that day. No arguing trump encouraged them to go their after firing them up at the "stop the steal" rally. Effect usually follows cause.

Your problem is the FBI has proved plans were in place days before the speech. So you have no cause.

.

He had been talking them up with fake "stolen election" lies for months before the stop the steal rally he invited them to on the day both houses of congress were meeting to receive the electoral count. He is responsible.

He had no control over state's passing laws conducive to fraud much prior to the election. For example, Dimm controlled Nevada held a special midnight session way back last spring to consent to mass mail-in ballots!
Also he had no say over state's vote tallying mechanisms like Dominion, favored by dictators like Maduro.
Unscrupulous Dimm controlled battleground states are responsible!

Drop the Mic...!

 

[OKTexas]

READ: House Impeachment Managers' Brief Outlines Arguments For Senate Trial Of Trump

The House Democrats prosecuting the case against the former president argue he holds "singular responsibility" for the Capitol riot and should be convicted and barred from future office.

www.npr.org

(link to the memo is embedded)

And I don't see the direct connection to Trump. I'd agree he encouraged the rioters, but I'd think he had to have some foreknowledge of the attack or proof that he intended to provoke them to attack.

If the dems wanted impeachment …. fine. It's something they can legally do. Maybe they pretty much had to do it to satisfy their base What political ramifications it has … I don't know.

But I'm not sure Trump needs much defense other than "where's the beef." And rather than calling idiot qanon shamans to say "I did what he said" the dems should just get the vote and move on. The Shaman saying Trump incited him sort of proves Trump's defense of "nobody but a freaking idiot could think I told them to kill Pence, sheeesh. I like Mike, until he deserted me." LOL

He encouraged it is enough. He should not have. He should not have brought up Pence, as Pence was only carrying out his constitutional duties. He should not have been supporting a claim of stolen election and massive fraud leading to defeat after his own lawyers refused to say it in court and all courts had ruled against him. This is not a criminal proceeding. It (unfortunately for him) is about right and wrong for a president, at the time. It is not about free speech. Propagating a lie and whipping up a crowd to support your lie is not protected. especially if it leads to violence. If you are burning some of your trash to keep warm, but it gets out of control and you burn down somebody's house. You are responsible.

lol.

Do you actually read what you write?

Its like...."I know what he was thinking, I know what he wanted. I know what his intentions were"...

Yet, you don't even know what you had for breakfast this morning....other than some Vaseline, tissue paper and mummy's basement.

There you go again. Have not lived with parents since age of 18. Now 66. My own kids are grown and do not live with us, either. If that is common in you family, you should have had better role models.

Perhaps if you stopped acting like a child, people wouldn't get that impression of you.

.

Perhaps if you simply read instead of attempting to respond, people would not think of as a trumpist cult follower/supporter.

Now you're acting like a childish snowflake again. LMAO

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In what way?

You can't even write a coherent sentence. And exactly what am I suppose to be reading, your commie propaganda?

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[OKTexas]

The 18-year-old had been planning to kill himself, to sit inside his truck while it filled with carbon monoxide, but he wasn't sure if he could go through with it. In a series of insistent text messages, his 17-year-old girlfriend convinced him to follow through.

Carter was sentenced to serve 15 months in prison for involuntary manslaughter for causing his death.

This makes no sense comparatively.
You're a drooling idiot. Who would claim to even know you?

OKtexas said that the crowd, like the person wanting to commit suicide was predisposed to do what they later did. All they needed was for somebody to trigger them into carrying it out.

The girlfriend told him to get back in the car,
Trump told them to go to the capitol.

No difference.

I never said that and I insist on a retraction.

.

 

[SC Patriot]

Wow, another ESL giant appears. Do you have an English translation for this?

It's not just the words, but the people to tell the words do, and what they are predisposed to do.

ROFLMFAO

It's not just the words, but the people YOU tell the words TO.

you mean like telling black people that the police acted stupidly?

Or telling black people that "he could have been my son"?

Or like telling American Citizens AND THE World that the reason there was an attack in Benghazi was because an American Citizen exercised his freedom of speech?

You mean like that?

 

[meaner gene]

WI has no early in person voting, so come creative county officials invented early in person absentee voting.

so come creative county official?

Wow, another ESL giant appears. Do you have an English translation for this?

 

[OKTexas]

And Trump supplied them the command to go to the capitol.

Actually not, since the attack on the capitol was started before or during the speech.

The news showed a cellphone video of the crowd outside the capitol steps, listening to the Trump speech. And when he told them he was going to lead them to the capitol, the crowd roared with excitement. So they were listening to Trumps commands in real time.

It's called streaming audio. All you need is a smart phone.

He never said that, you're reading shit in the speech that you want, not what was actually said.

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[B. Kidd]

The 18-year-old had been planning to kill himself, to sit inside his truck while it filled with carbon monoxide, but he wasn't sure if he could go through with it. In a series of insistent text messages, his 17-year-old girlfriend convinced him to follow through.

Carter was sentenced to serve 15 months in prison for involuntary manslaughter for causing his death.

This makes no sense comparatively.
You're a drooling idiot. Who would claim to even know you?

OKtexas said that the crowd, like the person wanting to commit suicide was predisposed to do what they later did. All they needed was for somebody to trigger them into carrying it out.

The girlfriend told him to get back in the car,
Trump told them to go to the capitol.

No difference.

You moved the goalposts right out of the stadium.

 

[meaner gene]

OKtexas said that the crowd, like the person wanting to commit suicide was predisposed to do what they later did.

I never said that and I insist on a retraction.

Then let me post where you said that.

Your problem is the FBI has proved plans were in place days before the speech. So you have no cause.

Hummmmmm. Plans in place BEFORE the speech.
Isn't that the definition of predisposed.

For that I insist on a retraction.

 

[meaner gene]

you mean like telling black people that the police acted stupidly?

Or telling black people that "he could have been my son"?
You mean like that?

Especially when you invite the policeman to the white house to talk it out.

 

[meaner gene]

And when he told them he was going to lead them to the capitol, the crowd roared with excitement. So they were listening to Trumps commands in real time.

It's called streaming audio. All you need is a smart phone.

He never said that, you're reading shit in the speech that you want, not what was actually said.

Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.

Donald Trump "Save America" Speech January 6 | Transcripts

Donald Trump spoke at a "Save America" rally in Washington, D.C. on January 6 before Congress was set to confirm the election results. "We will never concede," he said. Read the transcript of his speech remarks here.

www.rev.com

Hummmm.... Do you think Trump meant he would follow them to the capitol?

A simple yes/no.

 

[OKTexas]

Wow, another ESL giant appears. Do you have an English translation for this?

It's not just the words, but the people to tell the words do, and what they are predisposed to do.

ROFLMFAO

It's not just the words, but the people YOU tell the words TO.

Just to help you out with your ESL studies, you can speak words, you can write words and you can type words, what you can't do is "tell words".

.

 

[meaner gene]

Just to help you out with your ESL studies, you can speak words, you can write words and you can type words, what you can't do is "tell words".

Tell me more. And use words when you do it.

 

[SC Patriot]

you mean like telling black people that the police acted stupidly?

Or telling black people that "he could have been my son"?
You mean like that?

Especially when you invite the policeman to the white house to talk it out.

to talk out what?

Factual scenario.....

Police were called because 2 men were seen breaking into a window of a house. No one knew why, but the neighbors did the right thing.

Police arrive and a man answers the door and says he broke into his own house because he did not have the key. Sure that happens. Been there, done that.

Police ask for ID to prove he was the actual owner of the house. Smart move. No burglar will say "its not my house"....

Owner of house refuses to show ID and it becomes a confrontation. Yes, he is the owner, but the police still only know that based on the word of the man at the door.

Winds up, after the confrontation, proof of home ownership is presented.

President Obama, when asked, said the police acted stupidly.

SO here is my question....

Lets just say he was not the owner of the house and instead the actual owner of the house was duct taped to a chair with duct tape on his mouth forced to watch his wife slowly sliced up like sushi.

And the next day the report of two dead people is reported and it was ALSO reported that the police arrived to investigate a possible break in but a man came to the door and said he was the owner and without asking for ID the police left.

Would you say the police acted stupidly there?

Just put some thought into that.

 

[OKTexas]

WI has no early in person voting, so come creative county officials invented early in person absentee voting.

so come creative county official?

Wow, another ESL giant appears. Do you have an English translation for this?

Thanks for pointing out the typo, fixed. But I guess you're attempting to equate a simple typo to totally screwed up syntax. Ain't gonna work child. LMAO

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[White 6]

READ: House Impeachment Managers' Brief Outlines Arguments For Senate Trial Of Trump

The House Democrats prosecuting the case against the former president argue he holds "singular responsibility" for the Capitol riot and should be convicted and barred from future office.

www.npr.org

(link to the memo is embedded)

And I don't see the direct connection to Trump. I'd agree he encouraged the rioters, but I'd think he had to have some foreknowledge of the attack or proof that he intended to provoke them to attack.

If the dems wanted impeachment …. fine. It's something they can legally do. Maybe they pretty much had to do it to satisfy their base What political ramifications it has … I don't know.

But I'm not sure Trump needs much defense other than "where's the beef." And rather than calling idiot qanon shamans to say "I did what he said" the dems should just get the vote and move on. The Shaman saying Trump incited him sort of proves Trump's defense of "nobody but a freaking idiot could think I told them to kill Pence, sheeesh. I like Mike, until he deserted me." LOL

He encouraged it is enough. He should not have. He should not have brought up Pence, as Pence was only carrying out his constitutional duties. He should not have been supporting a claim of stolen election and massive fraud leading to defeat after his own lawyers refused to say it in court and all courts had ruled against him. This is not a criminal proceeding. It (unfortunately for him) is about right and wrong for a president, at the time. It is not about free speech. Propagating a lie and whipping up a crowd to support your lie is not protected. especially if it leads to violence. If you are burning some of your trash to keep warm, but it gets out of control and you burn down somebody's house. You are responsible.

interesting analogy. But if my trash fire gets out of control I can't be convicted of arson or any intentional burning of other's property. I could get fined. I could probably be charged with some crime of illegal burning if I failed to do something required or burned during a burn notice.

I'm not defending Trump. I've thought since the 1980s that he was richtrash. There's not much I think he's above trying to do if he thinks he can get away with it. And I'm not complaining about him being impeached …. twice.

But unless the dems have some link to the organizers who brought weapons and an agreement to storm the capital or hurt policepeople ….. there's no basis to ban him from running again. And he'd probably help dems if he did.

To do nothing and let politics run it's course and let trump off the hook for what he brought about over the two months after the election, violence or no violence is the same as the hands off approach as the mayor and governor in Portland. It will not cool down until you just say NO and mean it. This was beyond the pale. Post election violence whipped up by an elected politician can become pre-election violence whipped up by the same politician or another. A message must be sent. The message to those politicians that would use their rhetoric and false unprovable accusations to stampede a herd, must be NO.

Yet you're not demanding accountability for the politicians that egged on the riots, looting, arson and murders over the summer. In fact kneepads harriss helped raise bail money to get her soldiers back on the streets ASAP. STFU hypocrite.

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Not that the same. Your cheap Jedi mind tricks don't work on me, boy.

Yeah, I know facts confuse the shit out of you commies. What the hell does, "Not that the same.", even mean? Me thinks your ESL is showing. Are you posting from some commie country?

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Scratch the word "that" and read it again. Enjoy the trial.

 

[meaner gene]

Police arrive and a man answers the door and says he broke into his own house because he did not have the key. Sure that happens. Been there, done that.

Police ask for ID to prove he was the actual owner of the house. Smart move. No burglar will say "its not my house"....

Owner of house refuses to show ID and it becomes a confrontation. Yes, he is the owner, but the police still only know that based on the word of the man at the door.

Black Harvard scholar's outrage at arrest at his home

Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates outraged at arrest at his home

www.theguardian.com

Last Thursday he was arrested on suspicion of breaking into his own home near Harvard, the university where he is an eminent professor. He was handcuffed, fingerprinted and locked in a cell for four hours for what the local police force said was "loud and tumultuous behaviour" amounting to disorderly conduct.

Asked to prove it was his own home, Gates showed his Harvard ID and local driving licence. In return, Gates asked Crowley for his name and badge number.

 

[White 6]

READ: House Impeachment Managers' Brief Outlines Arguments For Senate Trial Of Trump

The House Democrats prosecuting the case against the former president argue he holds "singular responsibility" for the Capitol riot and should be convicted and barred from future office.

www.npr.org

(link to the memo is embedded)

And I don't see the direct connection to Trump. I'd agree he encouraged the rioters, but I'd think he had to have some foreknowledge of the attack or proof that he intended to provoke them to attack.

If the dems wanted impeachment …. fine. It's something they can legally do. Maybe they pretty much had to do it to satisfy their base What political ramifications it has … I don't know.

But I'm not sure Trump needs much defense other than "where's the beef." And rather than calling idiot qanon shamans to say "I did what he said" the dems should just get the vote and move on. The Shaman saying Trump incited him sort of proves Trump's defense of "nobody but a freaking idiot could think I told them to kill Pence, sheeesh. I like Mike, until he deserted me." LOL

He encouraged it is enough. He should not have. He should not have brought up Pence, as Pence was only carrying out his constitutional duties. He should not have been supporting a claim of stolen election and massive fraud leading to defeat after his own lawyers refused to say it in court and all courts had ruled against him. This is not a criminal proceeding. It (unfortunately for him) is about right and wrong for a president, at the time. It is not about free speech. Propagating a lie and whipping up a crowd to support your lie is not protected. especially if it leads to violence. If you are burning some of your trash to keep warm, but it gets out of control and you burn down somebody's house. You are responsible.

Yeah, telling folks to "peacefully and patriotically make their VOICED HEARD", just makes folks want to break something. You're a fucking idiot.

.

No arguing with what they did that day. No arguing trump encouraged them to go their after firing them up at the "stop the steal" rally. Effect usually follows cause.

Your problem is the FBI has proved plans were in place days before the speech. So you have no cause.

.

He had been talking them up with fake "stolen election" lies for months before the stop the steal rally he invited them to on the day both houses of congress were meeting to receive the electoral count. He is responsible.

Lies? So you're saying States like WI, MI, PA, AZ and GA didn't violate their own election laws. Damn you really are delusional. Hell I'll even give you one example. WI has no early in person voting, so some creative county officials invented early in person absentee voting. That's a fucking oxymoron. How the hell does that work or make sense?

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Take it up with the several states. The court (including the trump appointed judge courts) rule against you.

 

[White 6]

READ: House Impeachment Managers' Brief Outlines Arguments For Senate Trial Of Trump

The House Democrats prosecuting the case against the former president argue he holds "singular responsibility" for the Capitol riot and should be convicted and barred from future office.

www.npr.org

(link to the memo is embedded)

And I don't see the direct connection to Trump. I'd agree he encouraged the rioters, but I'd think he had to have some foreknowledge of the attack or proof that he intended to provoke them to attack.

If the dems wanted impeachment …. fine. It's something they can legally do. Maybe they pretty much had to do it to satisfy their base What political ramifications it has … I don't know.

But I'm not sure Trump needs much defense other than "where's the beef." And rather than calling idiot qanon shamans to say "I did what he said" the dems should just get the vote and move on. The Shaman saying Trump incited him sort of proves Trump's defense of "nobody but a freaking idiot could think I told them to kill Pence, sheeesh. I like Mike, until he deserted me." LOL

He encouraged it is enough. He should not have. He should not have brought up Pence, as Pence was only carrying out his constitutional duties. He should not have been supporting a claim of stolen election and massive fraud leading to defeat after his own lawyers refused to say it in court and all courts had ruled against him. This is not a criminal proceeding. It (unfortunately for him) is about right and wrong for a president, at the time. It is not about free speech. Propagating a lie and whipping up a crowd to support your lie is not protected. especially if it leads to violence. If you are burning some of your trash to keep warm, but it gets out of control and you burn down somebody's house. You are responsible.

Yeah, telling folks to "peacefully and patriotically make their VOICED HEARD", just makes folks want to break something. You're a fucking idiot.

.

No arguing with what they did that day. No arguing trump encouraged them to go their after firing them up at the "stop the steal" rally. Effect usually follows cause.

Your problem is the FBI has proved plans were in place days before the speech. So you have no cause.

.

He had been talking them up with fake "stolen election" lies for months before the stop the steal rally he invited them to on the day both houses of congress were meeting to receive the electoral count. He is responsible.

He had no control over state's passing laws conducive to fraud much prior to the election. For example, Dimm controlled Nevada held a special midnight session way back last spring to consent to mass mail-in ballots!
Also he had no say over state's vote tallying mechanisms like Dominion, favored by dictators like Maduro.
Unscrupulous Dimm controlled battleground states are responsible!

Drop the Mic...!

Dominion machine were found blameless. That is why they are being sued and news outlets have backed off the story, knowing they didn't have a leg to stand on and could lose everything.