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A certified Doctor that has no business associated with abortions.Who should decide? A bunch of strange men who know nothing about them?13000 a year? Sure thing, who decided they were medically needed? Why the abortion doctors did of course.Late term abortions are rare, strictly regulated and almost always for the mother's life, serious health issues, or severe fetal deformities.Everyone knows what happens in a late term abortion. The baby is rotated inside the mother's womb to cause a "breach birth" where the feet emerge first. It has to be painful and dangerous and there is no medical reason for it. When Clinton vetoed the late term abortion bill he paraded a lineup of women who claimed that their health was in jeopardy but that can't be true. You don't need to have a medical degree to determine that a "normal" birth would have saved the baby's life and would have been easier and less dangerous for the mother. How can anyone defend the late term abortion procedure from a medical standpoint?
What is indefensible about that?
I still think there need to be exceptions even in the third trimester - the mother's life/serious health complications, fatal birth defects.
An abortion doctor has a vested INTEREST in DOING an abortion you know that I know that and it is a conflict of interest. Most states say 24 weeks is cut off yet we have 11000 to 13000 late term abortions a year. I wonder how many were because an ABORTION doctor claimed something that simply wasn't true.A certified Doctor that has no business associated with abortions.Who should decide? A bunch of strange men who know nothing about them?13000 a year? Sure thing, who decided they were medically needed? Why the abortion doctors did of course.Late term abortions are rare, strictly regulated and almost always for the mother's life, serious health issues, or severe fetal deformities.Everyone knows what happens in a late term abortion. The baby is rotated inside the mother's womb to cause a "breach birth" where the feet emerge first. It has to be painful and dangerous and there is no medical reason for it. When Clinton vetoed the late term abortion bill he paraded a lineup of women who claimed that their health was in jeopardy but that can't be true. You don't need to have a medical degree to determine that a "normal" birth would have saved the baby's life and would have been easier and less dangerous for the mother. How can anyone defend the late term abortion procedure from a medical standpoint?
What is indefensible about that?
Why would having "no business associated with abortions" be a better candidate? Why would this person be more trusted by a woman? The doctors in Ireland let a woman die. The loss of her life led to the change of law in Ireland.
Roe v Wade is based on a (faulty) decision by the Supreme Court that found the "right to privacy" that justified abortion but had no basis on Constitutional law. All conservatives are looking for today is to outlaw the barbaric late term abortion procedure that authorizes the murder of full term infants so close to life.the scope of the discussion is when is it moral to murder an innocent child,,,
I leave morals out of it.
The Constitution is the law of the land.
Therefore the debate should be more about what abortions (if any) can be defended Constitutionally. Or not.
That's my take on it, anyway. I'm not butthurt about it when others disagree.
so if the constitution said we could kill a person up to 5 yrs old you would be OK with it
sorry but the constitution only works for a moral society,,,
Let's work with what we have.
The Constitution is the law of the land.
It says that all persons have a right to their life and to the equal protections of our laws. (pretty fucking inclusive.)
Do you think that needs to be changed?
If so, the onus is on you to change it.
No. It is the truth. We are talking about maternity mortality rates. They have been been going up in this country and are much higher than for abortions.
After reading all you wrote, your [sic] against banning all safe abortions as well…
An abortion doctor has a vested INTEREST in DOING an abortion you know that I know that and it is a conflict of interest. Most states say 24 weeks is cut off yet we have 11000 to 13000 late term abortions a year. I wonder how many were because an ABORTION doctor claimed something that simply wasn't true.A certified Doctor that has no business associated with abortions.Who should decide? A bunch of strange men who know nothing about them?13000 a year? Sure thing, who decided they were medically needed? Why the abortion doctors did of course.Late term abortions are rare, strictly regulated and almost always for the mother's life, serious health issues, or severe fetal deformities.
What is indefensible about that?
Why would having "no business associated with abortions" be a better candidate? Why would this person be more trusted by a woman? The doctors in Ireland let a woman die. The loss of her life led to the change of law in Ireland.
After reading all you wrote, your [sic] against banning all safe abortions as well…
There is no such thing as a “safe abortion”. Every successful abortion KILLS an innocent human being. Every successful abortion causes death. There is no honest way to reconcile the hard facts about abortion with any rational concept of “safe”.
No. It is the truth. We are talking about maternity mortality rates. They have been been going up in this country and are much higher than for abortions.
Every successful abortion results in the death of an innocent child. That's a 100% mortality rate. Under the very worst conditions, live births don't come anywhere close to that.
Who should decide? A bunch of strange men who know nothing about them?
I still think there need to be exceptions even in the third trimester - the mother's life/serious health complications, fatal birth defects.
See my post above. The notion that any pregnancy besides ectopic pregnancies must be aborted to safeguard the mother's life is a myth, a lie, the political hysteria, the demagoguery of the infanticidal left. Perhaps in the near future medical technology will advance to the point where we can safely and successfully transplant a fertilized ovum lodged in the fallopian tubes, but we're not there yet. An ectopic pregnancy cannot come to term, and must be terminated via a chemically induced abortion.. It is the only pregnancy that must be aborted for the sake of the mother's health, to save her life. The baby cannot be saved.
"Problematic pregnancies" of the second or third trimester, which are rare, are typically due to complications set off by the pregnancy or by viral or bacterial infections acquired during pregnancy. In every instance, it is actually safer, certainly for the child, but also for the mother, to end the pregnancy via C-section or induced labor, wherein the more developed the baby, the better chance it has to survive outside the womb. You save the life of the mother, the baby may or may not survive. It is never necessary to kill it.
11000 to 13000 late term abortions means that the 24 week limit is being IGNORED.
Yes. There is. If you value the woman's life.
Who should decide? A bunch of strange men who know nothing about them?
If my wife annoys me, I'm not allowed to kill her. No matter how annoying she gets.
Who decided this? Was this decision made by those who know my wife and me, and know the dynamics our our relationship? Or was this decision made by a bunch of strange men who know nothing about us?
Yes. There is. If you value the woman's life.
You're just being dishonest.
The overwhelming vast cases of unborn children being murdered in cold blood were not done so under circumstances where their mother's life was in danger because of them. There is no honest basis for your implication, here, that valuing the life of the mother means one must be OK with murdering an innocent child.
You actually believe that a doctor has a vested financial interest in the outcome and this is what drives a doctor's decision-making? I think that you are a car mechanic or a plumber who has never seen the inside of an ER or a labor and delivery room. You might handle trucks or something.[/QUOTE]An abortion doctor has a vested INTEREST in DOING an abortion you know that I know that and it is a conflict of interest. Most states say 24 weeks is cut off yet we have 11000 to 13000 late term abortions a year. I wonder how many were because an ABORTION doctor claimed something that simply wasn't true.A certified Doctor that has no business associated with abortions.Who should decide? A bunch of strange men who know nothing about them?13000 a year? Sure thing, who decided they were medically needed? Why the abortion doctors did of course.Late term abortions are rare, strictly regulated and almost always for the mother's life, serious health issues, or severe fetal deformities.
What is indefensible about that?
Why would having "no business associated with abortions" be a better candidate? Why would this person be more trusted by a woman? The doctors in Ireland let a woman die. The loss of her life led to the change of law in Ireland.
An abortion doctor has a vested INTEREST in DOING an abortion you know that I know that and it is a conflict of interest. Most states say 24 weeks is cut off yet we have 11000 to 13000 late term abortions a year. I wonder how many were because an ABORTION doctor claimed something that simply wasn't true.A certified Doctor that has no business associated with abortions.Who should decide? A bunch of strange men who know nothing about them?13000 a year? Sure thing, who decided they were medically needed? Why the abortion doctors did of course.Late term abortions are rare, strictly regulated and almost always for the mother's life, serious health issues, or severe fetal deformities.
What is indefensible about that?
Why would having "no business associated with abortions" be a better candidate? Why would this person be more trusted by a woman? The doctors in Ireland let a woman die. The loss of her life led to the change of law in Ireland.
Late term abortions are rare, strictly regulated and almost always for the mother's life, serious health issues, or severe fetal deformities.Everyone knows what happens in a late term abortion. The baby is rotated inside the mother's womb to cause a "breach birth" where the feet emerge first. It has to be painful and dangerous and there is no medical reason for it. When Clinton vetoed the late term abortion bill he paraded a lineup of women who claimed that their health was in jeopardy but that can't be true. You don't need to have a medical degree to determine that a "normal" birth would have saved the baby's life and would have been easier and less dangerous for the mother. How can anyone defend the late term abortion procedure from a medical standpoint?
What is indefensible about that?
Well, that's certainly what your masters told you to believe, anyway.
As it should be. The world is already over crowded.Abortion isn't the only way lives are taken.
It is by far the largest cause of death.
