If God is all powerful, ...

[BreezeWood]

For example, we say "No one is perfect", yet we ignore that we would have to know what perfect is in order to judge, and no one claims that capacity.

the religion of antiquity - the triumph of good vs evil - is in a sense a perfection that can include error just not one of a certain type. and were that accomplished as the means for spiritual admission to the Everlasting most likely there will be others for there to be a collective - none of which would be the same.

 

[Meriweather]

Why didn't God make us with a perfect knowledge?

Let's consider God made us to be perfect. The mighty oak tree didn't one day zap itself into its mighty existence. It started as an acorn. God starts with a sperm entering an egg, and the creation of something perfect starts from there. Perhaps consider this life as one great birthing process into perfection.

 

[zaangalewa]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect? ...

We are perfect - but the perfect is not perfect. We are perfect entities living in the best of all possible worlds.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

According to Judeo-Christian tradition, he did. We were given free will, and fucked up.

yeah but, we'd have done just fine if that damn serpent didn't show up

That serpent we call Temptation? Is God not the one who planted the temptation in them when He commanded them not to eat of the tree of knowledge? Did He not put the curiosity in their heads?

How about that?

 

[onefour1]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

He did, but he gave him free will and he disobeyed God. This allowed Satan dominion over the Earth. Thus, he had to sacrifice his only son to make up and save us. Jesus became the perfect human.

Free will doesn't answer the question. A perfect man, in fact, would not have free will; he could never choose an alternative.

Its not that he can't choose an alternative, its that he wouldn't. Free will would still be there but it would be silly for him to choose the alternative.

 

[RodISHI]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

According to Judeo-Christian tradition, he did. We were given free will, and fucked up.

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to Judeo-Christian tradition, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Perfect in terms of spirit. Eating from the forbidden Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, an exercise of free will, caused the fall.

That "fall" is a fall from grace as once you have knowledge and can discern between good and evil, evil deeds will no longer cover your soul by grace alone. Thus as a human/adam/son of Man with that living soul you get a covering and start a journey that should steer you away from merely living to your own pleasures.

 

[Kaleb108]

I believe that we cannot define anything as perfect because we don't know what perfect is. Everyone sees perfect as a reflection of their own ideals. Maybe God wanted us to find our own perfect in the world and for us each to be happy with what we have, its also why we argue so much on what we believe to be perfect.

 

[harmonica]

there is no god

 

[Meriweather]

there is no god

I can reassure you there is. And He is magnificent.

 

[harmonica]

there is no god

I can reassure you there is. And He is magnificent.

there's not...no proof

 

[SweetSue92]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

Then you wouldn't have agency and your actions would be meaningless, since it would be only what you should do, rather than figuring out for yourself what's right or wrong. Humans are not perfect, because God wanted creations with agency, who could choose between good and evil.

This question has been answered thousands of times, you're just not interested in honest discussion. You're a fedora-tipping atheist that just wants to dunk on the less-educated Christians because it furthers your ego trip.

'I think this house has no builder cuz I haven't seen them, I'm so smurt!'

"Fedora tipping atheist"....so glad I wasn't actually sipping coffee when I read that. Also you need to show up in this forum more often!

 

[SweetSue92]

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to the bible, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things (they didn't know good from evil) and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Sez you. That's not what happened though, bunky.

If you don't know good from evil then you obviously do not have a perfect knowledge. If you don't have a perfect knowledge, then you are perfect in knowledge. That is common sense.

What you got wrong was saying God didn't make Adam and Eve perfect. He did. They didn't continue being perfect and that was their fall. Obviously, you do not have perfect knowledge. Trust what's written in the Bible.

Now you are telling me that being less than perfect is perfect. To have a perfect knowledge like God, one would have to know all things. Having such a knowledge would insulate such a being from making bad choices. We, as the creations of God do not have a perfect knowledge and thus we are less than perfect. Why didn't God make us with a perfect knowledge? Without a perfect knowledge man makes wrong choices. If God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving then shouldn't he have made us with a perfect knowledge so that we would make all the right choices? I contend that God did not create us with a perfect knowledge!

Pumpkin has already answered this. If we could make all the right choices we would be automatons. God did not want to make automatons. We are free to choose Him, or not.

Yes that means that we will make poor choices and bring sin into the world.

It was worth it. To Him. That's all that needs to be said, fedora tipper (hat tip, Pumpkin.)

 

[RodISHI]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

God did create the Son to be perfect. Flesh/son of Man is merely a container that holds both the good and the what we consider to be the bad. It is a cocoon in a sense that contains the Man (male and female types both) that will be eventually birthed into the fullness of what it was originally intended and purposed for. When a child is in the womb it is nourished inside the womb. Humans of flesh are in essence a container for the spiritual fetus that goes through various stages of growth.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (goy/nations is speaking of those portions/people/hosts within or cattle/herds all those pieces and portions of thoughts and behaviors within one's own mind/lands that has disbelief, is unfinished, portions of the Spirit not yet perfected, or completed yet)

Gen 25:23
And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people (spiritually speaking literally two different types hosts. Jacob the upright 'he grasps the heel' [that which is holding the rear guard] to rule the heavenly and Esau the 'red hairy one' who is Edom to rule over the earthly portions that guide the living soul) shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

 

[Erinwltr]

Because gawd does not like competition.

 

[Markle]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

Your trolling diatribe has a fatal flaw which, I am somewhat surprised, no one else has mentioned.

If you believe in God, as I do, you also believe that the Devil, Belial, Satan, Beelzebub, call evil what you will, also exists.

End of discussion.
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[Meriweather]

there's not...no proof

What would you accept as "proof"?

 

[norwegen]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

According to Judeo-Christian tradition, he did. We were given free will, and fucked up.

yeah but, we'd have done just fine if that damn serpent didn't show up

That serpent we call Temptation? Is God not the one who planted the temptation in them when He commanded them not to eat of the tree of knowledge? Did He not put the curiosity in their heads?

How about that?

How does one fall from perfection? God didn't create human beings to be perfect.

The story of creation is a story of a creature who fellowships with God and glorifies Him on the earth. When this covenant man forsakes God and pays homage to idols, he no longer walks with God or glorifies Him, and God has no use for him.

God did not create perfection. He just created a Garden.

 

[norwegen]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

He did, but he gave him free will and he disobeyed God. This allowed Satan dominion over the Earth. Thus, he had to sacrifice his only son to make up and save us. Jesus became the perfect human.

Free will doesn't answer the question. A perfect man, in fact, would not have free will; he could never choose an alternative.

Its not that he can't choose an alternative, its that he wouldn't. Free will would still be there but it would be silly for him to choose the alternative.

A perfect man cannot choose an alternative. If he can choose anything but perfection, or correctness, then he is not perfect.

 

[Taz]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

God made ME perfect, so what's YOUR problem?

 

[james bond]

there's not...no proof

God says that you'll get proof, i.e. pain and suffering, afterward. I assume that is acceptable proof. There you go.

ETA: An atheist once said, proof for one or even many atheists/agnostics is not enough. It has to be for ALL in the past, present, and for those in the future.