If Hobby Lobby wins...

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he's not lying...

You're going to have to do better than a slurp-lipped columnists from TownHall.com

Scientific consensus.

American College of Obstetricians and GynecologistS: “there is a scientific distinction between a contraceptive and an abortifacient and the scientific record demonstrates that none of the FDA-approved contraceptives covered by the Mandate are abortifacients.”

Scientific 'consensus' is not scientific fact....

why do the women need all 20 of the contraceptives....you'd think 16 would be MORE than enough.....why are those 4 specifically needed....?

<shaking my head>

The IQ points drain away here sometimes just reading some of the posts...

 

[paperview]

he's not lying...

You're going to have to do better than a slurp-lipped columnists from TownHall.com

Scientific consensus.

American College of Obstetricians and GynecologistS: &#8220;there is a scientific distinction between a contraceptive and an abortifacient and the scientific record demonstrates that none of the FDA-approved contraceptives covered by the Mandate are abortifacients.&#8221;

Scientific consensus once told us that germs do not exist, and that the Earth is the center of the universe. That is why I prefer scientific facts.

Tell Nurse Ratchet to up your dosage.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You're going to have to do better than a slurp-lipped columnists from TownHall.com

Scientific consensus.

American College of Obstetricians and GynecologistS: &#8220;there is a scientific distinction between a contraceptive and an abortifacient and the scientific record demonstrates that none of the FDA-approved contraceptives covered by the Mandate are abortifacients.&#8221;

Scientific 'consensus' is not scientific fact....

why do the women need all 20 of the contraceptives....you'd think 16 would be MORE than enough.....why are those 4 specifically needed....?

<shaking my head>

The IQ points drain away here sometimes just reading some of the posts...

Can't answer my question...? Let me explain it for you....

Contraceptives work in various ways....

1...they prevent eggs from being released
2...they prevent sperm from getting to the eggs
3...they stop the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus

Hobby Lobby is against the #3 method.....because to them killing a fertilized egg is abortion...

the 4 variations of method #3 include...

1....IUDs...which block implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus/womb
2....a contraceptive rod in the arm...thins the uterine lining which prevents implantation
3 &4....'morning after' pills....which kill fertilized eggs

thus Hobby Lobby calls those 4 contraceptives 'abortifacients' because they kill the fertilized egg which they believe is the start of life.....while lefties claim they are not 'abortifacients' because the fertilized egg doesn't make it to the uterus where they say life or the pregnancy begins....

so it's back to the age old question....when does life begin....?
i believe science actually supports the fertilized egg as the real start of life...which is why i believe Hobby Lobby should win their case...

Understanding the Hobby Lobby 'Abortifacient' Argument

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Rubbers cost a buck. Buy them your damn selves and stop being freeloaders

 

[paperview]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

 

[1776]

Islam/Sharia Law is nutjob religion compared Christianity, but of course a piece of shit like you equates the two.

Asswipe....hating people based on the color of their skin and holding them as slaves, is not justified by the Bible.

Of course, a piece of shit like you is all about distraction.

20 years from now when morality is even worse, I guess you will force employers to pay for their workers to get laid by a prostitute.

For generation upon generation, discrimination was justified on biblical grounds --

Perhaps some reading would fill the bill ...

Title: Defence Of Southern Slavery. Against The Attacks of
Henry Clay And Alex'r. Campbell,
In Which Much Of The False Philanthropy And Mawkish Sentimentalism Of

The Abolitionists Is Met And Refuted. In Which

It Is Moreover Shown That The Association Of The White

And Black Races In The Relation Of Master And Slave

Is The Appointed Order Of God, As Set Forth In

The Bible, And Constitutes The Best Social

Condition Of Both Races, And The Only

True Principle Of Republicanism.

By A Southern Clergyman.

Whol's to say what is or isn't justified by the Bible?

And, since when does a belief that a person considers to be part of his religion have to justified in a book?

And, lastly, what if Sharia Law IS justified by the Koran? Does that give it a 1st amendment trump card,

such as the one Christians are claiming?

 

[paperview]

Rubbers cost a buck. Buy them your damn selves and stop being freeloaders

You understand Hobby Lobby provides regular Birth Control now, and has for some time?

They also covered Plan B before, for a number of years, and since 2010, Ella.

You do know Plan B - that is, Emergency Contraception is not nine dollars?

It runs from 50 to 70 dollars. Also, some women are not able to take regular Birth Control pills, for many, an IUD would be recommended. The insertion and cost of these can run up to a thousand dollars.

That is a burden for low wage earning women, many married, with children -- who are already paying for the cost insurance through their labor and pay.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

Where did you get your medical degree and your degree in biochemistry?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

you're not being specific enough here....are fertilized eggs prevented from attaching in the womb...like the 4 that Hobby Lobby rejects....?

 

[1776]

Inventing a "new" religion can be seen a mile away....like seeing you're an idiot from a mile away.

Asswipe....hating people based on the color of their skin and holding them as slaves, is not justified by the Bible.

Of course, a piece of shit like you is all about distraction.

20 years from now when morality is even worse, I guess you will force employers to pay for their workers to get laid by a prostitute.

For generation upon generation, discrimination was justified on biblical grounds --

Perhaps some reading would fill the bill ...

Title: Defence Of Southern Slavery. Against The Attacks of
Henry Clay And Alex'r. Campbell,
In Which Much Of The False Philanthropy And Mawkish Sentimentalism Of

The Abolitionists Is Met And Refuted. In Which

It Is Moreover Shown That The Association Of The White

And Black Races In The Relation Of Master And Slave

Is The Appointed Order Of God, As Set Forth In

The Bible, And Constitutes The Best Social

Condition Of Both Races, And The Only

True Principle Of Republicanism.

By A Southern Clergyman.

So you're saying these people's 'sincerely held beliefs' (which carried through as far as race-mixing is concerned , as late as the Donny Osmond generation) ---were wrong?

You're judging their sincerity? Is that it?

 

[paperview]

Islam/Sharia Law is nutjob religion compared Christianity, but of course a piece of shit like you equates the two.

Asswipe....hating people based on the color of their skin and holding them as slaves, is not justified by the Bible.

Of course, a piece of shit like you is all about distraction.

20 years from now when morality is even worse, I guess you will force employers to pay for their workers to get laid by a prostitute.

Whol's to say what is or isn't justified by the Bible?

And, since when does a belief that a person considers to be part of his religion have to justified in a book?

And, lastly, what if Sharia Law IS justified by the Koran? Does that give it a 1st amendment trump card,

such as the one Christians are claiming?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And there you have it, folks.

Exposed.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Rubbers cost a buck. Buy them your damn selves and stop being freeloaders

You understand Hobby Lobby provides regular Birth Control now, and has for some time?

They also covered Plan B before, for a number of years, and since 2010, Ella.

You do know Plan B - that is, Emergency Contraception is not nine dollars?

It runs from 50 to 70 dollars. Also, some women are not able to take regular Birth Control pills, for many, an IUD would be recommended. The insertion and cost of these can run up to a thousand dollars.

That is a burden for low wage earning women, many married, with children -- who are already paying for the cost insurance through their labor and pay.

You understand I DONT GIVE A DAMN....

If this is the method to which we dismantle obamacare so be it.

Simple enough?

 

[paperview]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

Where did you get your medical degree and your degree in biochemistry?

Apparently you can't read medical literature.

No surprise.

 

[paperview]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

you're not being specific enough here.

What is it you are having trouble with?

Are you familiar with how regular birth control pills work?

My guess is: no.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

you're not being specific enough here....are fertilized eggs prevented from attaching in the womb...like the 4 that Hobby Lobby rejects....?

What is it you are having trouble with?

Are you familiar with how regular birth control pills work?

My guess is: no.

so explain...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

Where did you get your medical degree and your degree in biochemistry?

Apparently you can't read medical literature.

No surprise.

Did you read the FDA flyer I posted earlier that directly contradicts your claims? Does the fact that the FDA disagrees with you mean they can't read medical literature, or is it a possible indication that the science isn't settled?

 

[paperview]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

you're not being specific enough here....are fertilized eggs prevented from attaching in the womb...like the 4 that Hobby Lobby rejects....?

Dude -- even the National Catholic Reporter lays it out: "there is no scientific evidence that any FDA-approved contraception is capable of destroying an embryo."

What an abortifacient is -- and what it isn't | National Catholic Reporter

 

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The Catholics !

"For five years, staff at CHA collected, reviewed and summarized the great majority of articles on Plan B's mechanism of action, Ron Hamel explains in his article: "Virtually all of the evidence in the scientific literature indicates Plan B has little or no post-fertilization effect ... on the endometrium that would make it inhospitable to implantation."

The drug Ella is perhaps the most controversial because its chemical structure is similar to that of RU-486. Unlike Plan B, Ella can be taken up to five days after intercourse, therefore working for the entire life span of the sperm. Like Plan B, however, women who take Ella can still get pregnant, which suggests that this pill, too, is not an abortifacient.



In several studies, 2 percent of women taking Ella up to five days after intercourse became pregnant. Researchers estimate that at least 5 percent of women not taking the pill would have become pregnant. Ella prevents fertilization through a progesterone blocker that delays or inhibits ovulation.



Some have argued that because Ella is similar in composition to RU-486, it functions in the same way. RU-486 works by decreasing the lining of the uterus to the point that an implanted embryo will dislodge. Scientists argue that there is no evidence that Ella has this type of effect on the endometrium and therefore, there is no evidence that the drug can interrupt an existing pregnancy or prevent implantation. Experts point to the drug's 2 percent failure rate as proof.


According to one study published in The Lancet, when the drug is given in a massive dose, it could alter the lining of the uterus and theoretically impair an embryo's implantation. But no woman could have access to that amount of Ella.


The most important point that emerges from all of this research is that, so far, there is no scientific evidence that any FDA-approved contraception is capable of destroying an embryo. To say that any of these drugs are abortifacient is not only misleading, it does a profound disservice to women who find themselves in a situation where they might have to use one of these drugs or devices."

What an abortifacient is -- and what it isn't | National Catholic Reporter

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

you're not being specific enough here....are fertilized eggs prevented from attaching in the womb...like the 4 that Hobby Lobby rejects....?

Dude -- even the National Catholic Reporter lays it out: "there is no scientific evidence that any FDA-approved contraception is capable of destroying an embryo."

What an abortifacient is -- and what it isn't | National Catholic Reporter

some of that seems pretty borderline.....

when she starts the sympathy appeal about all the rape cases as reason for using these drugs.....i get suspicious...

 

[paperview]

you're not being specific enough here....are fertilized eggs prevented from attaching in the womb...like the 4 that Hobby Lobby rejects....?

Dude -- even the National Catholic Reporter lays it out: "there is no scientific evidence that any FDA-approved contraception is capable of destroying an embryo."

What an abortifacient is -- and what it isn't | National Catholic Reporter

some of that seems pretty borderline.....

when she starts the sympathy appeal about all the rape cases as reason for using these drugs.....i get suspicious...

...are you prepping for a debut of a fresh "legitimate rape" commentary?

God forbid we allow women who have been raped insurance coverage to Emergency Contraception....