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God save me from illiterate twits who hear half-baked rumors and legends and think that finding a short blurb on a website for little kids constitutes "evidence".
God save me from illiterate twits who hear half-baked rumors and legends and think that finding a short blurb on a website for little kids constitutes "evidence".
Awesome. I'm sure you'll understand why I'll stop having discussions with someone who believes insults and name-calling constitutes a civil discussion. Have a really nice day, Cecilie.
No, one cannot "just as easily blame religious oppression", especially since any religious oppression so far exists only in your head. The murderer chose to use the Bible to justify what he wanted to do anyway. He could just as easily have chosen the Torah (which I believe contains Leviticus as well), or the Qu'ran (which isn't all that friendly to homosexuals, either), or any of a dozen cultural groups in this country that teach that "real men don't have no truck with that limp-wristed faggoty shit". But until you can prove, categorically, that he was ever "religiously oppressed" at all, let alone that Christianity or the Bible teaches that it's okay to go out and kill people who offend you with impunity, you can't blame the Bible, or Christians, or anyone but the killer himself.
If the bible teaches you that your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong, you're oppressed.
He chose the bible, not the q'uran or the torah. Literalism is wrong whether its the torah, the bible or the q'uran being used.
The Bible teaches you that you are weak and flawed. It also teaches you that only thru the grace of the Lord, can you overcome these. "He" wants you to join Him on His level (palaces in heaven). That is the Book narrowed down to a couple of sentences. The choices you make determine His judgement.
If we're to accept his existence at all. Good point.
David Hume:
If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good. There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the universe?
Who is David Hume? Why do people hear one thing that they agree with, an opinion, because they are angry with the Lord (maybe because their life isn't turning out how "they" envisioned), want to disregard the dozens of people that wrote similar things about interacting with the Lord. What has David Hume done? Did he split a sea? Did he feed an entire population fleeing oppression (honest to goodness oppression)? Did he appear as a pillar of fire? Sorry Sky, this is just sad.
No, one cannot "just as easily blame religious oppression", especially since any religious oppression so far exists only in your head. The murderer chose to use the Bible to justify what he wanted to do anyway. He could just as easily have chosen the Torah (which I believe contains Leviticus as well), or the Qu'ran (which isn't all that friendly to homosexuals, either), or any of a dozen cultural groups in this country that teach that "real men don't have no truck with that limp-wristed faggoty shit". But until you can prove, categorically, that he was ever "religiously oppressed" at all, let alone that Christianity or the Bible teaches that it's okay to go out and kill people who offend you with impunity, you can't blame the Bible, or Christians, or anyone but the killer himself.
If the bible teaches you that your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong, you're oppressed.
He chose the bible, not the q'uran or the torah. Literalism is wrong whether its the torah, the bible or the q'uran being used.
I'm fascinated by your belief that "If you're born that way, that makes it good and right". Does this mean that sociopaths like Ted Bundy shouldn't be told that this is wrong? People who are born with birth defects shouldn't try to have them repaired? Are all people perfect as they come out of the womb, no matter what? Or is it only homosexuals?
As it happens, though, the Bible doesn't teach that "your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong". It teaches that acting on certain urges is wrong, which is true. There are many urges that human beings have which are wrong to act on. You're just being pissy and hypersensitive because of the current perceived "holiness" that everyone is supposed to attach to homosexuality.
And sorry, but just because that happens to be what he latched onto STILL doesn't make the Bible responsible for what he did. The responsibility still, and always, rests with him, irregardless of what he chooses to try to justify it.
Pffft. What do they know? Wonky. Has. Spoken.I've had many, all of which you missed.
(And atheism isn't even necessary in a communist nation to begin with. There's no corrleation.)
Beeep!!! Sorry, wrong answer.
Modern twentieth-century Communism is based on the theories of Karl Marx. Marx considered atheism as a key part of communism, and is famous for saying, "Religion ... is the opium of the masses." Marx was himself an atheist, of course, and he also wrote, "Communism begins from the outset with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction."
Vladimir Lenin wrote: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could."
In 1955, Chinese communist leader Chou En-lai declared, "We Communists are atheists".
If you can't believe the Communists themselves, who CAN you believe? Well, how about someone who lived and suffered under Communism?
"Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened. Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
It's not an accident that every society that has ever started out to be Communist either abandoned it early, or ended up persecuting religion.
Yanno.........you people who cite Leviticus as justification for hating gays, well......I've got 1 question for you......
Why are you using a manual that was written SPECIFICALLY for those of the Jewish faith who were the priests?
Are you guys Jewish priests? If not, then quit cherry picking.
Yanno.........you people who cite Leviticus as justification for hating gays, well......I've got 1 question for you......
Why are you using a manual that was written SPECIFICALLY for those of the Jewish faith who were the priests?
Are you guys Jewish priests? If not, then quit cherry picking.
What gets me is the selective use of Leviticus. Why isn't there more outcry about eating shellfish?
Yeah, you just keep pretending you know more than Communism's founding fathers and people who lived under its oppression. You're more credible than they are. No, really.Pffft. What do they know? Wonky. Has. Spoken.Beeep!!! Sorry, wrong answer.
Modern twentieth-century Communism is based on the theories of Karl Marx. Marx considered atheism as a key part of communism, and is famous for saying, "Religion ... is the opium of the masses." Marx was himself an atheist, of course, and he also wrote, "Communism begins from the outset with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction."
Vladimir Lenin wrote: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could."
In 1955, Chinese communist leader Chou En-lai declared, "We Communists are atheists".
If you can't believe the Communists themselves, who CAN you believe? Well, how about someone who lived and suffered under Communism?
"Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened. Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
It's not an accident that every society that has ever started out to be Communist either abandoned it early, or ended up persecuting religion.
Glad you're finally figuring this out, Davey.
Of course, the resident twat thinks she can pull out random quotes to prove that atheism is necessary in a communist society, but again she gets reamed by facts. The Marx/Engels manifesto says that religion disappears of its own accord under communism, not that it has to be outlawed by fiat.
If the bible teaches you that your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong, you're oppressed.
He chose the bible, not the q'uran or the torah. Literalism is wrong whether its the torah, the bible or the q'uran being used.
The Bible teaches you that you are weak and flawed. It also teaches you that only thru the grace of the Lord, can you overcome these. "He" wants you to join Him on His level (palaces in heaven). That is the Book narrowed down to a couple of sentences. The choices you make determine His judgement.
The bible teaches that you are flawed at your very being. Buddhism teaches that we have Buddha nature. That's one reason I'm a Buddhist.
If we're to accept his existence at all. Good point.
David Hume:
If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good. There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the universe?
Who is David Hume? Why do people hear one thing that they agree with, an opinion, because they are angry with the Lord (maybe because their life isn't turning out how "they" envisioned), want to disregard the dozens of people that wrote similar things about interacting with the Lord. What has David Hume done? Did he split a sea? Did he feed an entire population fleeing oppression (honest to goodness oppression)? Did he appear as a pillar of fire? Sorry Sky, this is just sad.
David Hume is a philosopher. He's a man, not a god.
Who is David Hume? Why do people hear one thing that they agree with, an opinion, because they are angry with the Lord (maybe because their life isn't turning out how "they" envisioned), want to disregard the dozens of people that wrote similar things about interacting with the Lord. What has David Hume done? Did he split a sea? Did he feed an entire population fleeing oppression (honest to goodness oppression)? Did he appear as a pillar of fire? Sorry Sky, this is just sad.
David Hume is a philosopher. He's a man, not a god.
That was my point!
If the bible teaches you that your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong, you're oppressed.
He chose the bible, not the q'uran or the torah. Literalism is wrong whether its the torah, the bible or the q'uran being used.
I'm fascinated by your belief that "If you're born that way, that makes it good and right". Does this mean that sociopaths like Ted Bundy shouldn't be told that this is wrong? People who are born with birth defects shouldn't try to have them repaired? Are all people perfect as they come out of the womb, no matter what? Or is it only homosexuals?
As it happens, though, the Bible doesn't teach that "your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong". It teaches that acting on certain urges is wrong, which is true. There are many urges that human beings have which are wrong to act on. You're just being pissy and hypersensitive because of the current perceived "holiness" that everyone is supposed to attach to homosexuality.
And sorry, but just because that happens to be what he latched onto STILL doesn't make the Bible responsible for what he did. The responsibility still, and always, rests with him, irregardless of what he chooses to try to justify it.
First of all, you are trying to compare sociopaths, people with birth defects and homosexuals.
Homosexuals are no more likely to have birth defects, nor be sociopaths than heterosexuals. Homosexuality is normal for homosexuals.
The bible teaches that gay people are wrong at our very essence, our being. I reject that. Buddhism teaches that we are essentially pure, and have Buddha nature. Had this man been counseled that it was ok to be gay, he may not have committed murder. He justified his violence based on the bible, wrong that gay people should be executed for being true to ourselves.
I don't understand how any self-respecting gay or lesbian person would worship a rejecting, punishing god.
Pffft. What do they know? Wonky. Has. Spoken.Beeep!!! Sorry, wrong answer.
Modern twentieth-century Communism is based on the theories of Karl Marx. Marx considered atheism as a key part of communism, and is famous for saying, "Religion ... is the opium of the masses." Marx was himself an atheist, of course, and he also wrote, "Communism begins from the outset with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction."
Vladimir Lenin wrote: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could."
In 1955, Chinese communist leader Chou En-lai declared, "We Communists are atheists".
If you can't believe the Communists themselves, who CAN you believe? Well, how about someone who lived and suffered under Communism?
"Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened. Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
It's not an accident that every society that has ever started out to be Communist either abandoned it early, or ended up persecuting religion.
Glad you're finally figuring this out, Davey.
Of course, the resident twat thinks she can pull out random quotes to prove that atheism is necessary in a communist society, but again she gets reamed by facts. The Marx/Engels manifesto says that religion disappears of its own accord under communism, not that it has to be outlawed by fiat.
Yanno.........you people who cite Leviticus as justification for hating gays, well......I've got 1 question for you......
Why are you using a manual that was written SPECIFICALLY for those of the Jewish faith who were the priests?
Are you guys Jewish priests? If not, then quit cherry picking.
What gets me is the selective use of Leviticus. Why isn't there more outcry about eating shellfish?
David Hume is a philosopher. He's a man, not a god.
That was my point!
God is a concept. He can't be God, because he has ordinary and negative emotions.
How exactly do you explain and justify your absolutes?
Don't question her. She'll think you're oppressing her.That was my point!
God is a concept. He can't be God, because he has ordinary and negative emotions.
Pretty sure of yourself.
If the bible teaches you that your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong, you're oppressed.
He chose the bible, not the q'uran or the torah. Literalism is wrong whether its the torah, the bible or the q'uran being used.
The Bible teaches you that you are weak and flawed. It also teaches you that only thru the grace of the Lord, can you overcome these. "He" wants you to join Him on His level (palaces in heaven). That is the Book narrowed down to a couple of sentences. The choices you make determine His judgement.
The bible teaches that you are flawed at your very being. Buddhism teaches that we have Buddha nature. That's one reason I'm a Buddhist.
If the bible teaches you that your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong, you're oppressed.
He chose the bible, not the q'uran or the torah. Literalism is wrong whether its the torah, the bible or the q'uran being used.
I'm fascinated by your belief that "If you're born that way, that makes it good and right". Does this mean that sociopaths like Ted Bundy shouldn't be told that this is wrong? People who are born with birth defects shouldn't try to have them repaired? Are all people perfect as they come out of the womb, no matter what? Or is it only homosexuals?
As it happens, though, the Bible doesn't teach that "your very being, who you are as a person, is wrong". It teaches that acting on certain urges is wrong, which is true. There are many urges that human beings have which are wrong to act on. You're just being pissy and hypersensitive because of the current perceived "holiness" that everyone is supposed to attach to homosexuality.
And sorry, but just because that happens to be what he latched onto STILL doesn't make the Bible responsible for what he did. The responsibility still, and always, rests with him, irregardless of what he chooses to try to justify it.
First of all, you are trying to compare sociopaths, people with birth defects and homosexuals.
Homosexuals are no more likely to have birth defects, nor be sociopaths than heterosexuals. Homosexuality is normal for homosexuals.
The bible teaches that gay people are wrong at our very essence, our being. I reject that. Buddhism teaches that we are essentially pure, and have Buddha nature. Had this man been counseled that it was ok to be gay, he may not have committed murder. He justified his violence based on the bible, wrong that gay people should be executed for being true to ourselves.
I don't understand how any self-respecting gay or lesbian person would worship a rejecting, punishing god.
