If Justice Kennedy Had Known A Christian Would Be Jailed Less Than 3 Months Later...

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well we don't really have to guess now about what Kennedy would say about Kim Davis being in jail for following her religious conscience.

From the actual June 15 "gay marriage mandate/Constitutional-revision" decision here are Kennedy's own words directly to the point:

Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons."
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf

So if the 1st Amendment and a Christian being jailed for failing to play along with "gay marriage" comes before Kennedy next year, I think we can reasonably predict how Kennedy will lean on that question.... In fact, a Christian being jailed so soon after he wrote those words in the Opinion might even be seen by himself as contempt of Court.

By writing what he did, he was saying to gay practitioners: "OK, you want tax breaks and to call yourself married? Fine. But don't push it.." 3 months later a Christian sat in jail because she wouldn't kneel at the ass-sex-as-married altar.

I hear what you're saying, but I disagree. Kennedy has no concern for Christian persecution...

 

[Silhouette]

Keys, you might want to read below what Kennedy's own words were from the June 2015 Opinion...

Nope we probably don't have to guess what he would say about an agent of the government using that government position to discriminate against citizens.

You're right. Because Kennedy would recognized that a person's 1st Amendment rights don't terminate because of where they are employed:

From the actual June 15 "gay marriage mandate/Constitutional-revision" decision here are Kennedy's own words directly to the point:

Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons." ~ Justice Kennedy, June 2015
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf

So if the 1st Amendment and a Christian being jailed for failing to play along with "gay marriage" comes before Kennedy next year, I think we can reasonably predict how Kennedy will lean on that question.... In fact, a Christian being jailed so soon after he wrote those words in the Opinion might even be seen by himself as contempt of Court.

By writing what he did, he was saying to gay practitioners: "OK, you want tax breaks and to call yourself married? Fine. But don't push it.." 3 months later a Christian sat in jail because she wouldn't kneel at the ass-sex-as-married altar. I'm thinking the Justice might be a little grumpy about that level of hubris directed at his words and warning to LGBTs..

 

[WorldWatcher]

Keys, you might want to read below what Kennedy's own words were from the June 2015 Opinion...

Nope we probably don't have to guess what he would say about an agent of the government using that government position to discriminate against citizens.

You're right. Because Kennedy would recognized that a person's 1st Amendment rights don't terminate because of where they are employed:

From the actual June 15 "gay marriage mandate/Constitutional-revision" decision here are Kennedy's own words directly to the point:

Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons." ~ Justice Kennedy, June 2015
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf

So if the 1st Amendment and a Christian being jailed for failing to play along with "gay marriage" comes before Kennedy next year, I think we can reasonably predict how Kennedy will lean on that question.... In fact, a Christian being jailed so soon after he wrote those words in the Opinion might even be seen by himself as contempt of Court.

By writing what he did, he was saying to gay practitioners: "OK, you want tax breaks and to call yourself married? Fine. But don't push it.." 3 months later a Christian sat in jail because she wouldn't kneel at the ass-sex-as-married altar. I'm thinking the Justice might be a little grumpy about that level of hubris directed at his words and warning to LGBTs..

And yet the SCOTUS denied her stay.

So assuming that the 4 Justices that voted against SSCM (Alito, Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts) that means that at the very least the 5 other Justices voted to deny the stay. Kennedy would have been in that group.

>>>>

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Bible says no such thing, but Jesus said to serve Caesar with that which is Caesar's and God with that which is God's.

If there is a question of free agency here, it is that of Davis.

SCOTUS has every right to order her to do her job.

Caesar isn't around. The US Constitution is though. And in it is the 1st and 9th Amendments. And, there is in fact a Commandment, direct, clear, undeniable, for Christians to not EVER assist the spread of homosexuality throughout a culture. Under pain of eternal soul-death for failing.

You can't be a lawyer with that 8th grade argument. Show me in the 1st and 9th Amendments or the Constitution where it says anything about "facilitaintg homosexuality."

Jesus is not around. Caesar is not around. The Constitution trumps and bumps the Bible.

Just the facts, ma'am, because you are lame.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, "a Christian sat in jail because she wouldn't kneel at the ass-sex-as-married altar", she sat in jail because she did not do her job.

 

[Silhouette]

No, "a Christian sat in jail because she wouldn't kneel at the ass-sex-as-married altar", she sat in jail because she did not do her job.

But her job newly-required her to abandon her faith. That is a legal-impossibility in the US. And Kennedy warned that that was so in his statement in the June 2015 Opinion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, "a Christian sat in jail because she wouldn't kneel at the ass-sex-as-married altar", she sat in jail because she did not do her job.

But her job newly-required her to abandon her faith. That is a legal-impossibility in the US. And Kennedy warned that that was so in his statement in the June 2015 Opinion.

What strange world you live in.

Your world must have been awful.

Kim can believe whatever she wants.

Kim can go to her church.

When Kim goes to work for the government, she is do to her job.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

No, "a Christian sat in jail because she wouldn't kneel at the ass-sex-as-married altar", she sat in jail because she did not do her job.

ROFLMNAO!

So jail is the consequence of 'not doing there job!'.

Well Reader, just sit back and bask in the glow of the tolerance and open-mindedness of the Progressives once they've managed to just give everyone equal rights... . They're animals.

Suffice it to say that there's no way this doesn't end in a bloody civil war.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"So jail is the consequence of 'not doing there job!'."

Yeah, her job is to issue certificates to those who qualify for certificates.

Her job is not to determine who qualifies or not based on whether they agree with her religious opinion.

If the far social con right rises up in war, they will be dirt napped. That far social con crazy right thinks war is the appropriate answer, they are not Americans and they hate the Constitution.

 

[Silhouette]

Kim can go to her church.

When Kim goes to work for the government, she is do to her job.

So to be clear, your position is that a person's religion has nothing to do with their daily life and the way they live?

 

[Syriusly]

Always looks for Keys' lies. They are Big Lies, like this one.

"The simple truth is that while homosexuals comprise only 2% of the human population, they account for over 30% of sexual abuse of children."

The fact is that homosexuals and heterosexuals commit assault against children and youth at about the same rates. Both groups of -sexuals commit pedophiliac crimes at about the same rates.

Mayo Clinic Special Article 2007....Pedophiles are usually attracted to a particular age range
and/or sex of child. Research categorizes male pedophiles
by whether they are attracted to only male children (homosexual
pedophilia), female children (heterosexual pedophilia),
or children from both sexes (bisexual pedophilia).
3,6,10,29 ...The percentage of homosexual pedophiles
ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20
times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other
adult men http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

So, of ALL child molestation, a demographic which makes up just 2% of the population is responsible for up to 40% of ALL molestations.

That's what you call a propensity within a demographic.

Also, what does this have to do with Kennedy's decision having known a Christian would be jailed less than 3 months later?

And once again Silhouette is lying. I will point out that she is specifically lying because I have pointed out this lie of hers over and over. Her own citation specifically says that Silhouette is lying.

Silhouette always leaves off the very next sentence- because Silhouette is a liar.

The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20
times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality
of 2%-4%).5,7,10,19,29,30

This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, just that a
larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children.
19

Silhouette lies.

Always.

She lies about the Prince's Study
She lies about this paper on Pedophiles.

Since she lies about such little things as these- why should we believe ANYTHING she claims?

 

[Syriusly]

Sil is telling the Big Lie. She is using Dr. R. Hall, a noted homophobe and mediocre doctor, as a source. Pwnd.

And you are right, your argument about supposedly sexually deviant behaviors were ignored by the Justice and all of his peers.

You don't have an argument that makes sense.

Actually Silhouette is just lying about what Dr. Hall said.

There is nothing in Dr. Hall's article which calls homosexuals pedophiles- that is all Silhouette's invention.

Dr. Hall's article is excellent- Silhouette just lies about what it says.

 

[Syriusly]

"If Justice Kennedy Had Known A Christian Would Be Jailed Less Than 3 Months Later..."

Justice Kennedy wouldn't have 'known' anything of the sort, given the fact no Christian was 'jailed' because of her faith.

Davis made the decision to be in contempt of court, and also made the decision to go to jail of her own free will, at liberty to leave whenever she wanted.

If Justice Kennedy would have known that an officer of a state, who swore to obey the Constitution and its case law – Article VI in particular –

Her attorney will argue that Kennedy & pals pinched Davis into this corral.

1. Abide by perverted behaviors that her faith told her she must not participate in any way in the normalizing thereof or
.

Her faith says she is to obey the law and authority.

Kim Davis is sinning against God when she disobeys the law.

 

[Syriusly]

The Bible has told Kim Davis that she cannot participate in the normalizing of homosexuality within a culture. .

The Bible says no such thing- anywhere- this is just your lie again.

The Bible does tell Kim Davis that she is to obey the law- and authority- because they represent God.

13 Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.

 

[Syriusly]

Well we don't really have to guess now about what Kennedy would say about Kim Davis being in jail for following her religious conscience.

From the actual June 15 "gay marriage mandate/Constitutional-revision" decision here are Kennedy's own words directly to the point:

Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons."
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf

So if the 1st Amendment and a Christian being jailed for failing to play along with "gay marriage" comes before Kennedy next year, I think we can reasonably predict how Kennedy will lean on that question.... In fact, a Christian being jailed so soon after he wrote those words in the Opinion might even be seen by himself as contempt of Court...

You might find it that- but since the Supreme Court refused to hear her case- they don't agree with you.

You history of correct predictions is 0.00%- so based upon your record- Kennedy will never agree with Ms. Davis.

Kim Davis can hold to her religious beliefs that homosexuals should not marry- but as an elected official- she can no more deny homosexuals marriage licenses based upon her 'religious' beliefs than she can refuse to issue Jews marriages licences based upon her religious beliefs.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Kim can go to her church.

When Kim goes to work for the government, she is do to her job.

So to be clear, your position is that a person's religion has nothing to do with their daily life and the way they live?

To be clear, and let's make sure you understand it, because your cognitive ability was impaired because of events in your past life.

1. She can believe whatever she wants.

2. She can worship as she wishes and go to church.

3. She cannot let her religious belief interfere with the provisions of her state job. If she did, she would be violating the Constitutional liberties of all to equal access and due process.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The second paragraph, which follows the one before it, in the study cite above, refutes Sil's arguments.

The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%-4%).5,7,10,19,29,30

This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children.

 

[Syriusly]

The second paragraph, which follows the one before it, in the study cite above, refutes Sil's arguments.

The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%-4%).5,7,10,19,29,30

This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children.

And Silhouette knows this- since I have probably pointed this out a few dozen times to her.

She is just blatantly lying.

Unless she is delusional. And that is a possbility.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sil (I am guessing here but I believe I am close to the truth, so I really feel for her) was seriously traumatized as a child. I think I can guess as to the cause. Without counseling and serious intervention, she cannot change. I am wondering if we should just leave her to it.

 

[Silhouette]

Yeah, cuz it can't be that I have a point, right?