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Yeah it turns out most of them agree about the Russian sabotage, and the rest are just pretty sure about it.It is the conclusion of all our intelligence gathering agencies that Russia mounted an espionage op against our election,there is no longer any question of that, the only question that remains is how much coordination was there between this Russian attack on our country and the Trump campaign.Do you actually think the Republicans would come out squeaky clean if they were hacked and leaked in a similar fashion? Thing is they almost certainly were hacked, but Putin kept that for another purpose: blackmail. The KGB were remarkably clever in the ways they blackmailed Americans to work for them, they have not forgotten how to do it just because they are calling themselves something different. Quit being such a partisan that you think your people are a more honest kind of politician.I am not holding my breath for impeachment but this shit cannot be allow to stand or your republican primary candidates will be courting the Russian endorsement every four years in order to be the one that gets access to Russian espionage materials on whoever the democrats nominate. Why to you want kissing Russian ass to become a normal part of American conservative politics?
The only reason the Russians would have anything on a Democrat like Hillary is that they were all crooks and it was easy. Had it been Bernie and not Hillary, they probably wouldn't have had anything worth while. Unless of course they had dirt on Bernie's wife!
Do even have evidence that the Russians hacked anything? Nope. Of course you don't! That is what makes all of your mental meanderings so pathetic. You cannot prove anything, so you just let your mouth run on and on without a filter.
Are you lying or did you miss that the media retracted the lie about all 17 agencies agreeing?
Page 7 of the PDF. And this is the declassified version.Do you actually think the Republicans would come out squeaky clean if they were hacked and leaked in a similar fashion? Thing is they almost certainly were hacked, but Putin kept that for another purpose: blackmail. The KGB were remarkably clever in the ways they blackmailed Americans to work for them, they have not forgotten how to do it just because they are calling themselves something different. Quit being such a partisan that you think your people are a more honest kind of politician.I am not holding my breath for impeachment but this shit cannot be allow to stand or your republican primary candidates will be courting the Russian endorsement every four years in order to be the one that gets access to Russian espionage materials on whoever the democrats nominate. Why to you want kissing Russian ass to become a normal part of American conservative politics?
The only reason the Russians would have anything on a Democrat like Hillary is that they were all crooks and it was easy. Had it been Bernie and not Hillary, they probably wouldn't have had anything worth while. Unless of course they had dirt on Bernie's wife!
Do even have evidence that the Russians hacked anything? Nope. Of course you don't! That is what makes all of your mental meanderings so pathetic. You cannot prove anything, so you just let your mouth run on and on without a filter.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations. We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.
We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.
Moscow’s approach evolved over the course of the campaign based on Russia’s understanding of the electoral prospects of the two main candidates. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency.
Further information has come to light since Election Day that, when combined with Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our confidence in our assessments of Russian motivations and goals. Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.” Russia, like its Soviet predecessor, has a history of conducting covert influence campaigns focused on US presidential elections that have used intelligence officers and agents and press placements to disparage candidates perceived as hostile to the Kremlin.
Russia’s intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with the 2016 US presidential election, including targets associated with both major US political parties.
We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to WikiLeaks.
Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.
Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences. We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.
This site is overwhelmingly conservative. Mods have ensured that. At any given moment, 35 - 40 of the 45 threads in the "active topics" tab was started by a GOP stooge.Wow. 3 votes for impeachment, 13 against. Russia must have hacked the OP's poll, right?
You need to learn how to read English, specifically multi-syllable words like "declassified".Page 7 of the PDF. And this is the declassified version.Do you actually think the Republicans would come out squeaky clean if they were hacked and leaked in a similar fashion? Thing is they almost certainly were hacked, but Putin kept that for another purpose: blackmail. The KGB were remarkably clever in the ways they blackmailed Americans to work for them, they have not forgotten how to do it just because they are calling themselves something different. Quit being such a partisan that you think your people are a more honest kind of politician.I am not holding my breath for impeachment but this shit cannot be allow to stand or your republican primary candidates will be courting the Russian endorsement every four years in order to be the one that gets access to Russian espionage materials on whoever the democrats nominate. Why to you want kissing Russian ass to become a normal part of American conservative politics?
The only reason the Russians would have anything on a Democrat like Hillary is that they were all crooks and it was easy. Had it been Bernie and not Hillary, they probably wouldn't have had anything worth while. Unless of course they had dirt on Bernie's wife!
Do even have evidence that the Russians hacked anything? Nope. Of course you don't! That is what makes all of your mental meanderings so pathetic. You cannot prove anything, so you just let your mouth run on and on without a filter.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations. We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.
We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.
Moscow’s approach evolved over the course of the campaign based on Russia’s understanding of the electoral prospects of the two main candidates. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency.
Further information has come to light since Election Day that, when combined with Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our confidence in our assessments of Russian motivations and goals. Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.” Russia, like its Soviet predecessor, has a history of conducting covert influence campaigns focused on US presidential elections that have used intelligence officers and agents and press placements to disparage candidates perceived as hostile to the Kremlin.
Russia’s intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with the 2016 US presidential election, including targets associated with both major US political parties.
We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to WikiLeaks.
Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.
Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences. We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.
You need to learn how to read intelligence summaries. Words such as "high confidence" means they have a gut feeling, but no proof.
That's "influence" being discussed throughout that document. Do you know what that word means?
I put the most important text in red, so you might see it.
If it didn't work for Bill Clinton, why do you think it will work now?The American people do not have to live through four years of an incompetent president nor even three years of an incompetent vice president that becomes president. Keep impeaching until we find a real president. America deserves better than what it has now, and gradually the Republican Party will agree for the sake of continuing the Republican party's good name.
He knew all those leaks came from Russian hacks and didn't care. Even if there was zero contact between the campaign and Russia (not) he still gleefully awaited the next wikileaks dump. It is almost certain that those leaks got him elected, which seems to be fine with you, but it's the equivalent in football to using a copy of the other team's playbook, sure you win but you cheapen the game. An honorable man would have not wanted to win that way and would have told Russia to butt out and not use their leaks. Even I would have respected Trump for that.Of course you would, you already let him have the last shred of moral standing the republicans had. Trump played dirty and won dirty and practically none of you feel any shame about that.It would change for the better immediately if you people were not grateful to Putin for helping put Trump in the white house. If any of you had an honorable bone in your bodies you would have rather won on the strength of policy and ideas, but you know that's a sure loss for a republican. Without fear and loathing and with optimism and empathy a republican is nothing but a democrat.Agreed. We're talking about two different things here: the fact Hillary and the DNC were corrupt and the fact the Russians tried to influence our election through cyberwarfare.
I have bad news for any of you clinging to the illusion that any of this hacking is unusual. It occurs 24/7/365. It will not go away or change for the better.
Hell I'd buy Putin a pint for helping us defeat Hillary.
There is another thing you accuse Trump of doing that no evidence supports. Come on buttercup! Embrace the suck of backing a loser like Hillary!
Trump might have suspected, but let's go with your idea that he "knew". Is that illegal? Did a single vote change because the Russians hacked the Democrats and released the emails to Wikileaks?He knew all those leaks came from Russian hacks and didn't care. Even if there was zero contact between the campaign and Russia (not) he still gleefully awaited the next wikileaks dump. It is almost certain that those leaks got him elected, which seems to be fine with you, but it's the equivalent in football to using a copy of the other team's playbook, sure you win but you cheapen the game. An honorable man would have not wanted to win that way and would have told Russia to butt out and not use their leaks. Even I would have respected Trump for that.Of course you would, you already let him have the last shred of moral standing the republicans had. Trump played dirty and won dirty and practically none of you feel any shame about that.It would change for the better immediately if you people were not grateful to Putin for helping put Trump in the white house. If any of you had an honorable bone in your bodies you would have rather won on the strength of policy and ideas, but you know that's a sure loss for a republican. Without fear and loathing and with optimism and empathy a republican is nothing but a democrat.I have bad news for any of you clinging to the illusion that any of this hacking is unusual. It occurs 24/7/365. It will not go away or change for the better.
Hell I'd buy Putin a pint for helping us defeat Hillary.
There is another thing you accuse Trump of doing that no evidence supports. Come on buttercup! Embrace the suck of backing a loser like Hillary!
You dumbasses, now you got Mike Pence for president.
He is a leftist's nightmare,
Trump is moderate compared to Mike Pence.
If you get rid of Trump, you're in for a world of pain. Mike Pence is uber-right wing.
Clinton was impeached and found not guilty. Was Clinton a threat to the American people? Trump may well be.If it didn't work for Bill Clinton, why do you think it will work now?The American people do not have to live through four years of an incompetent president nor even three years of an incompetent vice president that becomes president. Keep impeaching until we find a real president. America deserves better than what it has now, and gradually the Republican Party will agree for the sake of continuing the Republican party's good name.
He knew all those leaks came from Russian hacks and didn't care. Even if there was zero contact between the campaign and Russia (not) he still gleefully awaited the next wikileaks dump. It is almost certain that those leaks got him elected, which seems to be fine with you, but it's the equivalent in football to using a copy of the other team's playbook, sure you win but you cheapen the game. An honorable man would have not wanted to win that way and would have told Russia to butt out and not use their leaks. Even I would have respected Trump for that.
Explain how Trump could accidentally or intentionally launch a nuke, since there's a procedure in place called FAILSAFE.Well the point is that Trump has an infinitely higher chance of intentionally or accidentally launching a bunch of nukes than Pence. Which is why I answered yes to the OP's poll.Mike Pence is certainly a despicable human being, but at least I won't have to worry about him accidentally launching a bunch of nukes because he's a retard like Trump.
You think president Trump is going to "accidentally" launch a bunch of nukes... This is why you fruitcakes are no longer in charge.
Accidentally? Oh no, little snowflake. If he does, it will be 100% intentionally. That's what worries me.
Dummy, you just said "accidentally launching a bunch of nukes" I quoted you. Nancy Pelosi is that you behind that screen name?
Sounds like a good reason for CA's governor to avoid insulting tweets.You dumbasses, now you got Mike Pence for president.
He is a leftist's nightmare,
Trump is moderate compared to Mike Pence.
If you get rid of Trump, you're in for a world of pain. Mike Pence is uber-right wing.
Pence is a pig, but he's not a crazy pig. I wouldn't expect him to drop a nuke on California just because their governor sent him an insulting tweet. I'm not so sure if Trump would.
At one time, I would have written that off as a snide remark. Sadly, I suspect lots of his followers would encourage nuking California.
Of course the leaks helped Trump, do you actually think otherwise? It's practically all he used to attack the Clinton campaign. Just because I think you supported a scumbag does not mean I think Clinton was clean, I am just continually appalled that republicans have jettisoned their morals for a scumbag. I speak of things like honor and integrity and you people are acting like they are alien concepts when they are crucial for establishing the legitimacy to govern.Trump might have suspected, but let's go with your idea that he "knew". Is that illegal? Did a single vote change because the Russians hacked the Democrats and released the emails to Wikileaks?He knew all those leaks came from Russian hacks and didn't care. Even if there was zero contact between the campaign and Russia (not) he still gleefully awaited the next wikileaks dump. It is almost certain that those leaks got him elected, which seems to be fine with you, but it's the equivalent in football to using a copy of the other team's playbook, sure you win but you cheapen the game. An honorable man would have not wanted to win that way and would have told Russia to butt out and not use their leaks. Even I would have respected Trump for that.Of course you would, you already let him have the last shred of moral standing the republicans had. Trump played dirty and won dirty and practically none of you feel any shame about that.It would change for the better immediately if you people were not grateful to Putin for helping put Trump in the white house. If any of you had an honorable bone in your bodies you would have rather won on the strength of policy and ideas, but you know that's a sure loss for a republican. Without fear and loathing and with optimism and empathy a republican is nothing but a democrat.
Hell I'd buy Putin a pint for helping us defeat Hillary.
There is another thing you accuse Trump of doing that no evidence supports. Come on buttercup! Embrace the suck of backing a loser like Hillary!
An honorable woman wouldn't have accepted a nomination she knew was bought and paid for.
Hey if the left want to point the barrel end of a gun at themselves go ahead and let them pull the trigger.You dumbasses, now you got Mike Pence for president.
He is a leftist's nightmare,
Trump is moderate compared to Mike Pence.
If you get rid of Trump, you're in for a world of pain. Mike Pence is uber-right wing.
I've got a $25 bet riding that it will happen before the end of his term, but I really believe it will happen before the election.Even so, the Republicans would force a resignation behind the scenes rather than impeach.NFW will Trump be impeached for anything done so far. Not with a Republican Congress.You dumbasses, now you got Mike Pence for president.
He is a leftist's nightmare,
Trump is moderate compared to Mike Pence.
If you get rid of Trump, you're in for a world of pain. Mike Pence is uber-right wing.
You might want to change that to anything proven to be done so far. The investigation is just starting, and there might be a point that even Republicans can't be associated with Trump's crap.
Doesn't matter as long as it's done.
Explain how Trump could accidentally or intentionally launch a nuke, since there's a procedure in place called FAILSAFE.Well the point is that Trump has an infinitely higher chance of intentionally or accidentally launching a bunch of nukes than Pence. Which is why I answered yes to the OP's poll.Mike Pence is certainly a despicable human being, but at least I won't have to worry about him accidentally launching a bunch of nukes because he's a retard like Trump.
You think president Trump is going to "accidentally" launch a bunch of nukes... This is why you fruitcakes are no longer in charge.
Accidentally? Oh no, little snowflake. If he does, it will be 100% intentionally. That's what worries me.
Dummy, you just said "accidentally launching a bunch of nukes" I quoted you. Nancy Pelosi is that you behind that screen name?
Not quite true. It's not like a court of law. There's no "not guilty" for impeachment. It's a vote. Now, he was found guilty of a few other things in courts of law including SCOTUS.Clinton was impeached and found not guilty. Was Clinton a threat to the American people? Trump may well be.If it didn't work for Bill Clinton, why do you think it will work now?The American people do not have to live through four years of an incompetent president nor even three years of an incompetent vice president that becomes president. Keep impeaching until we find a real president. America deserves better than what it has now, and gradually the Republican Party will agree for the sake of continuing the Republican party's good name.
Awesome. I'm anxious to see your proof that people changed their votes based on the hacking. You'll be the first, btw.Of course the leaks helped Trump, do you actually think otherwise? It's practically all he used to attack the Clinton campaign. Just because I think you supported a scumbag does not mean I think Clinton was clean, I am just continually appalled that republicans have jettisoned their morals for a scumbag. I speak of things like honor and integrity and you people are acting like they are alien concepts when they are crucial for establishing the legitimacy to govern.