If Negros Had Been Left To Their Own Devices...

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Gosh I'm still waiting for that solemn history lesson about how Africans taught Europeans how to build civilizations...?

Give it a break. I only taunt Ass till he's jumping up and down then I leave him alone.

It's a bit like taunting a dumb animal after that.

Well, I wouldn't say my purpose is to be mean to Black people here, it's more about educating White people about the wrongs of anti-Racism, and why we need to think things through on race.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

So long as Coyote sub-species exist, I don't see why Human races don't exist.

 

[MaryL]

I used to think race was a superficial matter, and the mindset behind race was a placebo effect. I am beginning to wonder if there isn't something deeper in our DNA that effects our behavior. When I see family members with the same genetics have the same preferences act in the same ways, think the same way, or with twins and these strange coincidences behaviorally. Race, DNA may be more than skin deep. What if certain forms of behavior, say being more prone to violence, even racism itself where a behavioral trait that is genetic? In the list of things we may have inherited genetically, predilections to certain behaviors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Wow. That actually sounded lucid.

Give it a break. I only taunt Ass till he's jumping up and down then I leave him alone.

It's a bit like taunting a dumb animal after that.

Well, I wouldn't say my purpose is to be mean to Black people here, it's more about educating White people about the wrongs of anti-Racism, and why we need to think things through on race.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

My God you really put the ( I ) in idiot don't you? I understand that blogs and message boards are a forum for a wide variety of armchair pundits and budding social scientists...however after enough exposure to lavishly ignorant people like you the impulse to participate in discussion is defeated...

OK...now that you got that out of your system, would you like to remark on the actual topic?

 

[Asclepias]

I used to think race was a superficial matter, and the mindset behind race was a placebo effect. I am beginning to wonder if there isn't something deeper in our DNA that effects our behavior. When I see family members with the same genetics have the same preferences act in the same ways, think the same way, or with twins and these strange coincidences behaviorally. Race, DNA may be more than skin deep. What if certain forms of behavior, say being more prone to violence, even racism itself where a behavioral trait that is genetic? In the list of things we may have inherited genetically, predilections to certain behaviors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Wow. That actually sounded lucid.

Give it a break. I only taunt Ass till he's jumping up and down then I leave him alone.

It's a bit like taunting a dumb animal after that.

Well, I wouldn't say my purpose is to be mean to Black people here, it's more about educating White people about the wrongs of anti-Racism, and why we need to think things through on race.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

My God you really put the ( I ) in idiot don't you? I understand that blogs and message boards are a forum for a wide variety of armchair pundits and budding social scientists...however after enough exposure to lavishly ignorant people like you the impulse to participate in discussion is defeated...

You must be a rookie. The goal here is to present your point and if necessary back it up with documentation. So when I asked you for proof of your claim and you couldnt produce you lost. That was it. Game over. Everything else is just me making a mockery of you. If you were half as intelligent as you claim whites to be you would be able to participate and wouldnt have the impulse to quit. You are only quitting because you realize myself and any other Black person is by far your intellectual superior. Hell for that matter most whites are your intellectual superior.

 

[Asclepias]

Give it a break. I only taunt Ass till he's jumping up and down then I leave him alone.

It's a bit like taunting a dumb animal after that.

Well, I wouldn't say my purpose is to be mean to Black people here, it's more about educating White people about the wrongs of anti-Racism, and why we need to think things through on race.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

So long as Coyote sub-species exist, I don't see why Human races don't exist.

The human race does exist. All the other human races died out. Whats confusing you about this?

 

[Coyote]

We are some fifty years past the civil rights period dullard, your weak, pathetic line of excuses burnt out decades ago...blaming 'whitey' now says more about you than about 'whitey'...Blacks are their own worst enemy!

What does civil rights have to do with what I said? This is occurring as we speak.

Wow!!!! are you truly this clueless? A spate of opportunities were made available to Blacks as a result of critical Civil Rights legislation---including a number of disparate-impact rulings...Affirmative Action...Section-Eight housing...Welfare supplements...Food Stamps...Child-Care...Tuition Assistance...etc...etc. The vast majority of Blacks did nothing more than consume the 'freebies'...

Affrimative action has predominantly assisted white females, asians, hispanics, and lastly Blacks. All other races get the rest of that stuff and whites dominate the welfare recipients.

Wrong yet again moron...did you study ratios in school? Oh that's right they don't cover ratios in 3rd grade yet...in terms of population ratio Blacks dominate the welfare rolls...


Dispelling Myths: White Woman are not the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action
Posted on May 27, 2015 by Vijay Chokal-Ingam


Don’t believe everything that Jesse Jackson tells you.

There is a common myth that Affirmative Action benefits white women that has been perpetrated by many advocates of racial preferences including Jesse Jackson.

The logic goes that the standards of living, wages, and number of white women in positions of power has grown significantly since the advent of affirmative action in 1960’s, and therefore white women are the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Many studies and articles have made this claim. These studies largely ignore the effects of other factors and trends, such as economic convergence, changing social norms, and antidiscrimination laws, on the economic status of white woman.

Without going into great detail, its safe to say that there has been a large increase in the number and enforcement of antidiscrimination laws in the United States since the 1960’s. At the same time, social norms have also changed, encouraging woman to enter the workforce and seek higher education in fields such as architecture and medicine that were once largely restricted to men. These factors are separate from affirmative action and their economic impact is enormous but difficult to measure.

At the University of Chicago, were learned about another economic phenomena called convergence that may also help to improve the economic status of white woman. In the absence of legal, social, and economic pressures, the economic well being of two similar groups of people will converge. The classic example of economic convergence is the United Kingdom and Ireland. For centuries, Ireland was an exploited colony of the United Kingdom, with much lower standards of living. Heard of the Irish Potato Famine? It was caused by British mismanagement of the Irish economy. This all changed with the end of colonialism in the early 20th century and the independence of Ireland. Irish standards of living rapidly increased until they actually surpassed those of the United Kingdom. Of course, the European Union would love to claim credit for the “Celtic Tiger” of Ireland’s economic success, but the probable cause is actually simple economic convergence.

So how are Ireland and the UK relevant for white women and affirmative action? For centuries, white women were oppressed and discouraged from pursing education and employment opportunities based on social norms and law. However, white woman and men both have the same parents and the same economic starting point. As social, legal, and economic pressures against woman in the workforce and in higher education disappear, woman and men experience rapid economic convergence.

This leads to all the studies that claim that the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action are white woman. These studies are correct is saying that the standards of living, education, and wages of woman have increased dramatically since the 1960’s. However, they suffer from attribution bias. The authors are unable to separate the impact of changing laws, social norms, economic convergence, and affirmative action on the economic status of white woman. Since many of the authors of these studies are left-leaning affirmative action supporters, they have a tendency to attribute ALL of the positive changes in the status of woman to affirmative action.

Let’s be clear. Ending affirmative action does not mean abolishing antidiscrimination laws, preserving outdated social norms, and reversing economic convergence. Affirmative action opponents simply say that race and gender should not be used as factors in assessing the qualifications of candidates. The long term impact of this change is difficult to measure.

It’s not really valid to attribute the enormous improvement in the economic well being of white woman over the last 5 decades purely to affirmative action.

This is from a white woman. Sorry but it debunks your link.

Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone | TIME.com

Yup...as a white woman, who's mother and Aunt had to break professional glass ceilings in scientific fields and PhD's in traditionally men's program....it's true.

 

[Asclepias]

Who told you they were Mechtoid's? WTH is a Mechtoid?

Mechta - Afalou.

What makes you think they were Mechta Afalou?

Because of Jebel Sahaba remains not too far from Nabta Playa are rather Mechtoid (Mechta-Afalou type)

Archaeology and Language II

Highly doubt it. How would an advanced hominid disappear from the planet that was smart enough to do astronomy?

Well, U6 haplogroup might be Mechta-Afalou, if so then they didn't go extinct, but rather were absorbed by Natufian farmer types from the Near-East.

Why would think that and you have no proof? If they were absorbed that means they went extinct. Do you have access to a dictionary or is this a language issue since you are in Poland right?

 

[jillian]

Rushton did a lot of good work, but not all good work.

I have larger genitals, and a huge head (Presumably a huge brain), so no I don't agree with Rushton on that one, even if I do on most other things.

Never heard of the clown. Sounds like a fucking nut case. He kind of proves my point whites are not too smart.

...and yet Whites on average are a full 15 IQ points more intelligent than Blacks...you just cannot accept the fact that you strain to defend an inferior race of barbaric idiots...

If I made up a IQ test Blacks would be 360 IQ points more intelligent than whites. Thats what happens when the home team is playing at home. You just cannot accept the fact that you are recessive and you are inferior.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! If you made up an IQ test you would score in the sub-retarded range...to quote your own projections: "You just cannot accept the fact that you are recessive and you are inferior."

Youre trying way too hard white boy. You copied me just like monkeys do. You have recessive genes and I know it makes you insecure.

If you whites were so smart why did Africans have to educate your people twice?

Smart white people.

there are smart white people. he just isn't one of them. so you might want to not stoop to his level by painting with that broad brush. no?

 

[jillian]

We are some fifty years past the civil rights period dullard, your weak, pathetic line of excuses burnt out decades ago...blaming 'whitey' now says more about you than about 'whitey'...Blacks are their own worst enemy!

What does civil rights have to do with what I said? This is occurring as we speak.

Wow!!!! are you truly this clueless? A spate of opportunities were made available to Blacks as a result of critical Civil Rights legislation---including a number of disparate-impact rulings...Affirmative Action...Section-Eight housing...Welfare supplements...Food Stamps...Child-Care...Tuition Assistance...etc...etc. The vast majority of Blacks did nothing more than consume the 'freebies'...

Affrimative action has predominantly assisted white females, asians, hispanics, and lastly Blacks. All other races get the rest of that stuff and whites dominate the welfare recipients.

Wrong yet again moron...did you study ratios in school? Oh that's right they don't cover ratios in 3rd grade yet...in terms of population ratio Blacks dominate the welfare rolls...


Dispelling Myths: White Woman are not the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action
Posted on May 27, 2015 by Vijay Chokal-Ingam


Don’t believe everything that Jesse Jackson tells you.

There is a common myth that Affirmative Action benefits white women that has been perpetrated by many advocates of racial preferences including Jesse Jackson.

The logic goes that the standards of living, wages, and number of white women in positions of power has grown significantly since the advent of affirmative action in 1960’s, and therefore white women are the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Many studies and articles have made this claim. These studies largely ignore the effects of other factors and trends, such as economic convergence, changing social norms, and antidiscrimination laws, on the economic status of white woman.

Without going into great detail, its safe to say that there has been a large increase in the number and enforcement of antidiscrimination laws in the United States since the 1960’s. At the same time, social norms have also changed, encouraging woman to enter the workforce and seek higher education in fields such as architecture and medicine that were once largely restricted to men. These factors are separate from affirmative action and their economic impact is enormous but difficult to measure.

At the University of Chicago, were learned about another economic phenomena called convergence that may also help to improve the economic status of white woman. In the absence of legal, social, and economic pressures, the economic well being of two similar groups of people will converge. The classic example of economic convergence is the United Kingdom and Ireland. For centuries, Ireland was an exploited colony of the United Kingdom, with much lower standards of living. Heard of the Irish Potato Famine? It was caused by British mismanagement of the Irish economy. This all changed with the end of colonialism in the early 20th century and the independence of Ireland. Irish standards of living rapidly increased until they actually surpassed those of the United Kingdom. Of course, the European Union would love to claim credit for the “Celtic Tiger” of Ireland’s economic success, but the probable cause is actually simple economic convergence.

So how are Ireland and the UK relevant for white women and affirmative action? For centuries, white women were oppressed and discouraged from pursing education and employment opportunities based on social norms and law. However, white woman and men both have the same parents and the same economic starting point. As social, legal, and economic pressures against woman in the workforce and in higher education disappear, woman and men experience rapid economic convergence.

This leads to all the studies that claim that the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action are white woman. These studies are correct is saying that the standards of living, education, and wages of woman have increased dramatically since the 1960’s. However, they suffer from attribution bias. The authors are unable to separate the impact of changing laws, social norms, economic convergence, and affirmative action on the economic status of white woman. Since many of the authors of these studies are left-leaning affirmative action supporters, they have a tendency to attribute ALL of the positive changes in the status of woman to affirmative action.

Let’s be clear. Ending affirmative action does not mean abolishing antidiscrimination laws, preserving outdated social norms, and reversing economic convergence. Affirmative action opponents simply say that race and gender should not be used as factors in assessing the qualifications of candidates. The long term impact of this change is difficult to measure.

It’s not really valid to attribute the enormous improvement in the economic well being of white woman over the last 5 decades purely to affirmative action.

This is from a white woman. Sorry but it debunks your link.

Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone | TIME.com

I don't believe that's true and I haven't seen any evidence of that.

 

[MaryL]

I used to think race was a superficial matter, and the mindset behind race was a placebo effect. I am beginning to wonder if there isn't something deeper in our DNA that effects our behavior. When I see family members with the same genetics have the same preferences act in the same ways, think the same way, or with twins and these strange coincidences behaviorally. Race, DNA may be more than skin deep. What if certain forms of behavior, say being more prone to violence, even racism itself where a behavioral trait that is genetic? In the list of things we may have inherited genetically, predilections to certain behaviors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Wow. That actually sounded lucid.

Well, I wouldn't say my purpose is to be mean to Black people here, it's more about educating White people about the wrongs of anti-Racism, and why we need to think things through on race.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

My God you really put the ( I ) in idiot don't you? I understand that blogs and message boards are a forum for a wide variety of armchair pundits and budding social scientists...however after enough exposure to lavishly ignorant people like you the impulse to participate in discussion is defeated...

You must be a rookie. The goal here is to present your point and if necessary back it up with documentation. So when I asked you for proof of your claim and you couldnt produce you lost. That was it. Game over. Everything else is just me making a mockery of you. If you were half as intelligent as you claim whites to be you would be able to participate and wouldnt have the impulse to quit. You are only quitting because you realize myself and any other Black person is by far your intellectual superior. Hell for that matter most whites are your intellectual superior.

?
I never actual mentioned what race I was, what research did you use to jump to that conclusion, captain superiority? About that, you seem to need to prove something. I don't care , bubba. Blather on.

 

[Ventura77]

I used to think race was a superficial matter, and the mindset behind race was a placebo effect. I am beginning to wonder if there isn't something deeper in our DNA that effects our behavior. When I see family members with the same genetics have the same preferences act in the same ways, think the same way, or with twins and these strange coincidences behaviorally. Race, DNA may be more than skin deep. What if certain forms of behavior, say being more prone to violence, even racism itself where a behavioral trait that is genetic? In the list of things we may have inherited genetically, predilections to certain behaviors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Wow. That actually sounded lucid.

Well, I wouldn't say my purpose is to be mean to Black people here, it's more about educating White people about the wrongs of anti-Racism, and why we need to think things through on race.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

My God you really put the ( I ) in idiot don't you? I understand that blogs and message boards are a forum for a wide variety of armchair pundits and budding social scientists...however after enough exposure to lavishly ignorant people like you the impulse to participate in discussion is defeated...

You must be a rookie. The goal here is to present your point and if necessary back it up with documentation. So when I asked you for proof of your claim and you couldnt produce you lost. That was it. Game over. Everything else is just me making a mockery of you. If you were half as intelligent as you claim whites to be you would be able to participate and wouldnt have the impulse to quit. You are only quitting because you realize myself and any other Black person is by far your intellectual superior. Hell for that matter most whites are your intellectual superior.

You seem to be wandering again from the primary point giggles: you typically indulge a set of reckless claims which I have yet to see proof for, example I demanded proof for your astounding theory that Africans taught Europeans the art of civilization...alas only crickets. I would normally advise a measure of humility, but that would be wasted advice...as to your estimation of 'rookie' I've been doing this since 2000...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Well, I wouldn't say my purpose is to be mean to Black people here, it's more about educating White people about the wrongs of anti-Racism, and why we need to think things through on race.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

So long as Coyote sub-species exist, I don't see why Human races don't exist.

The human race does exist. All the other human races died out. Whats confusing you about this?

On my map posted, at least 4 of the Coyote sub-species are basically creations from migrations starting at the turn of the 20th century.

So, if Humans split for much longer aren't different races, how are these Coyotes different sub-species?

 

[Asclepias]

I used to think race was a superficial matter, and the mindset behind race was a placebo effect. I am beginning to wonder if there isn't something deeper in our DNA that effects our behavior. When I see family members with the same genetics have the same preferences act in the same ways, think the same way, or with twins and these strange coincidences behaviorally. Race, DNA may be more than skin deep. What if certain forms of behavior, say being more prone to violence, even racism itself where a behavioral trait that is genetic? In the list of things we may have inherited genetically, predilections to certain behaviors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Wow. That actually sounded lucid.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

My God you really put the ( I ) in idiot don't you? I understand that blogs and message boards are a forum for a wide variety of armchair pundits and budding social scientists...however after enough exposure to lavishly ignorant people like you the impulse to participate in discussion is defeated...

You must be a rookie. The goal here is to present your point and if necessary back it up with documentation. So when I asked you for proof of your claim and you couldnt produce you lost. That was it. Game over. Everything else is just me making a mockery of you. If you were half as intelligent as you claim whites to be you would be able to participate and wouldnt have the impulse to quit. You are only quitting because you realize myself and any other Black person is by far your intellectual superior. Hell for that matter most whites are your intellectual superior.

?
I never actual mentioned what race I was, what research did you use to jump to that conclusion, captain superiority? About that, you seem to need to prove something. I don't care , bubba. Blather on.

Did you reply to the wrong post?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Never heard of the clown. Sounds like a fucking nut case. He kind of proves my point whites are not too smart.

...and yet Whites on average are a full 15 IQ points more intelligent than Blacks...you just cannot accept the fact that you strain to defend an inferior race of barbaric idiots...

If I made up a IQ test Blacks would be 360 IQ points more intelligent than whites. Thats what happens when the home team is playing at home. You just cannot accept the fact that you are recessive and you are inferior.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! If you made up an IQ test you would score in the sub-retarded range...to quote your own projections: "You just cannot accept the fact that you are recessive and you are inferior."

Youre trying way too hard white boy. You copied me just like monkeys do. You have recessive genes and I know it makes you insecure.

If you whites were so smart why did Africans have to educate your people twice?

Smart white people.

there are smart white people. he just isn't one of them. so you might want to not stoop to his level by painting with that broad brush. no?

I suppose it's only stupid , evil, and wrong when Whites are racist, when all other races are racist it's kind of "Cool", huh?

 

[Ventura77]

What does civil rights have to do with what I said? This is occurring as we speak.

Wow!!!! are you truly this clueless? A spate of opportunities were made available to Blacks as a result of critical Civil Rights legislation---including a number of disparate-impact rulings...Affirmative Action...Section-Eight housing...Welfare supplements...Food Stamps...Child-Care...Tuition Assistance...etc...etc. The vast majority of Blacks did nothing more than consume the 'freebies'...

Affrimative action has predominantly assisted white females, asians, hispanics, and lastly Blacks. All other races get the rest of that stuff and whites dominate the welfare recipients.

Wrong yet again moron...did you study ratios in school? Oh that's right they don't cover ratios in 3rd grade yet...in terms of population ratio Blacks dominate the welfare rolls...


Dispelling Myths: White Woman are not the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action
Posted on May 27, 2015 by Vijay Chokal-Ingam


Don’t believe everything that Jesse Jackson tells you.

There is a common myth that Affirmative Action benefits white women that has been perpetrated by many advocates of racial preferences including Jesse Jackson.

The logic goes that the standards of living, wages, and number of white women in positions of power has grown significantly since the advent of affirmative action in 1960’s, and therefore white women are the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Many studies and articles have made this claim. These studies largely ignore the effects of other factors and trends, such as economic convergence, changing social norms, and antidiscrimination laws, on the economic status of white woman.

Without going into great detail, its safe to say that there has been a large increase in the number and enforcement of antidiscrimination laws in the United States since the 1960’s. At the same time, social norms have also changed, encouraging woman to enter the workforce and seek higher education in fields such as architecture and medicine that were once largely restricted to men. These factors are separate from affirmative action and their economic impact is enormous but difficult to measure.

At the University of Chicago, were learned about another economic phenomena called convergence that may also help to improve the economic status of white woman. In the absence of legal, social, and economic pressures, the economic well being of two similar groups of people will converge. The classic example of economic convergence is the United Kingdom and Ireland. For centuries, Ireland was an exploited colony of the United Kingdom, with much lower standards of living. Heard of the Irish Potato Famine? It was caused by British mismanagement of the Irish economy. This all changed with the end of colonialism in the early 20th century and the independence of Ireland. Irish standards of living rapidly increased until they actually surpassed those of the United Kingdom. Of course, the European Union would love to claim credit for the “Celtic Tiger” of Ireland’s economic success, but the probable cause is actually simple economic convergence.

So how are Ireland and the UK relevant for white women and affirmative action? For centuries, white women were oppressed and discouraged from pursing education and employment opportunities based on social norms and law. However, white woman and men both have the same parents and the same economic starting point. As social, legal, and economic pressures against woman in the workforce and in higher education disappear, woman and men experience rapid economic convergence.

This leads to all the studies that claim that the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action are white woman. These studies are correct is saying that the standards of living, education, and wages of woman have increased dramatically since the 1960’s. However, they suffer from attribution bias. The authors are unable to separate the impact of changing laws, social norms, economic convergence, and affirmative action on the economic status of white woman. Since many of the authors of these studies are left-leaning affirmative action supporters, they have a tendency to attribute ALL of the positive changes in the status of woman to affirmative action.

Let’s be clear. Ending affirmative action does not mean abolishing antidiscrimination laws, preserving outdated social norms, and reversing economic convergence. Affirmative action opponents simply say that race and gender should not be used as factors in assessing the qualifications of candidates. The long term impact of this change is difficult to measure.

It’s not really valid to attribute the enormous improvement in the economic well being of white woman over the last 5 decades purely to affirmative action.

This is from a white woman. Sorry but it debunks your link.

Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone | TIME.com

Yup...as a white woman, who's mother and Aunt had to break professional glass ceilings in scientific fields and PhD's in traditionally men's program....it's true.

anecdotal...

 

[Asclepias]

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

So long as Coyote sub-species exist, I don't see why Human races don't exist.

The human race does exist. All the other human races died out. Whats confusing you about this?

On my map posted, at least 4 of the Coyote sub-species are basically creations from migrations starting at the turn of the 20th century.

So, if Humans split for much longer aren't different races, how are these Coyotes different sub-species?

Because someone said they were and no one protested?

 

[Coyote]

I used to think race was a superficial matter, and the mindset behind race was a placebo effect. I am beginning to wonder if there isn't something deeper in our DNA that effects our behavior. When I see family members with the same genetics have the same preferences act in the same ways, think the same way, or with twins and these strange coincidences behaviorally. Race, DNA may be more than skin deep. What if certain forms of behavior, say being more prone to violence, even racism itself where a behavioral trait that is genetic? In the list of things we may have inherited genetically, predilections to certain behaviors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Actually....racism in a way IS hardwired...though not in the way people think. If I recall what I read, fear/distrust of the other (whatever tribe is different) has a biological value in primitive societies. One hopes that one's brain overcomes those instincts.

The problem is race itself is poorly defined - when does white become black and black become white?

 

[Asclepias]

I used to think race was a superficial matter, and the mindset behind race was a placebo effect. I am beginning to wonder if there isn't something deeper in our DNA that effects our behavior. When I see family members with the same genetics have the same preferences act in the same ways, think the same way, or with twins and these strange coincidences behaviorally. Race, DNA may be more than skin deep. What if certain forms of behavior, say being more prone to violence, even racism itself where a behavioral trait that is genetic? In the list of things we may have inherited genetically, predilections to certain behaviors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Wow. That actually sounded lucid.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

My God you really put the ( I ) in idiot don't you? I understand that blogs and message boards are a forum for a wide variety of armchair pundits and budding social scientists...however after enough exposure to lavishly ignorant people like you the impulse to participate in discussion is defeated...

You must be a rookie. The goal here is to present your point and if necessary back it up with documentation. So when I asked you for proof of your claim and you couldnt produce you lost. That was it. Game over. Everything else is just me making a mockery of you. If you were half as intelligent as you claim whites to be you would be able to participate and wouldnt have the impulse to quit. You are only quitting because you realize myself and any other Black person is by far your intellectual superior. Hell for that matter most whites are your intellectual superior.

You seem to be wandering again from the primary point giggles: you typically indulge a set of reckless claims which I have yet to see proof for, example I demanded proof for your astounding theory that Africans taught Europeans the art of civilization...alas only crickets. I would normally advise a measure of humility, but that would be wasted advice...as to your estimation of 'rookie' I've been doing this since 2000...

You were assigned one job. That was to prove there was no Black civilizations. You dont get to question me until you fulfil that claim by posting your evidence. After you do that then we can proceed to your question. Sorry bub but those are my rules.

 

[jillian]

...and yet Whites on average are a full 15 IQ points more intelligent than Blacks...you just cannot accept the fact that you strain to defend an inferior race of barbaric idiots...

If I made up a IQ test Blacks would be 360 IQ points more intelligent than whites. Thats what happens when the home team is playing at home. You just cannot accept the fact that you are recessive and you are inferior.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! If you made up an IQ test you would score in the sub-retarded range...to quote your own projections: "You just cannot accept the fact that you are recessive and you are inferior."

Youre trying way too hard white boy. You copied me just like monkeys do. You have recessive genes and I know it makes you insecure.

If you whites were so smart why did Africans have to educate your people twice?

Smart white people.

there are smart white people. he just isn't one of them. so you might want to not stoop to his level by painting with that broad brush. no?

I suppose it's only stupid , evil, and wrong when Whites are racist, when all other races are racist it's kind of "Cool", huh?

I think it's perfectly fine for someone who's a person of color to respond to white supremacists any way they feel appropriate. They do not have to be solicitous of white supremacists or feign tolerance for that disgusting condition which should have disappeared long ago

 

[Asclepias]

What does civil rights have to do with what I said? This is occurring as we speak.

Wow!!!! are you truly this clueless? A spate of opportunities were made available to Blacks as a result of critical Civil Rights legislation---including a number of disparate-impact rulings...Affirmative Action...Section-Eight housing...Welfare supplements...Food Stamps...Child-Care...Tuition Assistance...etc...etc. The vast majority of Blacks did nothing more than consume the 'freebies'...

Affrimative action has predominantly assisted white females, asians, hispanics, and lastly Blacks. All other races get the rest of that stuff and whites dominate the welfare recipients.

Wrong yet again moron...did you study ratios in school? Oh that's right they don't cover ratios in 3rd grade yet...in terms of population ratio Blacks dominate the welfare rolls...


Dispelling Myths: White Woman are not the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action
Posted on May 27, 2015 by Vijay Chokal-Ingam


Don’t believe everything that Jesse Jackson tells you.

There is a common myth that Affirmative Action benefits white women that has been perpetrated by many advocates of racial preferences including Jesse Jackson.

The logic goes that the standards of living, wages, and number of white women in positions of power has grown significantly since the advent of affirmative action in 1960’s, and therefore white women are the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Many studies and articles have made this claim. These studies largely ignore the effects of other factors and trends, such as economic convergence, changing social norms, and antidiscrimination laws, on the economic status of white woman.

Without going into great detail, its safe to say that there has been a large increase in the number and enforcement of antidiscrimination laws in the United States since the 1960’s. At the same time, social norms have also changed, encouraging woman to enter the workforce and seek higher education in fields such as architecture and medicine that were once largely restricted to men. These factors are separate from affirmative action and their economic impact is enormous but difficult to measure.

At the University of Chicago, were learned about another economic phenomena called convergence that may also help to improve the economic status of white woman. In the absence of legal, social, and economic pressures, the economic well being of two similar groups of people will converge. The classic example of economic convergence is the United Kingdom and Ireland. For centuries, Ireland was an exploited colony of the United Kingdom, with much lower standards of living. Heard of the Irish Potato Famine? It was caused by British mismanagement of the Irish economy. This all changed with the end of colonialism in the early 20th century and the independence of Ireland. Irish standards of living rapidly increased until they actually surpassed those of the United Kingdom. Of course, the European Union would love to claim credit for the “Celtic Tiger” of Ireland’s economic success, but the probable cause is actually simple economic convergence.

So how are Ireland and the UK relevant for white women and affirmative action? For centuries, white women were oppressed and discouraged from pursing education and employment opportunities based on social norms and law. However, white woman and men both have the same parents and the same economic starting point. As social, legal, and economic pressures against woman in the workforce and in higher education disappear, woman and men experience rapid economic convergence.

This leads to all the studies that claim that the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action are white woman. These studies are correct is saying that the standards of living, education, and wages of woman have increased dramatically since the 1960’s. However, they suffer from attribution bias. The authors are unable to separate the impact of changing laws, social norms, economic convergence, and affirmative action on the economic status of white woman. Since many of the authors of these studies are left-leaning affirmative action supporters, they have a tendency to attribute ALL of the positive changes in the status of woman to affirmative action.

Let’s be clear. Ending affirmative action does not mean abolishing antidiscrimination laws, preserving outdated social norms, and reversing economic convergence. Affirmative action opponents simply say that race and gender should not be used as factors in assessing the qualifications of candidates. The long term impact of this change is difficult to measure.

It’s not really valid to attribute the enormous improvement in the economic well being of white woman over the last 5 decades purely to affirmative action.

This is from a white woman. Sorry but it debunks your link.

Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone | TIME.com

I don't believe that's true and I haven't seen any evidence of that.

Its the truth. There are a lot of stats on it too.

 

[Ventura77]

I used to think race was a superficial matter, and the mindset behind race was a placebo effect. I am beginning to wonder if there isn't something deeper in our DNA that effects our behavior. When I see family members with the same genetics have the same preferences act in the same ways, think the same way, or with twins and these strange coincidences behaviorally. Race, DNA may be more than skin deep. What if certain forms of behavior, say being more prone to violence, even racism itself where a behavioral trait that is genetic? In the list of things we may have inherited genetically, predilections to certain behaviors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Wow. That actually sounded lucid.

We can't even define race in a meaningful way...

The Coyote sub-species come from Plains Coyotes who just spread out mostly since the 1940's. the most famous example the Eastern Coyote which came to the Eastern seaboard since the 1940's, and is considered a sub-species from Plains Coyotes, mixed with Wolf, and Dog.

Now, how is that anymore meaningful distinction, than Humans which some have been generally split for at least 40,000 years (Europeans vs Asians)
In fact Eurasians, and Africans could be split for 100,000 years.
Some Africans like Bushman might be split from other Africans even more than 100,000.

What you dont seem to get is those are just labels made up by the people that were last to civilization. Would you trust someone that just graduated kindergarten with setting up a classification system over someone thats teaching classes in college?

My God you really put the ( I ) in idiot don't you? I understand that blogs and message boards are a forum for a wide variety of armchair pundits and budding social scientists...however after enough exposure to lavishly ignorant people like you the impulse to participate in discussion is defeated...

You must be a rookie. The goal here is to present your point and if necessary back it up with documentation. So when I asked you for proof of your claim and you couldnt produce you lost. That was it. Game over. Everything else is just me making a mockery of you. If you were half as intelligent as you claim whites to be you would be able to participate and wouldnt have the impulse to quit. You are only quitting because you realize myself and any other Black person is by far your intellectual superior. Hell for that matter most whites are your intellectual superior.

You seem to be wandering again from the primary point giggles: you typically indulge a set of reckless claims which I have yet to see proof for, example I demanded proof for your astounding theory that Africans taught Europeans the art of civilization...alas only crickets. I would normally advise a measure of humility, but that would be wasted advice...as to your estimation of 'rookie' I've been doing this since 2000...

Assclepias: "You are only quitting because you realize myself and any other Black person is by far your intellectual superior."


The comment clearly speaks for itself...thereby proving my very point