If only landowners voted, would we have a welfare state?

[Marion Morrison]

There's enough land in the US for everyone to own property.

Some people don't want to as it requires work to maintain.

Not everyone has enough money for a mortgage or the down payment, let alone the upkeep.
It doesn't mean they don't have a right to a say in their government. If it affects their lives, they have a right to vote about it, whether they are well off enough to own land or not.

Interesting tidbit: Most of the people on welfare don't vote. They know the system is set up to screw them and they don't trust any of 'em. This is true, I've worked with poor folks a long time. They don't vote.

That was a problem then too. Newly arrived citizens couldnt afford land, for the most part. So they WORKED for it.

You're far too young to be talking like this.

People are still WORKING for it, ya jamoke. Not all can achieve it. So they don't deserve the same rights you have because you're RICHER than them?
Ewwww.....that smells really bad, Harley.

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

Well.....which one of them pays the bills to make the country go 'round?

 

[bendog]

The 1890s were America's high point.

 

[OldLady]

Not everyone has enough money for a mortgage or the down payment, let alone the upkeep.
It doesn't mean they don't have a right to a say in their government. If it affects their lives, they have a right to vote about it, whether they are well off enough to own land or not.

Interesting tidbit: Most of the people on welfare don't vote. They know the system is set up to screw them and they don't trust any of 'em. This is true, I've worked with poor folks a long time. They don't vote.

That was a problem then too. Newly arrived citizens couldnt afford land, for the most part. So they WORKED for it.

You're far too young to be talking like this.

People are still WORKING for it, ya jamoke. Not all can achieve it. So they don't deserve the same rights you have because you're RICHER than them?
Ewwww.....that smells really bad, Harley.

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

Well.....which one of them pays the bills to make the country go 'round?

I've told this story before, so forgive me if you've heard it.

Having done a deep dive into local records doing genealogy, I discovered that lots of the little towns in frontier Maine before the Revolution were chipping in to pay room and board for an orphan or someone who was otherwise called "indigent," including doctor bills. If it was a town member, they weren't going to let them starve or freeze.
We were doing that as a society BEFORE your frickin Constitution, TNHarley . It is because we are civilized. I know our welfare system needs reform, but what we've created is going to take a lot more than kicking them out the door and telling them to get a job. That's stupid talk, right there.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I dont think we would. At least, not much of one.
Weak people vote for policies for the weak because they have no skin in the game. Doesnt that make sense?
Im not saying i want to go back to just land owners voting. Im just saying we should have kept it that way

Interesting question. But that would still cut out the vast majority of "homeowners".

About 65% of "Homeowners" don't own their home. The mortgage company actually holds title to the home and the land until the mortgage is complete. (U.S. Mortgage Market Statistics: 2017 - MagnifyMoney)


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Secondly, can I buy a 1 acre plot of land in the country and sub-divide it into 1 inch plots that I can sell so people become landowners? :mrgreen:



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[TNHarley]

There's enough land in the US for everyone to own property.

Some people don't want to as it requires work to maintain.

Not everyone has enough money for a mortgage or the down payment, let alone the upkeep.
It doesn't mean they don't have a right to a say in their government. If it affects their lives, they have a right to vote about it, whether they are well off enough to own land or not.

Interesting tidbit: Most of the people on welfare don't vote. They know the system is set up to screw them and they don't trust any of 'em. This is true, I've worked with poor folks a long time. They don't vote.

That was a problem then too. Newly arrived citizens couldnt afford land, for the most part. So they WORKED for it.

You're far too young to be talking like this.

People are still WORKING for it, ya jamoke. Not all can achieve it. So they don't deserve the same rights you have because you're RICHER than them?
Ewwww.....that smells really bad, Harley.

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

bless your heart!

 

[TNHarley]

That was a problem then too. Newly arrived citizens couldnt afford land, for the most part. So they WORKED for it.

You're far too young to be talking like this.

People are still WORKING for it, ya jamoke. Not all can achieve it. So they don't deserve the same rights you have because you're RICHER than them?
Ewwww.....that smells really bad, Harley.

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

Well.....which one of them pays the bills to make the country go 'round?

I've told this story before, so forgive me if you've heard it.

Having done a deep dive into local records doing genealogy, I discovered that lots of the little towns in frontier Maine before the Revolution were chipping in to pay room and board for an orphan or someone who was otherwise called "indigent," including doctor bills. If it was a town member, they weren't going to let them starve or freeze.
We were doing that as a society BEFORE your frickin Constitution, TNHarley . It is because we are civilized. I know our welfare system needs reform, but what we've created is going to take a lot more than kicking them out the door and telling them to get a job. That's stupid talk, right there.

indeed. Giving them free shit has worked out so well. Excellent catch.
Its also funny cause you are equating our constitution to local efforts

 

[OldLady]

Not everyone has enough money for a mortgage or the down payment, let alone the upkeep.
It doesn't mean they don't have a right to a say in their government. If it affects their lives, they have a right to vote about it, whether they are well off enough to own land or not.

Interesting tidbit: Most of the people on welfare don't vote. They know the system is set up to screw them and they don't trust any of 'em. This is true, I've worked with poor folks a long time. They don't vote.

That was a problem then too. Newly arrived citizens couldnt afford land, for the most part. So they WORKED for it.

You're far too young to be talking like this.

People are still WORKING for it, ya jamoke. Not all can achieve it. So they don't deserve the same rights you have because you're RICHER than them?
Ewwww.....that smells really bad, Harley.

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

bless your heart!

You're the one using The Little Red Hen as your supporting argument.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I dont think we would. At least, not much of one.
Weak people vote for policies for the weak because they have no skin in the game. Doesnt that make sense?
Im not saying i want to go back to just land owners voting. Im just saying we should have kept it that way

Interesting question. But that would still cut out the vast majority of "homeowners".

About 65% of "Homeowners" don't own their home. The mortgage company actually holds title to the home and the land until the mortgage is complete. (U.S. Mortgage Market Statistics: 2017 - MagnifyMoney)


*************

Secondly, can I buy a 1 acre plot of land in the country and sub-divide it into 1 inch plots that I can sell so people become landowners? :mrgreen:



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That should change, and the price of housing is inflated. I'm seriously considering doing what I can about it.

 

[Brain357]

How about just millionaires? Haha. What a stupid concept.

 

[TNHarley]

I dont think we would. At least, not much of one.
Weak people vote for policies for the weak because they have no skin in the game. Doesnt that make sense?
Im not saying i want to go back to just land owners voting. Im just saying we should have kept it that way

Interesting question. But that would still cut out the vast majority of "homeowners".

About 65% of "Homeowners" don't own their home. The mortgage company actually holds title to the home and the land until the mortgage is complete. (U.S. Mortgage Market Statistics: 2017 - MagnifyMoney)


*************

Secondly, can I buy a 1 acre plot of land in the country and sub-divide it into 1 inch plots that I can sell so people become landowners? :mrgreen:



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Im not for sure of amount(it also varied) but there was a certain requirement for that to work. Pretty sure 1" plots wouldnt cut it lol.
And IDK why having a mortgage wouldnt cut it.

 

[TNHarley]

How about just millionaires? Haha. What a stupid concept.

why is it you bumpkins only think rich people own property?

 

[TNHarley]

That was a problem then too. Newly arrived citizens couldnt afford land, for the most part. So they WORKED for it.

You're far too young to be talking like this.

People are still WORKING for it, ya jamoke. Not all can achieve it. So they don't deserve the same rights you have because you're RICHER than them?
Ewwww.....that smells really bad, Harley.

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

bless your heart!

You're the one using The Little Red Hen as your supporting argument.

Yea, and you bedwetters still dont get it. Pretty sad IMO

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They ARE paying taxes. They DO have “skin in the game”. Every citizen has the right to vote. Get over it. Have better ideas.

with tax payer money. Its a fucking wash out.
Get better arguments.

There's plenty of people who work their asses off and don't own land. American cities are populated with tens of millions of renters.

Your premise is stupid.

My premise is ten times smarter than you, and it doesnt even have a heart beat. Fancy that

Tell us some more about the red hen.

Thats all you got? Lol
Its sad i had to use a childrens tale to get a point across and you STILL dont get it

No, you don't get it. I just gave you an example of where your red herring....I mean red hen was a terribly flawed example.

 

[TNHarley]

Not everyone has enough money for a mortgage or the down payment, let alone the upkeep.
It doesn't mean they don't have a right to a say in their government. If it affects their lives, they have a right to vote about it, whether they are well off enough to own land or not.

Interesting tidbit: Most of the people on welfare don't vote. They know the system is set up to screw them and they don't trust any of 'em. This is true, I've worked with poor folks a long time. They don't vote.

That was a problem then too. Newly arrived citizens couldnt afford land, for the most part. So they WORKED for it.

You're far too young to be talking like this.

People are still WORKING for it, ya jamoke. Not all can achieve it. So they don't deserve the same rights you have because you're RICHER than them?
Ewwww.....that smells really bad, Harley.

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

Well.....which one of them pays the bills to make the country go 'round?

Just because we contribute to society, and its betterment, doesnt mean we are better than the irresponsible trailer trash whore that makes a living off having kids and then not paying attention to them. Asshole.

 

[OldLady]

You're far too young to be talking like this.

People are still WORKING for it, ya jamoke. Not all can achieve it. So they don't deserve the same rights you have because you're RICHER than them?
Ewwww.....that smells really bad, Harley.

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

Well.....which one of them pays the bills to make the country go 'round?

I've told this story before, so forgive me if you've heard it.

Having done a deep dive into local records doing genealogy, I discovered that lots of the little towns in frontier Maine before the Revolution were chipping in to pay room and board for an orphan or someone who was otherwise called "indigent," including doctor bills. If it was a town member, they weren't going to let them starve or freeze.
We were doing that as a society BEFORE your frickin Constitution, TNHarley . It is because we are civilized. I know our welfare system needs reform, but what we've created is going to take a lot more than kicking them out the door and telling them to get a job. That's stupid talk, right there.

indeed. Giving them free shit has worked out so well. Excellent catch.
Its also funny cause you are equating our constitution to local efforts

As a kid, I remember the days before welfare. How some people lived, how poor they were. And that was in white neighborhoods. I can't imagine what it was like in some places. I don't think you want that. People who were too stupid to earn enough to feed their pack of kids or Dad was a raving drunk or out of the picture and mom was selling herself at night and the family was living on oatmeal and hand me downs.
So

 

[Brain357]

How about just millionaires? Haha. What a stupid concept.

why is it you bumpkins only think rich people own property?

Because that's what would happen. Costs would skyrocket and look at that only the rich can vote. Maybe more votes the more you own? Sorry, it is an amazingly stupid concept.

 

[TNHarley]

Good lord. What the hell is wrong with you? Thats, what, the third strawman you have concocted in this thread?
Get off your high horse. It makes you look dumb.
That poor man with a shack and a half acre of land has more right to vote for our interests than a trailer trash welfare queen that contributes NOTHING to society except babies.
It doesnt have anything to do with being rich.
I bought my first chunk of property at twenty years old. I spent 22K on it. Saved for like 6 months to afford the down payment.
I made like 20something thousand a year at that time. Yes, i was soooooooooooooooooo rich. My two part time jobs was da shiznit!

I'm not on a high horse. You are.
You are SOOOO much better than that trailer trash welfare queen you've concocted in your head. Talk about strawmen.

Well.....which one of them pays the bills to make the country go 'round?

I've told this story before, so forgive me if you've heard it.

Having done a deep dive into local records doing genealogy, I discovered that lots of the little towns in frontier Maine before the Revolution were chipping in to pay room and board for an orphan or someone who was otherwise called "indigent," including doctor bills. If it was a town member, they weren't going to let them starve or freeze.
We were doing that as a society BEFORE your frickin Constitution, TNHarley . It is because we are civilized. I know our welfare system needs reform, but what we've created is going to take a lot more than kicking them out the door and telling them to get a job. That's stupid talk, right there.

indeed. Giving them free shit has worked out so well. Excellent catch.
Its also funny cause you are equating our constitution to local efforts

As a kid, I remember the days before welfare. How some people lived, how poor they were. And that was in white neighborhoods. I can't imagine what it was like in some places. I don't think you want that. People who were too stupid to earn enough to feed their pack of kids or Dad was a raving drunk or out of the picture and mom was selling herself at night and the family was living on oatmeal and hand me downs.
So

Sounds like today.
I wonder what the difference of population % is on welfare today compared to the 1950s or so.. I would bet it hasnt changed much. I will look into that.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I dont think we would. At least, not much of one.
Weak people vote for policies for the weak because they have no skin in the game. Doesnt that make sense?
Im not saying i want to go back to just land owners voting. Im just saying we should have kept it that way

Interesting question. But that would still cut out the vast majority of "homeowners".

About 65% of "Homeowners" don't own their home. The mortgage company actually holds title to the home and the land until the mortgage is complete. (U.S. Mortgage Market Statistics: 2017 - MagnifyMoney)


*************

Secondly, can I buy a 1 acre plot of land in the country and sub-divide it into 1 inch plots that I can sell so people become landowners? :mrgreen:



>>>>

Im not for sure of amount(it also varied) but there was a certain requirement for that to work. Pretty sure 1" plots wouldnt cut it lol.
And IDK why having a mortgage wouldnt cut it.

And IDK why having a mortgage wouldnt cut it.

Stop paying and see how quickly you're not a land owner.

How is paying a mortgage any more responsible than paying rent?

 

[TNHarley]

How about just millionaires? Haha. What a stupid concept.

why is it you bumpkins only think rich people own property?

Because that's what would happen. Costs would skyrocket and look at that only the rich can vote. Maybe more votes the more you own? Sorry, it is an amazingly stupid concept.

I clearly stated i dont want to change it. My argument was NEVER changing it in the first place.
Your entire argument is based off shit i didnt even say lol..

 

[TNHarley]

I dont think we would. At least, not much of one.
Weak people vote for policies for the weak because they have no skin in the game. Doesnt that make sense?
Im not saying i want to go back to just land owners voting. Im just saying we should have kept it that way

Interesting question. But that would still cut out the vast majority of "homeowners".

About 65% of "Homeowners" don't own their home. The mortgage company actually holds title to the home and the land until the mortgage is complete. (U.S. Mortgage Market Statistics: 2017 - MagnifyMoney)


*************

Secondly, can I buy a 1 acre plot of land in the country and sub-divide it into 1 inch plots that I can sell so people become landowners? :mrgreen:



>>>>

Im not for sure of amount(it also varied) but there was a certain requirement for that to work. Pretty sure 1" plots wouldnt cut it lol.
And IDK why having a mortgage wouldnt cut it.

And IDK why having a mortgage wouldnt cut it.

Stop paying and see how quickly you're not a land owner.

How is paying a mortgage any more responsible than paying rent?

Now the leftists are against home ownership