If repubs can never come up with specific policy examples of their party helping the...

[Dad2three]

The CBO published an estimate. So what?

Yep, saying BEFORE Obama came into office the deficit would reach $1.2+ trillion. I gave you the links, IF you were honest, you would know between $160-$210 billion of 2009 F/Y deficits could be put on Obama's shoulders, FOR DEALING WITH DUBYA'S/.GOP GREAT RECESSION!!

 

[francoHFW]

They don't know a gd thing....

 

[Dad2three]

They don't know a gd thing....

They 'know' disinformation and lies Rush, Faux, Beck, etc 'want them' to know. Nothing more. Weird how multi millionaires are 'looking out' for the little guys in GOP world

 

[Dana7360]

...middle class and poor, why do they continue to support them? Why do republicans continue to be elected?

Trickle down economics has proven to be smoke screen. Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That's it. In Obama's first 4 years, twice as many jobs were created than in all of Bush's 8. According to the CBO, Obama's stimulus alone created over 2 million jobs that still exist to this day.

CBO: Stimulus Supports 2.9 Million Jobs Today | FDL News Desk

Obama’s Numbers, October Update

Here is a non partisan thorough look at what the stimulus accomplished which is staggering. It literally saved the country from another depression.

Was the Obama Stimulus a Success or a Failure? - NPQ - Nonprofit Quarterly

Here is WHY Obama's stimulus worked:

Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits and the Economy

I just don't understand what republicans have to show for. Obama's tax cut for the middle class was the biggest since Reagan. Seriously what has any republican president since Reagan done that has benefitted the country as a whole?

It seems as though all the average joe republicans want to hear are flowery speeches about freedom and warm apple pie. They don't want to hear the truth which is that republicans have nothing to offer.

No employer is going to hire someone to just stand around all day doing nothing. No matter how many tax cuts that employer receives.

The only reason why an employer is going to hire anyone is because that company has more work to do than the existing staff can handle in a normal work week.

If an employer has to hire more people then that means that business is having more sales. If that business is having more sales that business is making more money and the last thing that business needs is a tax cut.

Economics 101. I doubt many republicans on this board actually took the class.

 

[Dana7360]

Obama and

...middle class and poor, why do they continue to support them? I just don't understand it. Why do republicans continue to be elected?

Trickle down economics has proven to be smoke screen. Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That's it. In Obama's first 4 years, twice as many jobs were created than in all of Bush's 8. According to the CBO, Obama's stimulus alone created over 2 million jobs that still exist to this day.

CBO: Stimulus Supports 2.9 Million Jobs Today | FDL News Desk

Obama’s Numbers, October Update

Here is a non partisan thorough look at what the stimulus accomplished which is staggering. It literally saved the country from another depression.

Was the Obama Stimulus a Success or a Failure? - NPQ - Nonprofit Quarterly

Here is WHY Obama's stimulus worked:

Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits and the Economy

I just don't understand what republicans have to show for. Obama's tax cut for the middle class was the biggest since Reagan. Seriously what has any republican president since Reagan done that has benefitted the country as a whole?

It seems as though all the average joe republicans want to hear are flowery speeches about freedom and warm apple pie. They don't want to hear the truth which is that republicans have nothing to offer.

Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut.

Are you saying Americans got to keep millions more of their own earnings AND jobs were created?

That's awesome!!! Let's do that some more!!!

Umm those millions saved were primarily the rich's money. Also, those cuts greatly contributed to our national debt.

No..Too much discretionary spending and an unwillingness to curb increases in non-discretionary spending caused the increases in debt and deficit.

US Debt by President

Read it. Bush's tax cuts have greatly increased the national debt.

Yes, Bush was a big spender. Obama is worse.

Obama and Bush have spent at the same rate.

Spent at the same rate? What does that even mean? Show me proof.

Actually Obama has not spent at the same rate as the bush boy.

He's spent at a lower rate than the bush boy.

The most recent numbers I have are for fiscal year 2013 which is the most recent completed year.

According to the Government Office of Management and Budget, Obama has spent less than the bush boy and has the fastest deficit decline over a sustained period since WW II.

Keep in mind that there was no budget deficit when Clinton left office. The bush boy was handed a balanced budget with billions in surplus. He blew all of that with his very first budget. Too bad he was like his father and reagan, none of them ever wrote a balanced budget while president.

In the case of the bush boy, he created a budget deficit where there was none. He took it to historic levels of 1.4 trillion by the time he was finished as president. The final deficit for 2013 wasn't in the trillions but the billions, 680 billion. It's projected to decrease for fiscal year 2014.

Deficit More Than Cut in Half Since 2009 | The White House

 

[Ernie S.]

Disagreeable little bitch, aren't you?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

...middle class and poor, why do they continue to support them? Why do republicans continue to be elected?

Trickle down economics has proven to be smoke screen. Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That's it. In Obama's first 4 years, twice as many jobs were created than in all of Bush's 8. According to the CBO, Obama's stimulus alone created over 2 million jobs that still exist to this day.

CBO: Stimulus Supports 2.9 Million Jobs Today | FDL News Desk

Obama’s Numbers, October Update

Here is a non partisan thorough look at what the stimulus accomplished which is staggering. It literally saved the country from another depression.

Was the Obama Stimulus a Success or a Failure? - NPQ - Nonprofit Quarterly

Here is WHY Obama's stimulus worked:

Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits and the Economy

I just don't understand what republicans have to show for. Obama's tax cut for the middle class was the biggest since Reagan. Seriously what has any republican president since Reagan done that has benefitted the country as a whole?

It seems as though all the average joe republicans want to hear are flowery speeches about freedom and warm apple pie. They don't want to hear the truth which is that republicans have nothing to offer.

No employer is going to hire someone to just stand around all day doing nothing. No matter how many tax cuts that employer receives.

The only reason why an employer is going to hire anyone is because that company has more work to do than the existing staff can handle in a normal work week.

If an employer has to hire more people then that means that business is having more sales. If that business is having more sales that business is making more money and the last thing that business needs is a tax cut.

Economics 101. I doubt many republicans on this board actually took the class.

Liberal cock sucking, I bet most liberals on this board took that class.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Dana's knee pads are worn out.

 

[bripat9643]

They don't know a gd thing....

They 'know' disinformation and lies Rush, Faux, Beck, etc 'want them' to know. Nothing more. Weird how multi millionaires are 'looking out' for the little guys in GOP world

You mean like George Soros? Is he looking out for the little guy?

How come only Republican rich guys are evil?

 

[Boss]

Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.

But we can keep it simple.

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.

Conservatism - Every man for himself!

Well you are completely wrong on both counts. Socialism is the attempt to chase an impossible Utopian state, whereby all things are equal and fair.

It's more like, we're all in this boat together, some of us are more capable of paddling, some of us have more resources than others, and we need to assign a mastermind to determine how all of this is equally divided between everyone in the boat, as opposed to everyone doing all they can to save us. It actually has nothing to do with the welfare of those in the boat, and everything to do with power and who controls it.

Conservatism is, we're all in this boat together and we all bring something special and important to the table as individuals, and our strength as a whole is in our potential as individuals.

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.

It really is quite laughable to hear people refer to Warren, Obama, and the Democrats in general as "far left" and/or "socialist." I think it is a point of view issue. The Republicans have been pulled so far to the extreme right by the Tea Party that, from their vantage point, just about ANYONE else seems like a leftist. How else do you explain Glenn Beck calling John McCain a "progressive?"

Well, because John McCain is a progressive. He advocates for progressive policies. The most "conservative" thing he ever did was to nominate Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate. His crowning achievement is the most socialist/progressive thing any Republican has ever done. Campaign Finance Reform is an attempt to chase the Utopian dream of equality and fairness by removing individual freedom and assigning a mastermind to determine what is and isn't "fair" to all, in the form of central government.

You can laugh about being called a socialist all you like. We label our ideologies in order to distinguish them from one another. Yours, regardless of what you wish to label them, are clearly articulated by Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto. This is the antithesis of American freedom and capitalism.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

They don't know a gd thing....

They 'know' disinformation and lies Rush, Faux, Beck, etc 'want them' to know. Nothing more. Weird how multi millionaires are 'looking out' for the little guys in GOP world

You mean like George Soros? Is he looking out for the little guy?

How come only Republican rich guys are evil?

They can't answer your question right now. There is a sale on knee pads and with all the Obama coddling going on they're in desperate need of new ones.

 

[Boss]

Presidential and government policies have little to do with job creation, unemployment or the economy. The timing of key legislation sometimes has a short-term reactionary effect, but jobs in the private sector are created by capitalists doing capitalism. There are far too many factors regarding supply and demand, return on investment, futures and speculations about markets and such, for the government to really have much to do with it. They can certainly implement policies that enhance or contribute to whatever was going to inevitably happen, but that's about it.

You don't believe me? Well, that's okay... but think about this... How many politicians do you know of in history who would not have changed bad economies and create jobs if they could? If there was some magical way for government to do this, we'd never see bad economies or unemployment, because there's always a politician running for re-election somewhere.

So this whole line of argument has developed a life of it's own, we gather all this data and manipulate it all kinds of ways to make our guy/gal seem to be the savior of a bad economy or creator of jobs. And the stupid gullible voters lap it up like puppies at a bowl of warm milk.

Got it, you believe in the mythical right wing capitalism that has NEVER worked the way right wingers posit, if it did Somalia and every other 3rd world nation would be booming with jobs and prosperity


How did the US create the worlds largest middle class AND a booming economy post WW2? Hint GOOD GOV'T POLICY STARTED UNDER PROGRESSIVE POLICIES


Aynd Rand wrote fiction

You are a Socialist. You want to implement a system of Marxist Socialism, much like what the Russians operated under for the years of the Cold War. Why don't you go ask any Russian immigrant who wasn't part of the ruling class, just how well that worked for them?

The free market capitalist free enterprise system has created more millionaires and billionaires than anything man has ever tried. Progressive policies are anathema to free markets.

Somalia and other 3rd world countries don't have a Constitutional Republic where a vibrant free market and free enterprise system exists, or can exist. We could install such systems but we have to fight Communists like you who still think centralized government planning is a better system.

All "Progressivism", in essence, is repackaged Marxism. Oh, you'll get predictably butt-hurt at that claim, but it's the truth. New Marxists pop up all over the world with a refined, retuned version of the same failed ideology, claiming it is something new and different... see, it has a different name! And the insidious thing about Marxism is how it can appeal to the masses. Once you've established the emotive antipathy for "class" the rest is easy. That's what we're seeing happen in America today with all the talk of "middle class" ...there are no "classes" in a free republic.

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.
American School of Economics

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation.

Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.

The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny

American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

Basically, everything in the Newsweek article confirms my point and refutes your own. Keep in mind, the "land ownership" issue hasn't been an issue for almost 200 years, since most of America became settled. You are harkening back to a time when land was essentially free for the taking. If you could clear off the Native Americans (usually by killing them) and fence it in, the land was yours. Obviously, the wealthy few could afford to do this better than the average Joe. However, note that their solution wasn't centralized government planning and it promoted individual liberty.

I want to specifically address your last sentence, because I think this is the core of your personal belief system about the policies you support and the perception of the policies you think I support:

... the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."

When we talk about "the government" it isn't some glorious magical goose which lays golden eggs. The government has no means of earned income whatsoever. It doesn't produce or sell anything of it's own accord. Every dime the government has is contributed in the form of taxation, tariffs, fees, etc., from the individual. The government extrapolates this money from the individuals who earn it, and then they appropriate the money to various needs.

Now there are some things that are general in nature, which the government is obliged to provide via the Constitution, like military protection. But the "progressive" movement has changed the intent of things like the commerce clause and terms like "general welfare" in order to use more and more of the resources to fund things that aren't provided for under the Constitution and never were intended to be by the Founding Fathers.

We've now come upon a generation (or two) of morons who believe that our happiness is achievable by laying our problems at the feet of the 'golden goose' and expecting it to be taken care of, so long as we beat away the evil republicans who simply wish to see people suffer.

 

[Youch]

...middle class and poor, why do they continue to support them? Why do republicans continue to be elected?

Trickle down economics has proven to be smoke screen. Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That's it. In Obama's first 4 years, twice as many jobs were created than in all of Bush's 8. According to the CBO, Obama's stimulus alone created over 2 million jobs that still exist to this day.

CBO: Stimulus Supports 2.9 Million Jobs Today | FDL News Desk

Obama’s Numbers, October Update

Here is a non partisan thorough look at what the stimulus accomplished which is staggering. It literally saved the country from another depression.

Was the Obama Stimulus a Success or a Failure? - NPQ - Nonprofit Quarterly

Here is WHY Obama's stimulus worked:

Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits and the Economy

I just don't understand what republicans have to show for. Obama's tax cut for the middle class was the biggest since Reagan. Seriously what has any republican president since Reagan done that has benefitted the country as a whole?

It seems as though all the average joe republicans want to hear are flowery speeches about freedom and warm apple pie. They don't want to hear the truth which is that republicans have nothing to offer.

Here is the difference that I think is over-looked in many debates. You ask about a party platform... (what "republicans" come up with, etc...). Both parties are infected with a disease. One just happens to be far more dangerous than the other.

The more effective question is, what of the political philosophies? If you are asking what benefit could be gained by conservative philosophy, then that is wide open and the sky is the limit.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Considering Bush lost over 1,000,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs

We'd get that many back with $217.4 billion in tax cuts, according to Billy's source.

and the UNFUNDED tax cuts cost US

Cost us? Are you the government, or a taxpayer?
Because they saved money for taxpayers.....AND created jobs.

Sure, a million new jobs at min wage for ANOTHER tax cutt for the rich. Shocking

Gov't IS US and weird how Dubya lost over a million private sector jobs with his 2.5+ trillion tax cuts WHILE he rammed up spending. Right wingers are NEVER correct on policy!

He spent way too much. Obama is worse.

The hell he is, brainwashed twit. Boosh was a total catastrophe in everything he touched. Without UE, welfare, and other assistance for victims of Booosh's WORLD DEPRESSION, there would be no deficit now.

Thank goodness Obama got in there to fix it all.
I love how he ended the Iraq war. Great job!!!
Didn't Obama get back the jobs Bush lost? End the wars?
So why can't he cut spending below Bush levels? LOL!

Weird, after 8 years of Dubya/GOP 'job creator' policy why wasn't there jobs galore and a booming economy? Oops

President Obama's economy. Breaking down all those job creation charts and monthly job numbers, what kind of trickle up 'job creation' did we find?

Full-time jobs last month plunged by 523,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. What has increased are part-time jobs. They soared by about 800,000 to more than 28 million. Just think of all those Americans working part time, no doubt glad to have the work but also contending with lower pay, diminished benefits and little job security.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/mort...-time-scandal-of-part-time-america-1405291652

From the Huffington post:

About 284,000 Americans with college degrees were working minimum wage jobs last year, according to the Wall Street Journal. That’s 70 percent more college grads working for the minimum wage than 10 years ago.

Nearly half of the college graduates in the class of 2010 (following the passage of the stimulus bill) are working in jobs that don’t require a bachelor’s degree and 38 percent have jobs that don’t even require a high school diploma, according to a January report from the Center for College Affordability and Productivity. The report called into question whether too much public money is being spent on providing students with degrees that make them overqualified for the only jobs that are available.

284 000 College Graduates Had Minimum-Wage Jobs Last Year

2014 numbers:
For young college graduates, the unemployment rate is currently 8.5 percent (compared with 5.5 percent in 2007), and the underemployment rate is 16.8 percent (compared with 9.6 percent in 2007).

For young high school graduates, the unemployment rate is 22.9 percent (compared with 15.9 percent in 2007), and the underemployment rate is 41.5 percent (compared with 26.8 percent in 2007).

The Class of 2014 The Weak Economy Is Idling Too Many Young Graduates Economic Policy Institute

Dear Class of 2014: We regret to inform you that the nation's job market continues to force college graduates to take jobs they're overqualified for, jobs outside their major, and generally delay their career to the detriment of at least a decade's worth of unearned wages. Good luck on your job search.

 

[The Rabbi]

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No employer is going to hire someone to just stand around all day doing nothing. No matter how many tax cuts that employer receives.

The only reason why an employer is going to hire anyone is because that company has more work to do than the existing staff can handle in a normal work week.

If an employer has to hire more people then that means that business is having more sales. If that business is having more sales that business is making more money and the last thing that business needs is a tax cut.

Economics 101. I doubt many republicans on this board actually took the class.

...middle class and poor, why do they continue to support them? Why do republicans continue to be elected?

Trickle down economics has proven to be smoke screen. Bush's tax cuts pitifully created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That's it. In Obama's first 4 years, twice as many jobs were created than in all of Bush's 8. According to the CBO, Obama's stimulus alone created over 2 million jobs that still exist to this day.

CBO: Stimulus Supports 2.9 Million Jobs Today | FDL News Desk

Obama’s Numbers, October Update

Here is a non partisan thorough look at what the stimulus accomplished which is staggering. It literally saved the country from another depression.

Was the Obama Stimulus a Success or a Failure? - NPQ - Nonprofit Quarterly

Here is WHY Obama's stimulus worked:

Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits and the Economy

I just don't understand what republicans have to show for. Obama's tax cut for the middle class was the biggest since Reagan. Seriously what has any republican president since Reagan done that has benefitted the country as a whole?

It seems as though all the average joe republicans want to hear are flowery speeches about freedom and warm apple pie. They don't want to hear the truth which is that republicans have nothing to offer.

No employer is going to hire someone to just stand around all day doing nothing. No matter how many tax cuts that employer receives.

The only reason why an employer is going to hire anyone is because that company has more work to do than the existing staff can handle in a normal work week.

If an employer has to hire more people then that means that business is having more sales. If that business is having more sales that business is making more money and the last thing that business needs is a tax cut.

Economics 101. I doubt many republicans on this board actually took the class.

Disagreeable little bitch, aren't you?

She sure is. Ignorant too. Like most libs she never ran a business, never even got close. That much is obvious.

 

[Stephanie]

So the almost a trillion dollars stimulus worked because it extended unemployment benefits?

So in other words the "taxpayers" paid people to laz around for an extended two years so our money was given to them so they could do some stimulating.

wow, did any of you get a thank you note or anything?

good grief we are so SCREWED as a country when this is what people find as a great thing, extending unemployment benefits and live off the backs of taxpayers

 

[Youch]

So the almost a trillion dollars stimulus worked because it extended unemployment benefits?

So in other words the "taxpayers" paid people to laz around for an extended two years so our money was given to them so they could do some stimulating.

wow, did any of you get a thank you note or anything?

good grief we are so SCREWED as a country when this is what people find as a great thing, extending unemployment benefits and live off the backs of taxpayers

Exactamundo!

 

[Stephanie]

another idiot going around red Xing everyone

what a petty person

 

[Stephanie]

Hey now, If the Huffpufferpost said it you KNOW it gots to be the truth. So lets jump for joy for that Obambam, as they say he be THE MAN.

and get this:
Dear Class of 2014: We regret to inform you that the nation's job market continues to force college graduates to take jobs they're overqualified for, jobs outside their major, and generally delay their career to the detriment of at least a decade's worth of unearned wages. Good luck on your job search.

what a whiny little note. waaaa you MIGHT have to take a job that might BENEATH you. omg omg omg

 

[Stephanie]

Ay caramba! Did you hater dupes MISS that Obama has NOT ADDED GOV'T JOBS? And that you are totally FOS as always? The gov't barely changes when the administration does....Obama has like 3 appointments in the IRS, and you believe the IRS did ANYTHING for him. YOU ARE SO BRAINWASHED and STUPID!

Are you for real or you just like lying?
How many Government jobs "masters" will it take to RUN your new healthcare?


I think I read. 16, 000 new IRS czars were hired to come take your money if you didn't sign UP for that fascist pos called, ObamScamCare