If Universal Healthcare is a Bad Idea...

[Redfish]

Universal healthcare is the only option.

welcome to the VA, you fricken moron.

How many casualties in our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror?

what?

 

[danielpalos]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

All political talk and no political action? Solve simple poverty on an at-will basis, right wingers, if you want, a market based economy.

 

[danielpalos]

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

All socialist entitlement programs should be 100% voluntary… if not it's communism.

Let's start with our War on Drugs, Comrades right wingers.

 

[Redfish]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

All political talk and no political action? Solve simple poverty on an at-will basis, right wingers, if you want, a market based economy.

how do you propose to solve poverty? What do you mean by "at-will basis"?

all you do is post talking points, what is your proposed solution?

 

[Redfish]

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

All socialist entitlement programs should be 100% voluntary… if not it's communism.

Let's start with our War on Drugs, Comrades right wingers.

so you want to legalize all drugs and sell them in convenience stores? What do you mean by "start with the war on drugs"?

 

[danielpalos]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

All political talk and no political action? Solve simple poverty on an at-will basis, right wingers, if you want, a market based economy.

how do you propose to solve poverty? What do you mean by "at-will basis"?

all you do is post talking points, what is your proposed solution?

You have lousy reading comprehension. That is all.

We have, at-will employment States. The law is employment at will. We could solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States via, Unemployment compensation.

 

[danielpalos]

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

All socialist entitlement programs should be 100% voluntary… if not it's communism.

Let's start with our War on Drugs, Comrades right wingers.

so you want to legalize all drugs and sell them in convenience stores? What do you mean by "start with the war on drugs"?

Isn't capitalism wonderful, right wingers.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

who has called for the elimination of Medicaid? You have lost your mind.

All the people who complain about the government taking their money in taxes and giving it to someone else want Medicaid eliminated because that is EXACTLY what Medicaid does.

 

[Redfish]

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

who has called for the elimination of Medicaid? You have lost your mind.

All the people who complain about the government taking their money in taxes and giving it to someone else want Medicaid eliminated because that is EXACTLY what Medicaid does.

no they don't. you are brainwashed, indoctrinated, full of shit. Medicaid was set up to provide medical care for the poor, old, and unemployed. The problem is that the dems want it to be expanded to cover those who CHOOSE not to buy insurance.

 

[Redfish]

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

All socialist entitlement programs should be 100% voluntary… if not it's communism.

Let's start with our War on Drugs, Comrades right wingers.

so you want to legalize all drugs and sell them in convenience stores? What do you mean by "start with the war on drugs"?

Isn't capitalism wonderful, right wingers.

yes it is, its the only system that has ever worked in the history of the world. It is what made the USA the greatest nation in the history of the world.

 

[Redfish]

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

All political talk and no political action? Solve simple poverty on an at-will basis, right wingers, if you want, a market based economy.

how do you propose to solve poverty? What do you mean by "at-will basis"?

all you do is post talking points, what is your proposed solution?

You have lousy reading comprehension. That is all.

We have, at-will employment States. The law is employment at will. We could solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States via, Unemployment compensation.

what are you trying to say? Do you want a guaranteed income level for every citizen? Do you want everyone to make the exact same amount of money whether they work or not? If that's what you want, why would anyone work under that system?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

who has called for the elimination of Medicaid? You have lost your mind.

All the people who complain about the government taking their money in taxes and giving it to someone else want Medicaid eliminated because that is EXACTLY what Medicaid does.

no they don't. you are brainwashed, indoctrinated, full of shit. Medicaid was set up to provide medical care for the poor, old, and unemployed. The problem is that the dems want it to be expanded to cover those who CHOOSE not to buy insurance.

So all conservatives in America support the most socialistic government program we have, aka Medicaid?

If that were true, it would simply add to my argument that conservatism always loses in the long run.

 

[Redfish]

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

All political talk and no political action? Solve simple poverty on an at-will basis, right wingers, if you want, a market based economy.

how do you propose to solve poverty? What do you mean by "at-will basis"?

all you do is post talking points, what is your proposed solution?

You have lousy reading comprehension. That is all.

We have, at-will employment States. The law is employment at will. We could solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States via, Unemployment compensation.

where would the money come from to pay all of this unemployment conpensation?

 

[NYcarbineer]

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

All political talk and no political action? Solve simple poverty on an at-will basis, right wingers, if you want, a market based economy.

how do you propose to solve poverty? What do you mean by "at-will basis"?

all you do is post talking points, what is your proposed solution?

You have lousy reading comprehension. That is all.

We have, at-will employment States. The law is employment at will. We could solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States via, Unemployment compensation.

what are you trying to say? Do you want a guaranteed income level for every citizen? Do you want everyone to make the exact same amount of money whether they work or not? If that's what you want, why would anyone work under that system?

A guaranteed basic income would not disincentivize you to work would it?

 

[Redfish]

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

who has called for the elimination of Medicaid? You have lost your mind.

All the people who complain about the government taking their money in taxes and giving it to someone else want Medicaid eliminated because that is EXACTLY what Medicaid does.

no they don't. you are brainwashed, indoctrinated, full of shit. Medicaid was set up to provide medical care for the poor, old, and unemployed. The problem is that the dems want it to be expanded to cover those who CHOOSE not to buy insurance.

So all conservatives in America support the most socialistic government program we have, aka Medicaid?

If that were true, it would simply add to my argument that conservatism always loses in the long run.

geez,, are you on drugs? what conservatives want is a system that helps those who are physically or mentally able to care for themselves. Able bodied people should be responsible for their own lives.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

All political talk and no political action? Solve simple poverty on an at-will basis, right wingers, if you want, a market based economy.

how do you propose to solve poverty? What do you mean by "at-will basis"?

all you do is post talking points, what is your proposed solution?

You have lousy reading comprehension. That is all.

We have, at-will employment States. The law is employment at will. We could solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States via, Unemployment compensation.

where would the money come from to pay all of this unemployment conpensation?

A basic income for all would replace almost all of the poverty programs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

who has called for the elimination of Medicaid? You have lost your mind.

All the people who complain about the government taking their money in taxes and giving it to someone else want Medicaid eliminated because that is EXACTLY what Medicaid does.

no they don't. you are brainwashed, indoctrinated, full of shit. Medicaid was set up to provide medical care for the poor, old, and unemployed. The problem is that the dems want it to be expanded to cover those who CHOOSE not to buy insurance.

So all conservatives in America support the most socialistic government program we have, aka Medicaid?

If that were true, it would simply add to my argument that conservatism always loses in the long run.

geez,, are you on drugs? what conservatives want is a system that helps those who are physically or mentally able to care for themselves. Able bodied people should be responsible for their own lives.

When were you elected to speak for all conservatives?

 

[Redfish]

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

All political talk and no political action? Solve simple poverty on an at-will basis, right wingers, if you want, a market based economy.

how do you propose to solve poverty? What do you mean by "at-will basis"?

all you do is post talking points, what is your proposed solution?

You have lousy reading comprehension. That is all.

We have, at-will employment States. The law is employment at will. We could solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States via, Unemployment compensation.

what are you trying to say? Do you want a guaranteed income level for every citizen? Do you want everyone to make the exact same amount of money whether they work or not? If that's what you want, why would anyone work under that system?

A guaranteed basic income would not disincentivize you to work would it?

Ok lets take that to its logical conclusion: ok? Lets say that everyone is guaranteed 50K per year whether they work or not, ok so far? Lets also say that no one is allowed to earn more than 100K and the anything over that is taken in taxes, got it?

So, if I work my ass off and make 50K, I get to keep 50K, If I sit on my ass, I get 50K from the government. Which do you think most people would choose?

 

[Redfish]

who has called for the elimination of Medicaid? You have lost your mind.

All the people who complain about the government taking their money in taxes and giving it to someone else want Medicaid eliminated because that is EXACTLY what Medicaid does.

no they don't. you are brainwashed, indoctrinated, full of shit. Medicaid was set up to provide medical care for the poor, old, and unemployed. The problem is that the dems want it to be expanded to cover those who CHOOSE not to buy insurance.

So all conservatives in America support the most socialistic government program we have, aka Medicaid?

If that were true, it would simply add to my argument that conservatism always loses in the long run.

geez,, are you on drugs? what conservatives want is a system that helps those who are physically or mentally able to care for themselves. Able bodied people should be responsible for their own lives.

When were you elected to speak for all conservatives?

I speak only for myself, were you elected to speak for all libtardians?

 

[NYcarbineer]

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

who has called for the elimination of Medicaid? You have lost your mind.

All the people who complain about the government taking their money in taxes and giving it to someone else want Medicaid eliminated because that is EXACTLY what Medicaid does.

no they don't. you are brainwashed, indoctrinated, full of shit. Medicaid was set up to provide medical care for the poor, old, and unemployed. The problem is that the dems want it to be expanded to cover those who CHOOSE not to buy insurance.

So all conservatives in America support the most socialistic government program we have, aka Medicaid?

If that were true, it would simply add to my argument that conservatism always loses in the long run.

geez,, are you on drugs? what conservatives want is a system that helps those who are physically or mentally able to care for themselves. Able bodied people should be responsible for their own lives.

Go back and read post #2 and then come back and reassert your claim that no conservatives oppose Medicaid.