If Universal Healthcare is a Bad Idea...

[Redfish]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. We also do not want some minimally competent GS7 making our healthcare decisions. We don't want a national healthcare system like the VA. The VA is a socialized, single payer system. It sucks, it allows people to die before being treated, it is a massive inefficient beaurocracy. What the UK has is very similar to our VA. Is that what you really want?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. ?

There are RW'ers in this thread who have said outright they want people to go without healthcare you fucking imbecile.

 

[dblack]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

I'll bet you think that's profound and brilliant.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

 

[dblack]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

 

[dblack]

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

I'll bet you think that's profound and brilliant.

No, it's obvious and basic. You really shouldn't need me to point it out to you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

 

[Rustic]

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

All socialist entitlement programs should be 100% voluntary… if not it's communism.

 

[dblack]

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

I didn't say it would have NO negative consequences. You tell me, do you really think people will just wallow in their own shit and die of starvation without government providing them with their needs?

 

[danielpalos]

My main concern is the power you'd be giving government if you allowed them to control your healthcare.

Oh, I understand that totally.

You really, really don't. What you fall to see is the radical difference between state power and economic power. You won't understand what we're worried about until you comprehend that difference, and understand what we give up when we make ourselves dependent on the state for our necessities.

Means nothing but, inequality, if you don't solve for simple poverty to make sure markets work at full efficiency.

 

[danielpalos]

Having the "dead and dying on the streets" is worse.

Where do we have that happening? Please be specific.

It doesn't happen now due to the socialism of emergency health care.

It would happen, if we were a Third World economy.

 

[danielpalos]

Private sector control guarantees inequality on a for-profit basis.

On what basis should health care be rationed?

On need. Otherwise, we merely need solve simple poverty to ensure markets work more efficiently.

 

[danielpalos]

Providing healthcare promotes the general welfare.

Isn't food more important? Wouldn't providing food promote the general welfare? You know, like in Russia, China, and North Korea?

Don't we all need housing? Wouldn't providing housing promote the general welfare? You know, like in Russia, China and North?

We can't really exist without water, electricity, sanitary facilities. Why should we all have to pay for those things when they're more important than health care? Or is that your goal? One nudge at a time?

We already have food stamp programs. Have any other irrelevant points you want to make?

 

[danielpalos]

It has to do with the, "government sponsored socialism of equality". The private sector has no profit motive to ensure, equality.

It is impossible to have equality. Who rations health care?

lol. it should be based on need, not income.

 

[Redfish]

You are part of the problem. U in it for the money. The rest of the world has is better, we should learn from the best.
Healthcare staff are overpaid, treatments are overly priced.
Greed and selfishness is what's wrong with this country.

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

no one on the right wants anyone to go without medical care. ?

There are RW'ers in this thread who have said outright they want people to go without healthcare you fucking imbecile.

then they are assholes and you are a fucking imbecile. But you are lying again, I have not read one post where anyone said that they want people to go without medical care. Note: going without insurance is NOT going without medical care.

 

[danielpalos]

Well, that's just retarded logic.

Really? You see, I have the right to own a gun, I do NOT have the right to have government supply it for Me.
I have the right to purchase health care, I do not have the right to have government supply it for Me.

The government cannot force Me to buy a gun even though I have a right to buy it.
The government cannot force Me to buy health care even though I have a right to buy it.

Understand?

Yes, really.

I have the right to 'bear arms' ,yet I still need to buy one first.

I have the right to healthcare, yet I still need to buy into a private plan or pay taxes toward it.

Not a single person except you rw dimwits has said anything about ' free' healthcare.
Single payer is paid for with a dedicated tax that everyone must pay. Not unlike Medicare.

You do not have a constitutional right to free medical care, or medical care funded by taxes. You have a right to own a gun because of the second amendment.

If you think medical care is a constitutional right, quote the language from the constitution that makes it so.

You do not have a constitutional right to free medical care,

No one has said healthcare should be free, dumbass.

really, well if you pay no income taxes and healthcare is funded from income taxes, and you get government provided healthcare at no cost---------------are you getting it free?

dear, Mr. Trump and the poor Only pay the taxes we are legally obligated to pay.

 

[Redfish]

Talk about saying stupid shit. Do you know how much those liberals colleges cost to learn how to perform jobs in the healthcare industry? It takes eight years to be a doctor, six years to be a pharmacist, four years to be a registered nurse. Do you think those people should invest years of their lives and hundreds of thousands of dollars to make 40K a year?

So again, your view is that healthcare should only be available to those who can pay the going rate for it.

And the rest should go without.

Money isn't the only way to convince someone to provide you with something you need.

Thank you so much for giving me an excuse to post this:

Heh.. funny. But you're missing my point. You're pushing the "people dying in the street" horseshit, as the only alternative to socialized health care. And that's just hysterical nonsense.

OK, you tell us.

We eliminate Medicaid and all the other healthcare programs designed to help low income people afford healthcare -

with that done, you explain how that has NO negative consequences on access to healthcare in America.

who has called for the elimination of Medicaid? You have lost your mind.

 

[danielpalos]

Universal healthcare is the only option.

welcome to the VA, you fricken moron.

How many casualties in our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror?

 

[Redfish]

Really? You see, I have the right to own a gun, I do NOT have the right to have government supply it for Me.
I have the right to purchase health care, I do not have the right to have government supply it for Me.

The government cannot force Me to buy a gun even though I have a right to buy it.
The government cannot force Me to buy health care even though I have a right to buy it.

Understand?

Yes, really.

I have the right to 'bear arms' ,yet I still need to buy one first.

I have the right to healthcare, yet I still need to buy into a private plan or pay taxes toward it.

Not a single person except you rw dimwits has said anything about ' free' healthcare.
Single payer is paid for with a dedicated tax that everyone must pay. Not unlike Medicare.

You do not have a constitutional right to free medical care, or medical care funded by taxes. You have a right to own a gun because of the second amendment.

If you think medical care is a constitutional right, quote the language from the constitution that makes it so.

You do not have a constitutional right to free medical care,

No one has said healthcare should be free, dumbass.

really, well if you pay no income taxes and healthcare is funded from income taxes, and you get government provided healthcare at no cost---------------are you getting it free?

dear, Mr. Trump and the poor Only pay the taxes we are legally obligated to pay.

yes, of course. What's your point? The other poster said that socialized medicine is not free. It is free if it is funded by taxes and you pay no taxes.