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PoliticalChic

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Everything is political. For the astute, that is the lesson of the last the last century. No matter the arena, the issue, the opinion...it all comes down to political.
Thomas Mann is quoted thus: "Everything is politics." And he was a social critic...but, aren't we all.

As is Professor Scott Galloway of NYU's Stern School of Business.
He is responsible for the following verbal vivisection of an NYU student.......


1. "Professor Scott Galloway — founder of redenvelope.com — has a reputation for being a self-important "jackass" and appears to have adopted the phrase "get your shit together" as his personal carpe diem. He was also on the New York Times board of directors before resigning last week.

2. He teaches a Brand Management class at the school. Anyway, the student below sent him an e-mail to which Prof. Galloway responded. Galloway then proceeded to send it to his TA and instructed him to XXXX out the student's name and then forward it to the rest of the class. The e-mail now appears to be making the rounds:





3. 'Prof. Galloway,....I would like to discuss a matter with you that bothered me. Yesterday evening I entered your 6pm Brand Strategy class approximately 1 hour late. As I entered the room, you quickly dismissed me, saying that I would need to leave and come back to the next class. After speaking with several students who are taking your class, they explained that you have a policy stating that students who arrive more than 15 minutes late will not be admitted to class.

4. As of yesterday evening, I was interested in three different Monday night classes that all occurred simultaneously. In order to decide which class to select, my plan for the evening was to sample all three and see which one I like most. Since I had never taken your class, I was unaware of your class policy. I was disappointed that you dismissed me from class considering (1) there is no way I could have been aware of your policy and (2) considering that it was the first day of evening classes and I arrived 1 hour late (not a few minutes), it was more probable that my tardiness was due to my desire to sample different classes rather than sheer complacency.
I have already registered for another class but I just wanted to be open and provide my opinion on the matter.'
Regards,
xxxxMBA 2010 Candidate
NYU Stern School of Business
xxxx.nyu.edu




5. From: scott@stern.nyu.edu
To: "xxxx"
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 9:34:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Brand Strategy Feedback
'xxxx: Thanks for the feedback. I, too, would like to offer some feedback.

6. Just so I've got this straight...you started in one class, left 15-20 minutes into it (stood up, walked out mid-lecture), went to another class (walked in 20 minutes late), left that class (again, presumably, in the middle of the lecture), and then came to my class. At that point (walking in an hour late) I asked you to come to the next class which "bothered" you.
Correct?


7. You state that, having not taken my class, it would be impossible to know our policy of not allowing people to walk in an hour late. Most risk analysis offers that in the face of substantial uncertainty, you opt for the more conservative path or hedge your bet (e.g., do not show up an hour late until you know the professor has an explicit policy for tolerating disrespectful behavior, check with the TA before class, etc.). I hope the lottery winner that is your recently crowned Monday evening Professor is teaching Judgement and Decision Making or Critical Thinking.


8. In addition, your logic effectively means you cannot be held accountable for any code of conduct before taking a class. For the record, we also have no stated policy against bursting into show tunes in the middle of class, urinating on desks or taking that revolutionary hair removal system for a spin. However, xxxx, there is a baseline level of decorum (i.e., manners) that we expect of grown men and women who the admissions department have deemed tomorrow's business leaders.

9. xxxx, let me be more serious for a moment. I do not know you, will not know you and have no real affinity or animosity for you. You are an anonymous student who is now regretting the send button on his laptop. It's with this context I hope you register pause...REAL pause xxxx and take to heart what I am about to tell you:
xxxx, get your shit together.


10. Getting a good job, working long hours, keeping your skills relevant, navigating the politics of an organization, finding a live/work balance...these are all really hard, xxxx. In contrast, respecting institutions, having manners, demonstrating a level of humility...these are all (relatively) easy. Get the easy stuff right xxxx. In and of themselves they will not make you successful. However, not possessing them will hold you back and you will not achieve your potential which, by virtue of you being admitted to Stern, you must have in spades. It's not too late xxxx...
Again, thanks for the feedback.'
Professor Galloway
NYU Business School Professor Has Mastered The Art Of Email Flaming





Wow.
Just wow.

If one doesn't see this slice of life as political, consider that the dominant political philosophy is on which demands that all be non-judgmental, that we play nice and act with 'ecumenical niceness,' no matter the behavior. Each and every lifestyle and choice is supposed to be accepted as equally good.

And bad, or, more often, 'evil,' is upholding of standards, demand for personal responsibility, and, as Galloway wrote," Most risk analysis offers that in the face of substantial uncertainty, you opt for the more conservative path..."


Shouldn't this be true of each member of society: " there is a baseline level of decorum... that we expect of grown men and women...." and that includes individual responsibility, hard work, thrift, providence, honesty, and deferred gratification.....conservative values?
 
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You can twist that into a political ideology if you like, but all I see is a professor offering sound advice to a young man who hasn't yet got his "shit together" and expects the whole world to make way for him.
 
your one weird chich PC.


you claim to be a christain yet scream about how peopel are NOT GOOD and that the poor need to be punished just like Jesus used to preach about.


Then you try to twist something as stupid as this into a poltical point?


you are really out there
 

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So, is there supposed to be a problem with this exchange? Two persons in a highly intellectual academic atmosphere exchange their views with force. Most, I think, find the Professor more convincing.

That's 'conservative'?

OK, 'Chic, we luv ya so it must be true.
 
The OP says "having manners, demonstrating a level of humility" are easy?

PC's OP?

When's the last time you saw a PC thread in which she was mannerly and humble? lol
 
The OP says "having manners, demonstrating a level of humility" are easy?

PC's OP?

When's the last time you saw a PC thread in which she was mannerly and humble? lol

Humble? 'Chic and humble don't go together, unless we're talking about how she humbles her adversaries.
 
You can twist that into a political ideology if you like, but all I see is a professor offering sound advice to a young man who hasn't yet got his "shit together" and expects the whole world to make way for him.

I've seen your posts.....and you're not stupid.

Since the connecting of the dots as I've laid 'em out, is not beyond you, there must be another reason why you claim....pretend....not to see the political subtext.

The most obvious explanation is that, in admitting that the message has credence, you would risk your Liberal credentials.




Yup...you would.
None are less forgiving than Liberals when one leaves the reservation.

As Mark Steyn has noted:
"The forces of "tolerance" and "diversity" are ever more intolerant of anything less than total ideological homogeneity."


But here's my advice: man up....

Confess, and leave the 'dark side' forever!



We have snacks.
 
You can twist that into a political ideology if you like, but all I see is a professor offering sound advice to a young man who hasn't yet got his "shit together" and expects the whole world to make way for him.

I've seen your posts.....and you're not stupid.

Since the connecting of the dots as I've laid 'em out, is not beyond you, there must be another reason why you claim....pretend....not to see the political subtext.

The most obvious explanation is that, in admitting that the message has credence, you would risk your Liberal credentials.




Yup...you would.
None are less forgiving than Liberals when one leaves the reservation.

As Mark Steyn has noted:
"The forces of "tolerance" and "diversity" are ever more intolerant of anything less than total ideological homogeneity."


But here's my advice: man up....

Confess, and leave the 'dark side' forever!



We have snacks.


No, I really don't think there's a political connection to this story and to try to manufacture one to prove an ideological point requires the worst kind of group thinking and bigotry. All you're trying to do is enclose an entire group of people into a box you've created for them.
 
What did the professors debate?

It must be pretty lame as no one has quoted it is my point.
 
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your one weird chich PC.


you claim to be a christain yet scream about how peopel are NOT GOOD and that the poor need to be punished just like Jesus used to preach about.


Then you try to twist something as stupid as this into a poltical point?


you are really out there


1. "you claim to be a christain yet scream about how peopel are NOT GOOD and that the poor need to be punished just like Jesus used to preach about."

Actually, there isn't a mote of truth in that entire sentence.

It, in fact, impels me to compose an OP to respond to same....
...and I will quote you, OK?

So....let me know if you would rather I not use your name with the quote.
If you don't mind, you need not respond...and in the next day or so, I'll post it.



2. "Then you try to twist something as stupid as this into a poltical point?"

Friendly advice: rather than bloviate and rely on your sterling reputation to prove your point, it's probably wiser to explain why you believe it to be stupid.

You might give your definition of political and compare it to the OP...

Just tryin' to be helpful....
 
If You Can Stand The Sight of Blood....

...that's what she said! lolol



The reference was to this:

"...the following verbal vivisection..."



It appears you aren't cognizant of the term 'vivisection.'

Well, how about we simply add it to the nearly infinite list of your lacunae.



Still laughing?
Time better spent wiping the egg off your face.
 
So, is there supposed to be a problem with this exchange? Two persons in a highly intellectual academic atmosphere exchange their views with force. Most, I think, find the Professor more convincing.

That's 'conservative'?

OK, 'Chic, we luv ya so it must be true.

1. Let's explore that, shall we?

One individual, evincing the Liberal perspective, is explaining that any behavior should be acceptable.

The other, championing the traditional, or conservative perspective, criticizes same, and explains that one should adhere to protocols that respect other people.


2. I made reference to a point from Charles Murray's book, "Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010."

Let me add to that:
One change in societal attitude has been the “ecumenical niceness”…don’t fight, share toys, take turns….and never, ever be judgmental. As a result, the upper cultural class, which has stabilized by returning to more traditional ways, survives, yet these individuals will not criticize the behaviors which are destroying the lower cultural class.

a. “For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/for-women-under-30-most-births-occur-outside-marriage.html

b. “One group still largely resists the trend: college graduates, who overwhelmingly marry before having children. That is turning family structure into a new class divide, …” Ibid.

c. The elites must preach what they practice.
He is stating that folks should behave as Galloway did, when others behave as the student did.




3. Murray's point is profound. Ignoring same will lead to the destruction of society. The student in the OP is heading toward his own destruction.
Charles Murray champions the conservative perspective, as does Galloway.

I suspect you know that.
Look in the mirror and explore why you would deny same.




4. On the other hand, you might try to argue that the Liberal view is based on individual responsibility, hard work, thrift, providence, honesty, and deferred gratification.

Please, don't let me stop you.
 

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