If you didn't support Trump in 2016 do you regret it and will you support him in 2020

[SAYIT]

^^^ you cray cray. you don 't realize that pootey poot wants the USSR back, do you..... why do you think he is going for ukraine? why do you think he wants us outa NATO? why do you think he wants us isolated? but i see the problem with you - you don't think.

You are aware that you must be at least 18 to post in these adult forums, right?

He has zero chance at achieving it. He also wants to be 6’5 and 30 years old again.

hopefully NATO will survive.

There may always be a pan-Europe defense alliance - the EU is planning military coordination - if only because the common threats (within & without) far outweigh their diffs.

The decimation wrought by WW2 is behind them and they need to take a clear-eyed look at their defense needs and see to them with far less US participation. The POTUS should not have to tell them to man-up.

They are full-grown and capable of wiping their own butts. Since the fall of the USSR, US dominance has just been a financial boon for them.

I see the prob with you … you just don't think.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So who is selfish that you have in mind?

Trumps entire policy is selfish. America first right?

Who was less selfish than Trump?

Trump was a man of the world. He had his own jet that he traveled on. He attended all the big parties with important people. He was a household name, and loved by many. Businessman and entertainer. He's been with the most beautiful women of the world.

Then he decided to run for President. The ball came crashing down. People who loved him now hate him. Going to the White House was a step down in his lifestyle, not a step up. His first order of business was to donate every paycheck as President. He's lost over a billion dollars of worth to do the job. From the time he entered the White House, his carefree life ended, with SS agents following him around for the remainder of is time on this planet.

So why did he do it? His love of country, that's why.

donny, along with papa drumpf were sued & lost for housing discrimination.

donny, ran around NYC with his whore - making sure that rag mag splashed it all over their front pages while he was still married & his spawn saw it.

donny bragged about going into young girl's dressing rooms in various stages of undress to 'inspect them' when he owned the pageant.

donny was sued for fraud for ripping people off in his trump university scam.

donny tried to force an old woman outa her home so he can bulldoze it, pave over for a personal business improvement by using the court with an eminent domain case.

donny has a history of allegations against him regarding several instances of sexual assault.

donny has bragged about grabbing pussy, because 'they let him'.

but ray ray is blind to all that because:

"The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion." ~ donny

You are the reason tabloids exist. I don't have time to address your entire list. I know that's a method you leftists use so people don't argue your points. But I take exception with your top lie. Trump was sued, but settled out of court. Part of the agreement is that the Trump's admit to no guilt, and it was accepted. They didn't lose anything.

P-time evidently lives in a pristine bubble and has never built or owned anything in his "life." I can tell you with 100% certainty that business is messy, big biz is big messy, and no capitalist wins every battle. Sometimes we fuck-up - often for reasons beyond our control - and we pick ourselves up, clean up our messes, and dig in again.

I'm not sure if I have this correct, but I believe Playwithyourself is a female.

In any case, of course they never had a business. Oh, every liberal here claims they do, are independently wealthy or retired, or work from home. Me, I'm the only truck driver here.

Not only have they never owned a business, but never invested a dime of their own money outside of a house purchase, or perhaps an IRA at most. People who have a business or made investments in the past don't preach they need government to take more of their money. They think unless you work with a shovel or behind a drill press, you don't really work because you made your money with your money, and that's the easiest thing to do.

 

[playtime]

No, I heard him say good people on both sides. Well the good people of the KKK and assorted white supremacists that weren't wanted in Richmand were responsible for inciting a deadly confontation and I don't remember seeing and KKKers going to the morgue. Trump should have said something forcefully condemning at the time, I think because he thought Obama had gone to far supporting blacks when things went south. Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right, and you know it.

The guy who killed that woman was not from the KKK. He wasn't even from the state. He was a nut bag just like the nut bag that went to the baseball stadium to kill all those Republican representatives.

Trump had a different approach than DumBama. He wanted to settle things down, not rile them up again. He didn't want to blame everybody for something because of the actions of a few. I know that may not be logical in your world, but regardless what you think of people on either side, they are still all Americans, and they have issues they stood for.

Yeah trumps really bringing us together. ha

Those rallies are the result of eight years of Obama and his divisive rhetoric and actions.

Those rallies are the result of planners of those organizations desiring to rise back to the surface and push their plan for America. have you read about those outsiders headed to Richmand from as far away as Canada, planning to start trouble at the demonstration on the court square. Now the gun activist are upset they can't have 50,000 armed demonstrator on the square. Many of the same people, as I understand it and prone to the same destructive methods.

Those rallies helped win him the presidency

/sarcasm.

 

[tigerred59]

Not only won't I vote for Trump, I'm hoping the guy is impeached and sent to prison afterwards.

 

[playtime]

^^^ you cray cray. you don 't realize that pootey poot wants the USSR back, do you..... why do you think he is going for ukraine? why do you think he wants us outa NATO? why do you think he wants us isolated? but i see the problem with you - you don't think.

You are aware that you must be at least 18 to post in these adult forums, right?

He has zero chance at achieving it. He also wants to be 6’5 and 30 years old again.

hopefully NATO will survive.

There may always be a pan-Europe defense alliance - the EU is planning military coordination - if only because the common threats (within & without) far outweigh their diffs.

The decimation wrought by WW2 is behind them and they need to take a clear-eyed look at their defense needs and see to them with far less US participation. The POTUS should not have to tell them to man-up.

They are full-grown and capable of wiping their own butts. Since the fall of the USSR, US dominance has just been a financial boon for them.

I see the prob with you … you just don't think.

View attachment 301457

donny is THE president. he's not MY president because he believes anybody that
criticizes him is the enemy. he's such a snowflake.

 

[SAYIT]

Trumps entire policy is selfish. America first right?

Who was less selfish than Trump?

Trump was a man of the world. He had his own jet that he traveled on. He attended all the big parties with important people. He was a household name, and loved by many. Businessman and entertainer. He's been with the most beautiful women of the world.

Then he decided to run for President. The ball came crashing down. People who loved him now hate him. Going to the White House was a step down in his lifestyle, not a step up. His first order of business was to donate every paycheck as President. He's lost over a billion dollars of worth to do the job. From the time he entered the White House, his carefree life ended, with SS agents following him around for the remainder of is time on this planet.

So why did he do it? His love of country, that's why.

donny, along with papa drumpf were sued & lost for housing discrimination.

donny, ran around NYC with his whore - making sure that rag mag splashed it all over their front pages while he was still married & his spawn saw it.

donny bragged about going into young girl's dressing rooms in various stages of undress to 'inspect them' when he owned the pageant.

donny was sued for fraud for ripping people off in his trump university scam.

donny tried to force an old woman outa her home so he can bulldoze it, pave over for a personal business improvement by using the court with an eminent domain case.

donny has a history of allegations against him regarding several instances of sexual assault.

donny has bragged about grabbing pussy, because 'they let him'.

but ray ray is blind to all that because:

"The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion." ~ donny

You are the reason tabloids exist. I don't have time to address your entire list. I know that's a method you leftists use so people don't argue your points. But I take exception with your top lie. Trump was sued, but settled out of court. Part of the agreement is that the Trump's admit to no guilt, and it was accepted. They didn't lose anything.

P-time evidently lives in a pristine bubble and has never built or owned anything in his "life." I can tell you with 100% certainty that business is messy, big biz is big messy, and no capitalist wins every battle. Sometimes we fuck-up - often for reasons beyond our control - and we pick ourselves up, clean up our messes, and dig in again.

I'm not sure if I have this correct, but I believe Playwithyourself is a female.

In any case, of course they never had a business. Oh, every liberal here claims they do, are independently wealthy or retired, or work from home. Me, I'm the only truck driver here.

Not only have they never owned a business, but never invested a dime of their own money outside of a house purchase, or perhaps an IRA at most. People who have a business or made investments in the past don't preach they need government to take more of their money. They think unless you work with a shovel or behind a drill press, you don't really work because you made your money with your money, and that's the easiest thing to do.

It's Bernie's story:

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

^^^ you cray cray. you don 't realize that pootey poot wants the USSR back, do you..... why do you think he is going for ukraine? why do you think he wants us outa NATO? why do you think he wants us isolated? but i see the problem with you - you don't think.

You are aware that you must be at least 18 to post in these adult forums, right?

He has zero chance at achieving it. He also wants to be 6’5 and 30 years old again.

hopefully NATO will survive.

There may always be a pan-Europe defense alliance - the EU is planning military coordination - if only because the common threats (within & without) far outweigh their diffs.

The decimation wrought by WW2 is behind them and they need to take a clear-eyed look at their defense needs and see to them with far less US participation. The POTUS should not have to tell them to man-up.

They are full-grown and capable of wiping their own butts. Since the fall of the USSR, US dominance has just been a financial boon for them.

I see the prob with you … you just don't think.

View attachment 301457

donny is THE president. he's not MY president because he believes anybody that
criticizes him is the enemy. he's such a snowflake.

Who would you vote for in 2020? Do share? Warren? Sanders? LOL

 

[White 6]

Damn. That's a hard one. I am not sure. Society is changing, no doubt. No. He is not the cause. He is the product of the effect. I do not think he has dealt with it in the best interest of the nation as an entity, definitely not as a civil society. Remember that movie where Michael J Fox gave that speech to the President saying something like "people thirst for good leadership, like a dying man crawling across the desert and not finding it only the mirage, they'll drink the sand"? That is what happened. We thirst for leadership every 4 years. 2016 there was no leaders that showed up, so we drank the sand.

I meant *or. Stupid typo. I agree. Trump is the effect. Many whom I know did it as a FU to the PC culture Leftists I doubt they are alone who thought that way

Do you have a theory of what happened to the Republican party. I started voting mostly republican starting with Richard Nixon and voting Lamar Alexander for Governor back in 72. I do not recognize that party anymore. It is a party of today, appearing almost totally without honor, moving as a rubber stamp. Do they really support his leadership or is it just agenda goals and power?

I support the agenda he ran on, and am glad he is actually doing what he said he would. He may be crass, but I think it is good leadership to implement what you ran on while under constant attack. What did the republicans believe in 72 that they no longer do? I'm for less regulation, less taxes, no pointless wars, not increasing the welfare state, and sensible immigration. I'm also pro 2nd amendment, and support Christianity. I'm also big on free speech and not being a trade door mat for every country on earth. I'll add pro law enforcement and rule of law and treating everyone equally instead of pitting groups of people against each other for pointless reasons. That is just off the top of my head.

Well said, but in 72 they took a reasoned approach, did not label the opposition as the enemy of the Republican party, we're the party that started the EPA not the one appointing someone from the coal or gas industry and weakening clean water standards, the Republicans worked across the aisle to get thing done, clean up through the Clinton years. Republicans have not been against pointless wars for 2 decades. Christianity is not the purview of the Republican party. If someone disagreed with Republic point of view, rhetoric or talking point the generally were not labeled fascist, nazi, anti-american, etc. We had, as we do now, the largest economy on earth, following trade policy instituted by republican and democrat parties alike, and our GDP consistently expanded with those trade policies. Trump has been a leader at pitting people against each other, rich/poor, democrat/republican and yes, black/white. Republicans supported NATO and did not Trust Russia, much less take cues from it's leader. Republicans also used to be better at reigning in their own when they went to excess, not act as a rubber stamp. Now elected republicans do not speak to Democrats, or work together to solve problems. Republicans did not come into office and tear down what was put together by republican and democratic parties past, just to break something and put their stamp on it's replacement or replace it with nothing. The also did not raid the military budget after it was agreed by both houses and signed by the President to pay for their pet project, that they promised would be paid for by a foreign government. One party strong man unrestrained rule is a bad idea.

I appreciate your point of view, but with the media and democrats pulling garbage like Russian Collusion and Kavanaugh, and running people like Sanders and AOC, what else would you call them but an enemy? I never thought I'd see the left cheer for the establishment and limit free speech. Wanting Europe to contribute to its own defense also seemed reasonable. The European Leaders were using us as a cash register. I agree with you and Mac that their should be common ground things both parties should be able to agree with, but for most of my lifetime weak republicans have caved without a fight to democrats. Also, from my perspective, Trump could care less if you are a woman or a minority, he is working for everyone. I saw an interview where he talked about being the common sense party. Real solutions to real problems. I'm good with that.

They used to be a common sense part, but certainly not under Big Don. You are correct on Kavanaugh. Russian collusion is and always was a republican hoax, often advanced by Donald Trump, who quite rightly said "So What?" There is no federal law against collustion. So collusion is exactly what he wanted out front. The question was whether he or his campaign were in contact and conspired, seeking to coordinated the release of information, the campaign knew was stolen by Russia, (within hours after he called for Russia to look for Hillary's emails) and coordinated the use and release of stolen property, indirectly from Russian intelligence. I have a marked up Pdf, (downloaded directly from Justice Department) mis- characterized by Barr for over two weeks in order to get out ahead of the story. It is indeed pretty shady, but a very long read.
You can tell what Trump thinks of minorities by how many he has cabinet positions and other appointments. Apparently there were few who could qualify for this high standards we have seen him employee to make his selections. I agree Trump could care less about women in general unless they are good looking and are impressed by his money and fame. I understand if you are rich and famous, you can grab them by the private parts and they don't mind a bit. If he gets a stirring, morals go out the window, along with cares about his wives and kids, but this is OK with modern Republicans.
He is not the type of President they taught you about in civic class or held up as an example and quoted in history class, and this is fine with modern Republicans. He is more like the kind of guy you discussed case-law about in college classes. Republicans used to remind me of the US Senate, kind of a bulwark against flighty populous movements. They worked with the Democrats, but from a different point of view. They certainly never forsook their own core values to embrace a life-long Democrat populist as their party leader and standard bearer.
You asked my opinion, so there you have it.

 

[playtime]

There is no option for “I voted for someone else last time and I will vote for some else this time”.

That is my choice.

Bernie Sanders appreciates your support.

putin appreciated yours.

OY Vey Didn't Bernie Sanders enjoy a honeymoon in the USSR? Your guy...bernie sanders.

oh so now bernie is my guy? keep breathing in that methane!!!!

donny loves russia. wants to build a tower there - he's been bending over & grabbing his ankles for the roooskies for years.

I don’t care what he builds in Russia. But a honeymoon with the communists...from your Bernie Sanders. Oy vey. How much obvious can you be?

wipe the cheeto dust off yer lips.

 

[SAYIT]

/sarcasm.

Unfiltered voices from the anti-Trump Kidz:

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bernie Sanders appreciates your support.

putin appreciated yours.

OY Vey Didn't Bernie Sanders enjoy a honeymoon in the USSR? Your guy...bernie sanders.

oh so now bernie is my guy? keep breathing in that methane!!!!

donny loves russia. wants to build a tower there - he's been bending over & grabbing his ankles for the roooskies for years.

I don’t care what he builds in Russia. But a honeymoon with the communists...from your Bernie Sanders. Oy vey. How much obvious can you be?

wipe the cheeto dust off yer lips.

Have another. AA is calling

 

[playtime]

^^^ you cray cray. you don 't realize that pootey poot wants the USSR back, do you..... why do you think he is going for ukraine? why do you think he wants us outa NATO? why do you think he wants us isolated? but i see the problem with you - you don't think.

You are aware that you must be at least 18 to post in these adult forums, right?

hopefully NATO will survive.

There may always be a pan-Europe defense alliance - the EU is planning military coordination - if only because the common threats (within & without) far outweigh their diffs.

The decimation wrought by WW2 is behind them and they need to take a clear-eyed look at their defense needs and see to them with far less US participation. The POTUS should not have to tell them to man-up.

They are full-grown and capable of wiping their own butts. Since the fall of the USSR, US dominance has just been a financial boon for them.

I see the prob with you … you just don't think.

View attachment 301457

donny is THE president. he's not MY president because he believes anybody that
criticizes him is the enemy. he's such a snowflake.

Who would you vote for in 2020? Do share? Warren? Sanders? LOL

the field is way too broad & i have more debates to watch. bernie is not really on my radar, nor is biden.

 

[playtime]

/sarcasm.

Unfiltered voices from the anti-Trump Kidz:

uh-huh. is that supposta impress me? hell, that could be from anywhere outside the US for all you know. never condone burning the flag, but you go boy with that there straw man.

 

[playtime]

putin appreciated yours.

OY Vey Didn't Bernie Sanders enjoy a honeymoon in the USSR? Your guy...bernie sanders.

oh so now bernie is my guy? keep breathing in that methane!!!!

donny loves russia. wants to build a tower there - he's been bending over & grabbing his ankles for the roooskies for years.

I don’t care what he builds in Russia. But a honeymoon with the communists...from your Bernie Sanders. Oy vey. How much obvious can you be?

wipe the cheeto dust off yer lips.

Have another. AA is calling

<yawn>

 

[DBA]

You are aware that you must be at least 18 to post in these adult forums, right?There may always be a pan-Europe defense alliance - the EU is planning military coordination - if only because the common threats (within & without) far outweigh their diffs.

The decimation wrought by WW2 is behind them and they need to take a clear-eyed look at their defense needs and see to them with far less US participation. The POTUS should not have to tell them to man-up.

They are full-grown and capable of wiping their own butts. Since the fall of the USSR, US dominance has just been a financial boon for them.

I see the prob with you … you just don't think.

View attachment 301457

donny is THE president. he's not MY president because he believes anybody that
criticizes him is the enemy. he's such a snowflake.

Who would you vote for in 2020? Do share? Warren? Sanders? LOL

the field is way too broad & i have more debates to watch. bernie is not really on my radar, nor is biden.

One of those two is likely to win the nomination. Will you then vote for them over Trump? I have no idea how anyone other than a free-loader could vote for Sanders.

 

[playtime]

^^^ triggered. & don't ferget who followed who here to this thread troll boy.

Incoherent post #50. Have another.

what was your first post to this thread? about the topic?

nope

who was it to? the OP?

nyet

you are nothing but a troll who regurgitates his own repetitive childishness. you aren't capable of anything more & i laugh @ y-o-u.

Yet I answer your questions and you cannot answer mine. Sad. Have another.

what questions? about witness'? i said i had no worries - bring 'em on. however, guliani is donny's personal lawyer - & is not supposta do what he's doing. bill barr is/was the only one from the DOJ that 'investigated. not the underlings that should have been. you do know billy boy isn't working for the nation, he is working solely for trump.

i didn't give you 'questions' - i gave you links solid credible links when you either thought i was makig shit up, or couldn't refudiate them.

If you keep piling on incoherent posts I ll just keep giving you smileys like I would to a 4 year old.

i told you funding for ukraine was just fine & dandy in the previous years with donny until biden entered the race. you denied that & said i was making it up ( i'm paraphrasing) i gave you a direct link from the senate saying so.

you ignored it cause you couldn't debate fact. moving the goalposts by asking me questions about the investigation is not what a good debater does. but that is what you do by deflection.

 

[White 6]

Do you have a theory of what happened to the Republican party. I started voting mostly republican starting with Richard Nixon and voting Lamar Alexander for Governor back in 72. I do not recognize that party anymore. It is a party of today, appearing almost totally without honor, moving as a rubber stamp. Do they really support his leadership or is it just agenda goals and power?

Without honor? How are they any LESS honorable than the democratic party? How about name a democrat that is "honorable."

I will admit, I am less than impressed with the honor involved in tactics applied to Kavanaugh. Maybe failure to even allow a hearing for Obama's supreme court nominee for 10 months prior to the election is when both sides decided the gloves came off.

They came off when the Democrats destroyed Palin. They doubled down when they squashed Romney. Biden said Romney would put black people back in chains. Romney never fought back. Neither did McCain. Trump did and the soft Leftists were outraged.

Palin is what sunk McCain. Never having finished a term at anything I can think of, she was not ready for prime time, kind of like a Republican AOC lite, cute but useless. Romney let himself be recorded at an in opportune moment and the Democrats hammered it home. Romney tried, but failed. McCain should have never picked Palin. There was nothing he could do for her and it sunk the ticket. I was for him, right up until he picked her. My first thought was, "Oh,no he got a shallow FOX News babe. What if he kicks the bucket?" Apparently, I was not the only one.

McCain's failure had nothing to do with Palin. Very few voters consider the VP anyway. McCain has been a long known RINO not liked by many Republican voters outside his state. He was just another Democrat in reality. But the facts are it's the economy stupid. I don't think the Republicans could have ran anybody to beat any Democrat. Even Hillary could have won that race with such an advantage.

Opinions vary.

 

[playtime]

what was your first post to this thread? about the topic?

nope

who was it to? the OP?

nyet

you are nothing but a troll who regurgitates his own repetitive childishness. you aren't capable of anything more & i laugh @ y-o-u.

Nyet? Ohhhh, now we know who the REAL Russian troll is! Ha ha! Russia is calling. They want their jokes back!

guess you never learned to step it up to the big leagues. damn, that was lame. no worries, zog will like ya. don't try so hard - you look desperate.

She is destroying you. And again you cannot answer a simple question. I answered yours. Alcoholism Is genetic.

ya, she's a regular stable genius!!!!

I will have to ask her if she has 30+ year old “children” living with her.

lived. temporarily. but you do that.. just more deflection cause you can't hold yer own in a debate... chrissy has already latched onto you - but i guess your ego needs more stroking.

 

[playtime]

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donny is THE president. he's not MY president because he believes anybody that
criticizes him is the enemy. he's such a snowflake.

Who would you vote for in 2020? Do share? Warren? Sanders? LOL

the field is way too broad & i have more debates to watch. bernie is not really on my radar, nor is biden.

One of those two is likely to win the nomination. Will you then vote for them over Trump? I have no idea how anyone other than a free-loader could vote for Sanders.

i learned what voting 3rd party or not voting at all did in 2000. no, i will not vote for trump because i have watched his vile behavior for decades. his policies are detrimental.

 

[White 6]

Trump hasn't favored any particular group of people since he took office. What do you mean by Trump is for them whites???

You just said trump is the white party.

When?

You said "anti-white party" which to a liberal means the "white party" because they like to project their racism onto everyone else.

Since most dem politicians are also white, I doubt if they really want that. That is what they want their voters to believe, but I'm sure they don't want to see themselves become a minority either. They are just pandering as usual.

Question. Would you say that most white racist vote Republican and support Trump, while most black racist vote democrat and will support whoever the Dem of the moment is? Or is that completely off base?

Of course white racists will vote against the Democrat party, and all whites really should. As I already stated, the Democrat party became the anti-white party. Who in their right mind would support a party that is trying to politically wipe them off the face of this country?

Wake up Ray. If, as you say, the Democrat party is the anti-white party, why would white racists support that party. Under your theory, that would be like the KKK joining the Black Panthers. I don't think so, although I can understand why non-leadership Republican party follower, as yourself would hope the white racist folk would join and support the other party. They will embarrass you time and time again.