If you're Episcopalian, the founder of your Church was an adulterer who killed two of his wives

[Lewdog]

Really? You are saying that the Catholic church doesn't teach that sex should only be used for procreation and is against use of contraceptives? I was joking with you... though it is true.

You are wrong, the Catholic Church teaches that sex between a husband and a wife is a gift from God, and is supposed to be pleasurable, but the couple may not act to interfere with the procreative aspect of human sexuality by using artificial birth control. But natural family planning, which is spacing sexual intercourse to times when the woman is not fertile, is allowed.

So sex is meant for procreation... not just for pleasure.

God intends sex to be pleasurable as a gift to us, but we may not interfere with its procreative aspect using artificial methods of birth control. It's a very subtle teaching, and I'm afraid even most Catholics are ignorant on the subject. That is the fault of the priests, who avoid talking about birth control and let it go on, pretending it's not happening.

You ever hear of the religious sect called the Shakers? In 2010 there were only 3 of them left... many have no idea who they are. You know why? They outlawed sex as a sin. So that meant no baby Shakers being born and they had to depend on recruiting people to give up sex and become Shakers. Stop for a second and think about that... and now think about why Catholics would want sex to be about procreation and not using birth control. Let that sink in...

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

So you don't think that causes room for receiving criticism? Sex which some consider a sin, is ok through the Catholic church as long as you don't use birth control. Heck just look at the main focus of Catholicism, the Virgin Mary. She had Jesus without sex.

 

[Blackrook]

You are wrong, the Catholic Church teaches that sex between a husband and a wife is a gift from God, and is supposed to be pleasurable, but the couple may not act to interfere with the procreative aspect of human sexuality by using artificial birth control. But natural family planning, which is spacing sexual intercourse to times when the woman is not fertile, is allowed.

So sex is meant for procreation... not just for pleasure.

God intends sex to be pleasurable as a gift to us, but we may not interfere with its procreative aspect using artificial methods of birth control. It's a very subtle teaching, and I'm afraid even most Catholics are ignorant on the subject. That is the fault of the priests, who avoid talking about birth control and let it go on, pretending it's not happening.

You ever hear of the religious sect called the Shakers? In 2010 there were only 3 of them left... many have no idea who they are. You know why? They outlawed sex as a sin. So that meant no baby Shakers being born and they had to depend on recruiting people to give up sex and become Shakers. Stop for a second and think about that... and now think about why Catholics would want sex to be about procreation and not using birth control. Let that sink in...

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

So you don't think that causes room for receiving criticism? Sex which some consider a sin, is ok through the Catholic church as long as you don't use birth control. Heck just look at the main focus of Catholicism, the Virgin Mary. She had Jesus without sex.

No, the only sexual intercourse that is considered moral by the Catholic Church is between a husband and wife.

Mary had Jesus through intervention of the Holy Spirit.

She might have been stoned if discovered, but Joseph was given a dream convincing him to marry Mary and claim Jesus as his own son.

 

[keepitreal]

Really? You are saying that the Catholic church doesn't teach that sex should only be used for procreation and is against use of contraceptives? I was joking with you... though it is true.

You are wrong, the Catholic Church teaches that sex between a husband and a wife is a gift from God, and is supposed to be pleasurable, but the couple may not act to interfere with the procreative aspect of human sexuality by using artificial birth control. But natural family planning, which is spacing sexual intercourse to times when the woman is not fertile, is allowed.

So sex is meant for procreation... not just for pleasure.

God intends sex to be pleasurable as a gift to us, but we may not interfere with its procreative aspect using artificial methods of birth control. It's a very subtle teaching, and I'm afraid even most Catholics are ignorant on the subject. That is the fault of the priests, who avoid talking about birth control and let it go on, pretending it's not happening.

You ever hear of the religious sect called the Shakers? In 2010 there were only 3 of them left... many have no idea who they are. You know why? They outlawed sex as a sin. So that meant no baby Shakers being born and they had to depend on recruiting people to give up sex and become Shakers. Stop for a second and think about that... and now think about why Catholics would want sex to be about procreation and not using birth control. Let that sink in...

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

Do you read what you write?

Recruiting... increasing denomination members

ITS NOT ABOUT MORE CATHOLICS

ITS ABOUT BRINGING SALVATION TO THE UNSAVED
NOT BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

ITS ABOUT MORE WARRIORS FOR GOD AND CHRIST
NOT MORE MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC RELIGION
WHO FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONS OF MEN
NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

 

[Blackrook]

You are wrong, the Catholic Church teaches that sex between a husband and a wife is a gift from God, and is supposed to be pleasurable, but the couple may not act to interfere with the procreative aspect of human sexuality by using artificial birth control. But natural family planning, which is spacing sexual intercourse to times when the woman is not fertile, is allowed.

So sex is meant for procreation... not just for pleasure.

God intends sex to be pleasurable as a gift to us, but we may not interfere with its procreative aspect using artificial methods of birth control. It's a very subtle teaching, and I'm afraid even most Catholics are ignorant on the subject. That is the fault of the priests, who avoid talking about birth control and let it go on, pretending it's not happening.

You ever hear of the religious sect called the Shakers? In 2010 there were only 3 of them left... many have no idea who they are. You know why? They outlawed sex as a sin. So that meant no baby Shakers being born and they had to depend on recruiting people to give up sex and become Shakers. Stop for a second and think about that... and now think about why Catholics would want sex to be about procreation and not using birth control. Let that sink in...

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

Do you read what you write?

Recruiting... increasing denomination members

ITS NOT ABOUT MORE CATHOLICS

ITS ABOUT BRINGING SALVATION TO THE UNSAVED
NOT BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

ITS ABOUT MORE WARRIORS FOR GOD AND CHRIST
NOT MORE MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC RELIGION
WHO FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONS OF MEN
NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

The Catholic Church is the authentic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not at all. Have you not caught yourself 'at a loss for words.' Do you have the words for describing exactly what certain music or poetry or painting do to you? If we don't have clarity about ourselves, how can we about deity?

Absolutely. I think we're on the same page, we just are not speaking the same language.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So sex is meant for procreation... not just for pleasure.

God intends sex to be pleasurable as a gift to us, but we may not interfere with its procreative aspect using artificial methods of birth control. It's a very subtle teaching, and I'm afraid even most Catholics are ignorant on the subject. That is the fault of the priests, who avoid talking about birth control and let it go on, pretending it's not happening.

You ever hear of the religious sect called the Shakers? In 2010 there were only 3 of them left... many have no idea who they are. You know why? They outlawed sex as a sin. So that meant no baby Shakers being born and they had to depend on recruiting people to give up sex and become Shakers. Stop for a second and think about that... and now think about why Catholics would want sex to be about procreation and not using birth control. Let that sink in...

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

Do you read what you write?

Recruiting... increasing denomination members

ITS NOT ABOUT MORE CATHOLICS

ITS ABOUT BRINGING SALVATION TO THE UNSAVED
NOT BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

ITS ABOUT MORE WARRIORS FOR GOD AND CHRIST
NOT MORE MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC RELIGION
WHO FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONS OF MEN
NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

The Catholic Church is the authentic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Nope.

 

[Blackrook]

God intends sex to be pleasurable as a gift to us, but we may not interfere with its procreative aspect using artificial methods of birth control. It's a very subtle teaching, and I'm afraid even most Catholics are ignorant on the subject. That is the fault of the priests, who avoid talking about birth control and let it go on, pretending it's not happening.

You ever hear of the religious sect called the Shakers? In 2010 there were only 3 of them left... many have no idea who they are. You know why? They outlawed sex as a sin. So that meant no baby Shakers being born and they had to depend on recruiting people to give up sex and become Shakers. Stop for a second and think about that... and now think about why Catholics would want sex to be about procreation and not using birth control. Let that sink in...

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

Do you read what you write?

Recruiting... increasing denomination members

ITS NOT ABOUT MORE CATHOLICS

ITS ABOUT BRINGING SALVATION TO THE UNSAVED
NOT BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

ITS ABOUT MORE WARRIORS FOR GOD AND CHRIST
NOT MORE MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC RELIGION
WHO FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONS OF MEN
NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

The Catholic Church is the authentic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Nope.

What's your theory?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You ever hear of the religious sect called the Shakers? In 2010 there were only 3 of them left... many have no idea who they are. You know why? They outlawed sex as a sin. So that meant no baby Shakers being born and they had to depend on recruiting people to give up sex and become Shakers. Stop for a second and think about that... and now think about why Catholics would want sex to be about procreation and not using birth control. Let that sink in...

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

Do you read what you write?

Recruiting... increasing denomination members

ITS NOT ABOUT MORE CATHOLICS

ITS ABOUT BRINGING SALVATION TO THE UNSAVED
NOT BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

ITS ABOUT MORE WARRIORS FOR GOD AND CHRIST
NOT MORE MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC RELIGION
WHO FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONS OF MEN
NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

The Catholic Church is the authentic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Nope.

What's your theory?

That question shows you don't understand the Lord and the gospel, and I suspect you have no desire to understand. You sound like a Mormon.

 

[Blackrook]

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

I understand your argument, and the fact is when Catholic couples were obeying the Church on birth control, they had much larger families, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

Does the Catholic Church want more Catholics in the world? Yes, definitely. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Every other church wants more people too, but most try to grow through aggressive recruiting strategies. The Catholic Church in the United States has never been aggressive in recruiting people to convert. I don't know why that's true, but it is. It has always sought to grow through larger families, and also through immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and Mexico.

Do you read what you write?

Recruiting... increasing denomination members

ITS NOT ABOUT MORE CATHOLICS

ITS ABOUT BRINGING SALVATION TO THE UNSAVED
NOT BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

ITS ABOUT MORE WARRIORS FOR GOD AND CHRIST
NOT MORE MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC RELIGION
WHO FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONS OF MEN
NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

The Catholic Church is the authentic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Nope.

What's your theory?

That question shows you don't understand the Lord and the gospel, and I suspect you have no desire to understand. You sound like a Mormon.

So you're going to evade answering the question. That's typical.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Do you read what you write?

Recruiting... increasing denomination members

ITS NOT ABOUT MORE CATHOLICS

ITS ABOUT BRINGING SALVATION TO THE UNSAVED
NOT BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

ITS ABOUT MORE WARRIORS FOR GOD AND CHRIST
NOT MORE MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC RELIGION
WHO FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONS OF MEN
NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

The Catholic Church is the authentic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Nope.

What's your theory?

That question shows you don't understand the Lord and the gospel, and I suspect you have no desire to understand. You sound like a Mormon.

So you're going to evade answering the question. That's typical.

You won't understand.

 

[Blackrook]

The Catholic Church is the authentic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Nope.

What's your theory?

That question shows you don't understand the Lord and the gospel, and I suspect you have no desire to understand. You sound like a Mormon.

So you're going to evade answering the question. That's typical.

You won't understand.

Try me.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nope.

What's your theory?

That question shows you don't understand the Lord and the gospel, and I suspect you have no desire to understand. You sound like a Mormon.

So you're going to evade answering the question. That's typical.

You won't understand.

Try me.

No, you will only get upset like you did above.

 

[Blackrook]

What's your theory?

That question shows you don't understand the Lord and the gospel, and I suspect you have no desire to understand. You sound like a Mormon.

So you're going to evade answering the question. That's typical.

You won't understand.

Try me.

No, you will only get upset like you did above.

After three evasions, I'm getting a pretty clear picture that you have no answer to my question.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That question shows you don't understand the Lord and the gospel, and I suspect you have no desire to understand. You sound like a Mormon.

So you're going to evade answering the question. That's typical.

You won't understand.

Try me.

No, you will only get upset like you did above.

After three evasions, I'm getting a pretty clear picture that you have no answer to my question.

You have been answered, and you don't like them. What you think is immaterial.

 

[Blackrook]

So you're going to evade answering the question. That's typical.

You won't understand.

Try me.

No, you will only get upset like you did above.

After three evasions, I'm getting a pretty clear picture that you have no answer to my question.

You have been answered, and you don't like them. What you think is immaterial.

You have answered nothing, and now I'm SURE you DON'T have an answer.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You won't understand.

Try me.

No, you will only get upset like you did above.

After three evasions, I'm getting a pretty clear picture that you have no answer to my question.

You have been answered, and you don't like them. What you think is immaterial.

You have answered nothing, and now I'm SURE you DON'T have an answer.

 

[Blackrook]

Jake, if you're not going to back up your shit, don't say your shit. Seriously, what a ridiculous waste of time you are, I know from now on not to take you seriously as a debater. You've gone done a few notches in my estimation, down to guno level almost.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Which is your cult of choice?

I'm Catholic.

And before you go on about everything the Catholic Church ever did, or does now, I already know.

I criticize the Episcopalian Church in the way it was founded, but I agree with most of what that church teaches, and a faithful Episcopalian will probably go to heaven.

You, on the other hand, are going to hell.

Unless you repent your wicked ways.

But you probably won't.

You really shouldn't be casting stones then should you now. Man I tell ya, you religiosos can't even get along with one another. You start a thread on another christian sect? Fuck all aya's; all you male dominator god religious fanatics.

I criticize the Episcopalian Church in the way it was founded, but I agree with most of what that church teaches, and a faithful Episcopalian will probably go to heaven.

You, on the other hand, are going to hell.

Unless you repent your wicked ways.

But you probably won't.

Omg...I can't stand people like you!

How dare you tell anyone they are going to hell!
Furthermore, who will/might probably go to heaven!

You know God's plan for their life...
Circumstances He is creating, working in their life

You are speaking for satan

When you say I'm speaking for Satan, you are doing the same exact thing I am doing when I tell people they are going to hell.

As you've said, you're just a shitty halfassed catholic trying to annoy folk.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Jake, if you're not going to back up your shit, don't say your shit. Seriously, what a ridiculous waste of time you are, I know from now on not to take you seriously as a debater. You've gone done a few notches in my estimation, down to guno level almost.

So you'll be banishing guno to hell as well oh Lord?

 

[Nosmo King]

I've seen from you Blackrook several threads disparaging the religion of others. From Islam to Protestant Christianity, you have demeaned, disparaged and dismiss the faith other folks hold dear. Why is that? As a prostletizer, you won't find many converts if your message is 'your faith is crap and only I know the truth'.

Have you ever heard the old adage, pride forth before the fall?

Perhaps you should adopt a more tolerant attitude for other's religion. Unless your purpose is to belittle other faiths so it can be easier for you and whatever warped followers you may have to actively discriminate, then incarcerate then exterminate those you believe are infidels. We've seen it before. In the middle of the last century in central Wurope and in this century in the Middle East. The zealots will always lose. Would you count yourself in their numbers?

I will repeat what I've said before, I'm not "persecuting" anyone, I'm debating religion in a religion forum. Maybe I'm being more honest than people would like, but the fact is, it is perfectly legitimate on this forum to point out the flaws in other people's faiths. Certainly, I don't see anyone holding back when it comes to the Catholic Church, every time I start a thread on Catholicism, it is endless chiming in about how every priest is a pedophile. All I'm doing here is the same thing I see other people doing to Catholicism. You just aren't used to it, because Catholics usually don't fight back. But now you know that if we do, the facts are on our side, and our attacks can be devastating. Get used to it, I'm only beginning.

Fighting over faith is a fool's errand. My God is better than your Fod. My magic is stronger than your magic. Idiocy.

This is America. Here we tolerate the practices of faiths other than our own. We hold this truth inviolate: we are free to worship as we please.

Anyone who believes that worship is a battlefield truly does not understand why we worship at all. I suggest you cool off and accept the worship of others as their own personal choice and stop promoting yours, or any other, as superior.

Then don't get on a "Religion Forum" dumbass, because debating religion is why we have this forum. You people act all shocked because I dared to attack Protestantism, yet you never say a word when Catholicism is the target. I guess Catholics are supposed to just suck it up and take it, never give back what we get every fucking day.

How very Christian of you.