Im back on the Trump bandwagon. Let me tell you why.

What IS the "Republican agenda" these days? Trump has said in recent days that "we have to tax the rich" ...this is a term that is simply a false meme the Republicans have fought for the past decade or more. We don't tax wealth in America, we tax incomes. Trump has said he favors increasing the minimum wage to $10/hr. Again, contradicting something Republicans have been fighting for more than a decade. He bows again to the progressive rhetoric... "it may not be the republican thing to say but we have to help people." Those are HIS words. Just months ago, he stood on the debate stage and said he wouldn't favor raising the MW because it would kill jobs. Now-- he is out there making the progressive argument that the republicans don't want to help people and he is here to help people by raising the minimum wage. How is killing their jobs going to help them?

His daughter said he plans to do paid maternity leave... again, something Republicans have fought for years. He said in Iowa he plans to increase ethanol subsidies... the absolute worst corporate welfare program we waste money on. He has said he favors federal land grabs from states... again, contradictory to Republicanism in every way. He sided with the transgenders in NC, chastising them for being wrong and saying transgenders can use any restroom they want to. Finally, he told the NY Times editorial board "the wall" was negotiable... everything is negotiable.

But still... what IS the Republican agenda when our Republican majority Congress basically surrenders the power of the purse and rubber stamps Obamacare and everything else Obama wanted to do the past 4 years? It really seems like Republicans are simply Democrats who are red headed step-children to be kicked around. Why not just be Democrats and be part of the liked crowd? If you're not going to have any principles of your own, you don't really HAVE an agenda.
Ok, so you'd rather see an activist liberal Court for the next 20 years than support Trump.

No, I'd rather be able to support Trump. He's making that more difficult the more he runs his mouth and so are his supporters. But it's like I've said before, the SCOTUS is really a non-issue at this point because Trump probably won't nominate anything better than Hillary. Who's going to hold him accountable? You tools?
I disagree. Trump says he wants to get rid of Obamacare on his website and that will require a number of lawsuits now pending and soon to be brought to win in the Supreme Court, so it is likely he will appoint some one who believes the powers of the federal government should be limited, he will definitely not be some one Clinton would support, but since there are probably only a few people in America who are "conservative" enough to satisfy you, no doubt you will be disappointed.
It's going to get real bad for Trump and Republicans come election day

Poll: Clinton leads Trump in Georgia
If that prediction comes true, then it will also be bad for all of America and much of the world.
Oh STFU. It was the GOP that caused the Great Recession of 2007. Obama's economy is steady and not broken and you are a joke for even suggesting that if the Democrats win the world is in trouble.

The Democrats got the world out of the GOP's global recession.

Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stop reading conservapedia

Recession of 2008 - Conservapedia
 
Good luck with that....
I tried to find a way to vote for the guy.
It's the economy.
It's immigration...
It's the supreme court.....

And I'm on board.

And then Trump opens his mouth...
and his fingers fly on his twitter account....
And then with the talking again....
He's all over the place....
The mouth keeps talking and talking....

And he contradicts what he said only a few days earlier.

He just might be crazy....
What does it take to stay on message....

Geez......

Ah whatever.....

The guy is inconsistent and a bit of a pathological liar. I dont trust him.....but I trust hillary to do eregoius things.
Eregoius things are the worst things.
 
Ok, so you'd rather see an activist liberal Court for the next 20 years than support Trump.

No, I'd rather be able to support Trump. He's making that more difficult the more he runs his mouth and so are his supporters. But it's like I've said before, the SCOTUS is really a non-issue at this point because Trump probably won't nominate anything better than Hillary. Who's going to hold him accountable? You tools?
I disagree. Trump says he wants to get rid of Obamacare on his website and that will require a number of lawsuits now pending and soon to be brought to win in the Supreme Court, so it is likely he will appoint some one who believes the powers of the federal government should be limited, he will definitely not be some one Clinton would support, but since there are probably only a few people in America who are "conservative" enough to satisfy you, no doubt you will be disappointed.
It's going to get real bad for Trump and Republicans come election day

Poll: Clinton leads Trump in Georgia
If that prediction comes true, then it will also be bad for all of America and much of the world.
Oh STFU. It was the GOP that caused the Great Recession of 2007. Obama's economy is steady and not broken and you are a joke for even suggesting that if the Democrats win the world is in trouble.

The Democrats got the world out of the GOP's global recession.

Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stop reading conservapedia

Recession of 2008 - Conservapedia
Such unquestioning loyal would be commendable in a pet but not in a voter.

"The partial repeal of Glass-Steagall and the financial crisis: After decades of lobbying and proposed legislation, some of the Glass-Steagall provisions were repealed in 1999, when President Bill Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act."

Economists, especially Democratic economists, point to this bill as laying the foundation for the financial crisis that, due to Obama's slow, timid response, led to the recession. It would be fair to assume Hillary Clinton supported her husband's action since she claims they were partners in his presidency.
 
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Spare me the speech on letting muslims into our is safe. Damn the statistics, its common sense that a lot of these people hate us, and it takes a very small amout to do considerable harm.

Tim mCveigh hated you too...he wasn't a muslim.

And?

We have enough bad elements in our society, we dont need to import more.
 
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I know, I know nobody gives a shit who I decide to vote for. So point taken, but Im starting this thread anyway. Im doing so for two reasons 1) everybody else starts theads annoucing who they are supporting 2) I believe a lot of people that are voting for trump have a similar rational to mine, so maybe this thread can provide some insight as to why a lot of ppl are voting for trump. Anyway I have two reasons why Im voting Trump. Here they are:

1) The first reason is the supreme court. Hillary has stated she wants to put progressives on the SC. While my trust when it comes to Trump isnt very high, i trust that he will make better selections than hillary on this matter.

2) Hillary wants to allow many more muslim refugees in the country. An action that I am vehemently against. In particularly when the director of the FBI and director of homeland security is tells us our government cannot suficently vet them.

Donald Trump by no means is a perfect candidate. I dont buy into the caricature that the media tries to create though. Hes not stupid, a bigot, or some who hasnt achieved a tremendous amount of succes in buisness. Im not going to lie, Im not confident he will make a good president, but it is concievable that he would. I dont see that possiblity for hillary clinton.
Odd you are jumping on the bandwagon as everyone else is jumping off

True. He has not been having a good stretch recently, but we see where he stands when more wikileaks are published.
 
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That's why most of us want hillary to win. We don't want another anti abortion anti environment pro citizen united dick on the supreme.

Thanks for pointing out why hillary must win.

Alito and Roberts have sided with corporations 100% of the time. They are corporate cronies

Ooops, typo Silly Bonobo - you mean they sided with the CONSTITUtION 100% of the time, that they are CONSTITUTION cronies.

You democrats are dedicated to putting an end to the constitution, and the Bill of Rights that you so desperately hate.
 
Obama was nowhere near as bad as Bush.

Put down the Easy-Off and the paper bag, Gump. You've had enough.


And Trump will be a lot worse than him.

Obama has done more damage to the Constitution and civil rights than any President in history.

Hillary will be far worse and will spawn a civil war.
 
No, I'd rather be able to support Trump. He's making that more difficult the more he runs his mouth and so are his supporters. But it's like I've said before, the SCOTUS is really a non-issue at this point because Trump probably won't nominate anything better than Hillary. Who's going to hold him accountable? You tools?
I disagree. Trump says he wants to get rid of Obamacare on his website and that will require a number of lawsuits now pending and soon to be brought to win in the Supreme Court, so it is likely he will appoint some one who believes the powers of the federal government should be limited, he will definitely not be some one Clinton would support, but since there are probably only a few people in America who are "conservative" enough to satisfy you, no doubt you will be disappointed.
It's going to get real bad for Trump and Republicans come election day

Poll: Clinton leads Trump in Georgia
If that prediction comes true, then it will also be bad for all of America and much of the world.
Oh STFU. It was the GOP that caused the Great Recession of 2007. Obama's economy is steady and not broken and you are a joke for even suggesting that if the Democrats win the world is in trouble.

The Democrats got the world out of the GOP's global recession.

Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stop reading conservapedia

Recession of 2008 - Conservapedia
Such unquestioning loyal would be commendable in a pet but not in a voter.

"The partial repeal of Glass-Steagall and the financial crisis: After decades of lobbying and proposed legislation, some of the Glass-Steagall provisions were repealed in 1999, when President Bill Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act."

Economists, especially Democratic economists, point to this bill as laying the foundation for the financial crisis that, due to Obama's slow, timid response, led to the recession. It would be fair to assume Hillary Clinton supported her husband's action since she claims they were partners in his presidency.

thanks for that....i was feeling irony deficient today. :rofl:
 
Good luck with that....
I tried to find a way to vote for the guy.
It's the economy.
It's immigration...
It's the supreme court.....

And I'm on board.

And then Trump opens his mouth...
and his fingers fly on his twitter account....
And then with the talking again....
He's all over the place....
The mouth keeps talking and talking....

And he contradicts what he said only a few days earlier.

He just might be crazy....
What does it take to stay on message....

Geez......

Ah whatever.....

The guy is inconsistent and a bit of a pathological liar. I dont trust him.....but I trust hillary to do eregoius things.
Eregoius things are the worst things.

e·gre·gious
əˈɡrējəs/
adjective
  1. 1.
    outstandingly bad; shocking.
    "egregious abuses of copyright"
    synonyms: shocking, appalling, terrible, awful,horrendous, frightful, atrocious, abominable,abhorrent, outrageous; More

  2. 2.
    archaic
    remarkably good.
 
Oh STFU. It was the GOP that caused the Great Recession of 2007. Obama's economy is steady and not broken and you are a joke for even suggesting that if the Democrats win the world is in trouble.

The Democrats got the world out of the GOP's global recession.

Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stop reading conservapedia

Recession of 2008 - Conservapedia

Wikipedia doesn't say what you claim monkey boi.

You're just lying again, as democrats do.

Run off and have a banana, Silly Bonobo

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Good luck with that....
I tried to find a way to vote for the guy.
It's the economy.
It's immigration...
It's the supreme court.....

And I'm on board.

And then Trump opens his mouth...
and his fingers fly on his twitter account....
And then with the talking again....
He's all over the place....
The mouth keeps talking and talking....

And he contradicts what he said only a few days earlier.

He just might be crazy....
What does it take to stay on message....

Geez......

Ah whatever.....
Ever think it could just be that the media is lying to you?

Here is a different example.

I am a Catholic and when Pope Francis was quoted as planning to recognize Gay Marriage in the Catholic Church a about a year ago, I dug into the issue. No traditional Catholic like Francis is going to assert that there is moral legitimacy to gay marriage. Sure enough, Francis did not say that. He said the gays in the church who are legally married should be treated with dignity and care, but that their relationship was still disordered and wrong and the priests should guide them to reform. He has since made more obvious statements to the same effect, but the point is that Pope Francis never said what the media says he did. They just decided to spin it that way.

Trump does fire from the hip on Twitter and in front of cameras, and I like it, overall. He flubs a thing or two, but at least he hasnt claimed there are 57 states like Obama or that Comey said something that he did not like when Hillary lied about her email scandal over the last week.

Trumps flubs are not on substantial issues, but little side conversations that his enemies in the corporate owned media distort and exaggerate to make him look bad.

The first thing you should do is to stop trusting the media so much, then start digging into topics yourself before passing judgement on someone you do not personally know.
 
Good luck with that....
I tried to find a way to vote for the guy.
It's the economy.
It's immigration...
It's the supreme court.....

And I'm on board.

And then Trump opens his mouth...
and his fingers fly on his twitter account....
And then with the talking again....
He's all over the place....
The mouth keeps talking and talking....

And he contradicts what he said only a few days earlier.

He just might be crazy....
What does it take to stay on message....

Geez......

Ah whatever.....

The guy is inconsistent and a bit of a pathological liar. I dont trust him.....but I trust hillary to do eregoius things.
Eregoius things are the worst things.

e·gre·gious
əˈɡrējəs/
adjective
  1. 1.
    outstandingly bad; shocking.
    "egregious abuses of copyright"
    synonyms: shocking, appalling, terrible, awful,horrendous, frightful, atrocious, abominable,abhorrent, outrageous; More

  2. 2.
    archaic
    remarkably good.
^Dyslexic spazz tries to teach, lol.
 
Good luck with that....
I tried to find a way to vote for the guy.
It's the economy.
It's immigration...
It's the supreme court.....

And I'm on board.

And then Trump opens his mouth...
and his fingers fly on his twitter account....
And then with the talking again....
He's all over the place....
The mouth keeps talking and talking....

And he contradicts what he said only a few days earlier.

He just might be crazy....
What does it take to stay on message....

Geez......

Ah whatever.....

The guy is inconsistent and a bit of a pathological liar. I dont trust him.....but I trust hillary to do eregoius things.
Eregoius things are the worst things.

e·gre·gious
əˈɡrējəs/
adjective
  1. 1.
    outstandingly bad; shocking.
    "egregious abuses of copyright"
    synonyms: shocking, appalling, terrible, awful,horrendous, frightful, atrocious, abominable,abhorrent, outrageous; More

  2. 2.
    archaic
    remarkably good.
^Dyslexic spazz tries to teach, lol.
^Retarded fuck tries to mock, lol.
 
I agree with those reasons and others for voting for Trump, but what puzzles me is that Clinton announced at the convention her number one priority is to appoint a liberal justice to the Supreme Court, so how can some prominent Republicans announce they will not support Trump or will even vote for Clinton when they know that if she wins this appointment will wipe out the Republican agenda for perhaps the next twenty years? Have they completely abandoned the Republican agenda?

What IS the "Republican agenda" these days? Trump has said in recent days that "we have to tax the rich" ...this is a term that is simply a false meme the Republicans have fought for the past decade or more. We don't tax wealth in America, we tax incomes. Trump has said he favors increasing the minimum wage to $10/hr. Again, contradicting something Republicans have been fighting for more than a decade. He bows again to the progressive rhetoric... "it may not be the republican thing to say but we have to help people." Those are HIS words. Just months ago, he stood on the debate stage and said he wouldn't favor raising the MW because it would kill jobs. Now-- he is out there making the progressive argument that the republicans don't want to help people and he is here to help people by raising the minimum wage. How is killing their jobs going to help them?

His daughter said he plans to do paid maternity leave... again, something Republicans have fought for years. He said in Iowa he plans to increase ethanol subsidies... the absolute worst corporate welfare program we waste money on. He has said he favors federal land grabs from states... again, contradictory to Republicanism in every way. He sided with the transgenders in NC, chastising them for being wrong and saying transgenders can use any restroom they want to. Finally, he told the NY Times editorial board "the wall" was negotiable... everything is negotiable.

But still... what IS the Republican agenda when our Republican majority Congress basically surrenders the power of the purse and rubber stamps Obamacare and everything else Obama wanted to do the past 4 years? It really seems like Republicans are simply Democrats who are red headed step-children to be kicked around. Why not just be Democrats and be part of the liked crowd? If you're not going to have any principles of your own, you don't really HAVE an agenda.
Ok, so you'd rather see an activist liberal Court for the next 20 years than support Trump.

No, I'd rather be able to support Trump. He's making that more difficult the more he runs his mouth and so are his supporters. But it's like I've said before, the SCOTUS is really a non-issue at this point because Trump probably won't nominate anything better than Hillary. Who's going to hold him accountable? You tools?
I disagree. Trump says he wants to get rid of Obamacare on his website and that will require a number of lawsuits now pending and soon to be brought to win in the Supreme Court, so it is likely he will appoint some one who believes the powers of the federal government should be limited, he will definitely not be some one Clinton would support, but since there are probably only a few people in America who are "conservative" enough to satisfy you, no doubt you will be disappointed.
Trump said he wants to "repeal and replace" Obamacare. When pressed on the issue, he says he wants to replace it with "universal health care" and says he likes "single payer" which is something even the liberal democrats didn't have the votes for when Obamacare passed. So, yeah.. he wants to repeal and replace Obamacare with something even more radical liberal. You okay with that?

And WHY do you challenge my conservative credentials by insultingly putting "conservative" in quotes? As if, my type of conservative is something not conservative at all? That's YOUR type of conservative... YOU are the one supporting a populist-nationalist who is anything BUT a conservative and continues to smear conservatives and conservatism every chance he gets. Regardless of Ted Cruz, I advocate and support the philosophies of Conservatism as articulated by Friedrich Hayek, as well as Hume, Locke, Tocqueville, Birch and others. I've read their works, I understand their philosophy, it's what I believe in, it defines my political viewpoint. How am I NOT a Conservative? :dunno:

If you are going to take me on and attack my Conservative credentials, you're going to HAVE to do it on substance and not this mindless, smarmy and snarky personal attacking because I don't support your rock star.
 
I agree with those reasons and others for voting for Trump, but what puzzles me is that Clinton announced at the convention her number one priority is to appoint a liberal justice to the Supreme Court, so how can some prominent Republicans announce they will not support Trump or will even vote for Clinton when they know that if she wins this appointment will wipe out the Republican agenda for perhaps the next twenty years? Have they completely abandoned the Republican agenda?

What IS the "Republican agenda" these days? Trump has said in recent days that "we have to tax the rich" ...this is a term that is simply a false meme the Republicans have fought for the past decade or more. We don't tax wealth in America, we tax incomes. Trump has said he favors increasing the minimum wage to $10/hr. Again, contradicting something Republicans have been fighting for more than a decade. He bows again to the progressive rhetoric... "it may not be the republican thing to say but we have to help people." Those are HIS words. Just months ago, he stood on the debate stage and said he wouldn't favor raising the MW because it would kill jobs. Now-- he is out there making the progressive argument that the republicans don't want to help people and he is here to help people by raising the minimum wage. How is killing their jobs going to help them?

His daughter said he plans to do paid maternity leave... again, something Republicans have fought for years. He said in Iowa he plans to increase ethanol subsidies... the absolute worst corporate welfare program we waste money on. He has said he favors federal land grabs from states... again, contradictory to Republicanism in every way. He sided with the transgenders in NC, chastising them for being wrong and saying transgenders can use any restroom they want to. Finally, he told the NY Times editorial board "the wall" was negotiable... everything is negotiable.

But still... what IS the Republican agenda when our Republican majority Congress basically surrenders the power of the purse and rubber stamps Obamacare and everything else Obama wanted to do the past 4 years? It really seems like Republicans are simply Democrats who are red headed step-children to be kicked around. Why not just be Democrats and be part of the liked crowd? If you're not going to have any principles of your own, you don't really HAVE an agenda.
Ok, so you'd rather see an activist liberal Court for the next 20 years than support Trump.

No, I'd rather be able to support Trump. He's making that more difficult the more he runs his mouth and so are his supporters. But it's like I've said before, the SCOTUS is really a non-issue at this point because Trump probably won't nominate anything better than Hillary. Who's going to hold him accountable? You tools?
I disagree. Trump says he wants to get rid of Obamacare on his website and that will require a number of lawsuits now pending and soon to be brought to win in the Supreme Court, so it is likely he will appoint some one who believes the powers of the federal government should be limited, he will definitely not be some one Clinton would support, but since there are probably only a few people in America who are "conservative" enough to satisfy you, no doubt you will be disappointed.
Trump said he wants to "repeal and replace" Obamacare. When pressed on the issue, he says he wants to replace it with "universal health care" and says he likes "single payer" which is something even the liberal democrats didn't have the votes for when Obamacare passed. So, yeah.. he wants to repeal and replace Obamacare with something even more radical liberal. You okay with that?

And WHY do you challenge my conservative credentials by insultingly putting "conservative" in quotes? As if, my type of conservative is something not conservative at all? That's YOUR type of conservative... YOU are the one supporting a populist-nationalist who is anything BUT a conservative and continues to smear conservatives and conservatism every chance he gets. Regardless of Ted Cruz, I advocate and support the philosophies of Conservatism as articulated by Friedrich Hayek, as well as Hume, Locke, Tocqueville, Birch and others. I've read their works, I understand their philosophy, it's what I believe in, it defines my political viewpoint. How am I NOT a Conservative? :dunno:

If you are going to take me on and attack my Conservative credentials, you're going to HAVE to do it on substance and not this mindless, smarmy and snarky personal attacking because I don't support your rock star.

"Trump says ...." is about as compelling as "studies have shown ...".
 
Ok, so you'd rather see an activist liberal Court for the next 20 years than support Trump.

No, I'd rather be able to support Trump. He's making that more difficult the more he runs his mouth and so are his supporters. But it's like I've said before, the SCOTUS is really a non-issue at this point because Trump probably won't nominate anything better than Hillary. Who's going to hold him accountable? You tools?
I disagree. Trump says he wants to get rid of Obamacare on his website and that will require a number of lawsuits now pending and soon to be brought to win in the Supreme Court, so it is likely he will appoint some one who believes the powers of the federal government should be limited, he will definitely not be some one Clinton would support, but since there are probably only a few people in America who are "conservative" enough to satisfy you, no doubt you will be disappointed.
It's going to get real bad for Trump and Republicans come election day

Poll: Clinton leads Trump in Georgia
If that prediction comes true, then it will also be bad for all of America and much of the world.
Oh STFU. It was the GOP that caused the Great Recession of 2007. Obama's economy is steady and not broken and you are a joke for even suggesting that if the Democrats win the world is in trouble.

The Democrats got the world out of the GOP's global recession.

Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stop reading conservapedia

Recession of 2008 - Conservapedia

I have consistently said it had many causes and not one party or group is to blame. Here is a partial list from factcheck.org.

So who is to blame? There’s plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn’t fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn’t do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility … with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role." Here’s a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:
The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.

Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.

Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.

Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.

The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.

Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.

The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.

Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.
–by Joe Miller and Brooks Jackson

Only partisan whackadoodles believe it was one party or the other party's fault. That is why we are doomed to repeat it, we haven't learned.
 
I agree with those reasons and others for voting for Trump, but what puzzles me is that Clinton announced at the convention her number one priority is to appoint a liberal justice to the Supreme Court, so how can some prominent Republicans announce they will not support Trump or will even vote for Clinton when they know that if she wins this appointment will wipe out the Republican agenda for perhaps the next twenty years? Have they completely abandoned the Republican agenda?

What IS the "Republican agenda" these days? Trump has said in recent days that "we have to tax the rich" ...this is a term that is simply a false meme the Republicans have fought for the past decade or more. We don't tax wealth in America, we tax incomes. Trump has said he favors increasing the minimum wage to $10/hr. Again, contradicting something Republicans have been fighting for more than a decade. He bows again to the progressive rhetoric... "it may not be the republican thing to say but we have to help people." Those are HIS words. Just months ago, he stood on the debate stage and said he wouldn't favor raising the MW because it would kill jobs. Now-- he is out there making the progressive argument that the republicans don't want to help people and he is here to help people by raising the minimum wage. How is killing their jobs going to help them?

His daughter said he plans to do paid maternity leave... again, something Republicans have fought for years. He said in Iowa he plans to increase ethanol subsidies... the absolute worst corporate welfare program we waste money on. He has said he favors federal land grabs from states... again, contradictory to Republicanism in every way. He sided with the transgenders in NC, chastising them for being wrong and saying transgenders can use any restroom they want to. Finally, he told the NY Times editorial board "the wall" was negotiable... everything is negotiable.

But still... what IS the Republican agenda when our Republican majority Congress basically surrenders the power of the purse and rubber stamps Obamacare and everything else Obama wanted to do the past 4 years? It really seems like Republicans are simply Democrats who are red headed step-children to be kicked around. Why not just be Democrats and be part of the liked crowd? If you're not going to have any principles of your own, you don't really HAVE an agenda.
Ok, so you'd rather see an activist liberal Court for the next 20 years than support Trump.

No, I'd rather be able to support Trump. He's making that more difficult the more he runs his mouth and so are his supporters. But it's like I've said before, the SCOTUS is really a non-issue at this point because Trump probably won't nominate anything better than Hillary. Who's going to hold him accountable? You tools?
I disagree. Trump says he wants to get rid of Obamacare on his website and that will require a number of lawsuits now pending and soon to be brought to win in the Supreme Court, so it is likely he will appoint some one who believes the powers of the federal government should be limited, he will definitely not be some one Clinton would support, but since there are probably only a few people in America who are "conservative" enough to satisfy you, no doubt you will be disappointed.
Trump said he wants to "repeal and replace" Obamacare. When pressed on the issue, he says he wants to replace it with "universal health care" and says he likes "single payer" which is something even the liberal democrats didn't have the votes for when Obamacare passed. So, yeah.. he wants to repeal and replace Obamacare with something even more radical liberal. You okay with that?

And WHY do you challenge my conservative credentials by insultingly putting "conservative" in quotes? As if, my type of conservative is something not conservative at all? That's YOUR type of conservative... YOU are the one supporting a populist-nationalist who is anything BUT a conservative and continues to smear conservatives and conservatism every chance he gets. Regardless of Ted Cruz, I advocate and support the philosophies of Conservatism as articulated by Friedrich Hayek, as well as Hume, Locke, Tocqueville, Birch and others. I've read their works, I understand their philosophy, it's what I believe in, it defines my political viewpoint. How am I NOT a Conservative? :dunno:

If you are going to take me on and attack my Conservative credentials, you're going to HAVE to do it on substance and not this mindless, smarmy and snarky personal attacking because I don't support your rock star.
I am not attacking your philosophy, just pointing how irrelevant it is the real events transpiring. You continue to make the argument that if some one is not as true a believer as yourself, then he is a liberal, which is essentially what you are saying when you claim Trump would appoint the same kind of justice as Clinton would. As I have said before, Trump is not an ideological conservative but a pragmatist with no political allegiances who leans right. I am an independent who tends to lean right on national security issues and economic issues but left on social issues. As for broad healthcare coverage by some means, most Americans left or right support it. Hayek, Hume, Locke, Tocqueville, Birch and no doubt the others who inspire you, did not have to deal with the problems of governing a democracy, so it is foolish to think anyone could remain entirely faithful their precepts in the real political world and get anything done.

Like most Americans, Trump believes everyone should have access to healthcare but that Obamacare is the wrong way to do it. Right now there is a federal district court decision that the government cannot provide subsidies if the Congress has not appropriated funds specifically for that purpose. Obama is appealing this decision since it would spell the end of Obamacare and whatever the appeals court says, it is a certainty it will go to the Supreme Court. If Clinton is elected, the Court will strike down the lower court's decision and Obamacare will go on, but if Trump gets to appoint Scalia's replacement, the lower court's decision will be upheld clearing the way for a fresh debate on healthcare. What will happen after that is anyone's guess, but Obamacare will be gone.
 
I am not attacking your philosophy, just pointing how irrelevant it is the real events transpiring. You continue to make the argument that if some one is not as true a believer as yourself, then he is a liberal, which is essentially what you are saying when you claim Trump would appoint the same kind of justice as Clinton would. As I have said before, Trump is not an ideological conservative but a pragmatist with no political allegiances who leans right. I am an independent who tends to lean right on national security issues and economic issues but left on social issues. As for broad healthcare coverage by some means, most Americans left or right support it. Hayek, Hume, Locke, Tocqueville, Birch and no doubt the others who inspire you, did not have to deal with the problems of governing a democracy, so it is foolish to think anyone could remain entirely faithful their precepts in the real political world and get anything done.

Like most Americans, Trump believes everyone should have access to healthcare but that Obamacare is the wrong way to do it. Right now there is a federal district court decision that the government cannot provide subsidies if the Congress has not appropriated funds specifically for that purpose. Obama is appealing this decision since it would spell the end of Obamacare and whatever the appeals court says, it is a certainty it will go to the Supreme Court. If Clinton is elected, the Court will strike down the lower court's decision and Obamacare will go on, but if Trump gets to appoint Scalia's replacement, the lower court's decision will be upheld clearing the way for a fresh debate on healthcare. What will happen after that is anyone's guess, but Obamacare will be gone.

Well, sorry, but whenever you put "conservative" in quotes, it is attacking my political philosophy. I am a Conservative and I am consistently a Conservative, every day of day of the week. My Conservative principles don't change with the times or over the "popularity" of a candidate. My viewpoint is very much relevant because it's the viewpoint of our founders and framers of the Constitution.

Hayek, Hume, Locke, Tocqueville and Birch didn't have to deal with governing a democracy and neither do we... The US is not a democracy, it's a republic. We don't have a problem with "access to health care" ...there is no state in the union that doesn't have indigent care law where health care is accessible to anyone regardless of their ability to pay. Trump has said, in so many words, he favors a plan more like that of Hillary Clinton from before Obamacare. That's simply not Conservative and I can't support it.

We can get into a whole entire side-debate about health care but the idea that health care is a "right" has used a weird context of a "right" from the progressives. A "right" is, by nature, something you have that doesn't infringe upon someone else. Like, I can say that I have a right to freely travel... we agree on this, right? It's my right to come and go as I please... that doesn't infringe upon you in any way. But if we interpret my "right to travel" in the same way as progressives articulate the "right to health care" then you should be obligated to pay for my travel expenses. I would suspect, most Americans wouldn't go along with this... they'd say, I have the right to travel but they don't have an obligation to pay for it. The same is true with health care. You have the right to health care, I don't have the obligation to pay for it.

Again, I originally thought that Trump was a non-ideological pragmatist and I was prepared for supporting that in this election over Hillary, who is very clearly a leftist ideologue. But Trump has changed radically from who he was during the primaries and has now come out in favor of many left-wing viewpoints. I can't support that as a Conservative. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings or if that causes a problem... it's just not something I can do. I may be able to vote for him if he convinces me he will not govern as a liberal ideologue but he's going to have to stop attacking conservatives and contradicting conservative principles. If he doesn't, I can't help it... that's not MY fault... I can't support him and I won't vote for him. If he loses because of that, it's on him... this is his responsibility. He has to win my vote.
 

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