In normal world, this is known as "fraud".

[Faun]

Like no one believes the election was not stolen? There is a fraud that fooled no one.

 

[Faun]

No fraud is committed by those who DO deceive. Nobody can defraud a lender or even attempt to defraud a lender by overvaluing his property because the lender will not take the borrower's word for the value of the collateral. You can take that fact to the bank.

Great, then post the law which shows that...

 

[Faun]

That’s your opinion and is the way it is supposed to be.

FBI weaponized by Biden Justice Department in campaign against Trump

FBI raid on former president Trump part of administration's unprecedented campaign against all Americans who don't share their narrow political worldview.

www.foxnews.com

What department policy is violated by charging a candidate with crimes 19 months before an election?

 

[BackAgain]

The State of New York, as I have explained multiple times. When you break a jurisidiction's laws, the jurisdiction is the victim.

That's why many cases are called "The People of (Jurisdiction) vs. (Defendant's Name)". I'll bet you've heard that phrase many times, whether you'll admit it or not.

My goodnesss, you people and your intellectual rabbit hole. You are hopeless.

Wrong. You haven’t “explained” anything. And the small snippet which you’re struggling to verbalize is incorrect, anyway.

The legal definition of fraud isn’t some foggy amorphous thing. It is a term which the law defines.

Fraud Cases (like other criminal charges) are brought against defendants in NY in the NAME of the People. But that doesn’t translate into the People being the alleged victims of the charged fraud.

Try again, Skippy.

 

[BackAgain]

For the typically ignorant denier of reality, Mac.1958.

Penal Law - § 190.65 Scheme to defraud in the first degree​

1. A person is guilty of a scheme to defraud in the first degree when he or she:  (a) engages in a scheme constituting a systematic ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud ten or more persons or to obtain property from ten or more persons by false or fraudulent pretenses, representations or promises, and so obtains property from one or more of such persons;  or (b) engages in a scheme constituting a systematic ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud more than one person or to obtain property from more than one person by false or fraudulent pretenses, representations or promises, and so obtains property with a value in excess of one thousand dollars from one or more such persons;  or (c) engages in a scheme constituting a systematic ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud more than one person, more than one of whom is a vulnerable elderly person as defined in subdivision three of section 260.30of this chapter or to obtain property from more than one person, more than one of whom is a vulnerable elderly person as defined in subdivision three of section 260.30of this chapter, by false or fraudulent pretenses, representations or promises, and so obtains property from one or more such persons.
2. In any prosecution under this section, it shall be necessary to prove the identity of at least one person from whom the defendant so obtained property …

Poor mindless Mac.1958 can’t quite grasp that a crime of fraud can’t be completed by mere bad intentions alone, or even by bad intentions coupled with some specific conduct. It requires that there must be a specific victim.

And no. It doesn’t suffice to say “the ‘people,’ in general, are the victims.”

 

[Batcat]

What department policy is violated by charging a candidate with crimes 19 months before an election?

How about covering up crimes of a favored candidate? Like Hillary or Joe Biden?

FBI Possesses Significant, Impactful, Voluminous Evidence of Potential Criminality in Biden Family Business Arrangements | U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa

WASHINGTON – Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Chuck Grassley is calling on the FBI...

www.grassley.senate.gov

Durham proves that Hillary and the FBI tried to rig the 2016 election

Yet despite the damning evidence, most of the media are treating the Durham report as a “nothingburger.”

nypost.com

 

[Foxfyre]

Great, then post the law which shows that...

Every home we've sold I have valued higher than my real estate agent valued it. We both valued it higher to the potential buyer than the appraisal came in at. Nobody accused anybody of fraud. But we could drop the price to what the appraised value came in, the buyer felt like he/she got a good deal, and we got a fair price for the sale.

But I have yet to sell a property that the bank or other lender accepted the value I, the real estate agent, or the buyer put on it. They have it appraised by their own appraiser. And they also run a full background check on our buyer's credit, criminal record, etc. to be sure he/she is likely to be reliable to repay the loan.

See how the free market works? No fraud. No intended fraud. You just do business to the best advantage that is reasonable.

And since Trump has not defaulted on his Mar-a-lago loan nor have the bankers accused him of defrauding them, you can be sure they did the same before loaning millions of dollars and were satisfied they made a good deal. If Deutsche Bank who did a lot of business with Trump relied solely on Trump's own financial statements to make loans, then they may have been irresponsible and might should be investigated for being careless with their investor's money, but they certainly had all the resources they needed to investigate his background, credit history and net worth thoroughly.

 

[Foxfyre]

Great, then post the law which shows that...

I go by my own buying and selling history, by having a daughter-in-law and a good friend who are real estate agents.

We once bought a home when our previous home that was still mortgaged had not yet sold. We were in transitional jobs and didn't have an income at that time to merit two mortgages, but the lender made us the loan because we had been paying rent the equivalent of a mortgage payment plus the mortgage payments on the other house for a year with no defaults or late payments. So they made the judgment we were good for it. And we were.

But then we didn't have to deal with unbridled hate, dishonest prosecution, total TDS that Trump has to deal with.

You can be sure Deutsche bank who loaned Trump the money to buy Mar-a-lago knew he was good for it whether or not they used Trump's financial statements to make him the loan. They had been doing business with Trump for some time.

 

[sartre play]

If your in a position of power and keep poking sticks at people who do not agree with you
. At some point they will be forced to fight back.
It is sad but Hate begets Hate.

 

[j-mac]

Trump didn't understand that holding or seeking a political office comes with the scrutiny that he couldn't afford. I think he does now though

He should’ve stayed a democrat, then you wouldn’t care…

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How about covering up crimes of a favored candidate? Like Hillary or Joe Biden?

FBI Possesses Significant, Impactful, Voluminous Evidence of Potential Criminality in Biden Family Business Arrangements | U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa

WASHINGTON – Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Chuck Grassley is calling on the FBI...

www.grassley.senate.gov

Durham proves that Hillary and the FBI tried to rig the 2016 election

Yet despite the damning evidence, most of the media are treating the Durham report as a “nothingburger.”

nypost.com

How about, these cult fantasies won't get you anywhere?

 

[L.K.Eder]

For the typically ignorant denier of reality, Mac.1958.


Poor mindless Mac.1958 can’t quite grasp that a crime of fraud can’t be completed by mere bad intentions alone, or even by bad intentions coupled with some specific conduct. It requires that there must be a specific victim.

And no. It doesn’t suffice to say “the ‘people,’ in general, are the victims.”

shyster cites the wrong law. lol. try 63 12 and see how it defines fraud, fraud.

 

[Mac1958]

In 2020, Trump agreed that MAL was worth about $26 million. You could look it up if you wanted to.

Now it's worth $1.8 billion, because he says so.

And that's just one lie on the list. Which is just fine with this "followers".

This is a cult.

 

[Batcat]

How about, these cult fantasies won't get you anywhere?

Wait a few months. The House committees are doing a good job of uncovering how the Biden family profited from selling Joe’s influence and may find irrefutable evidence of Joe also profiting.

Republicans plow ahead with Biden impeachment inquiry hearing as Dems rage

House Republicans swatted aside Democratic attempts to derail the first impeachment inquiry into President Biden, even as the GOP’s witnesses said they don’t have the goods to bring a case against …

nypost.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Wait a few months.

So we'll have to wait until you actually find evidence for things that you started believing a long time ago. Yup that tracks.

 

[Batcat]

So we'll have to wait until you actually find evidence for things that you started believing a long time ago. Yup that tracks.

It would be a lot quicker and a lot easier if we had a DOJ and FBI who was not working for the Democrats.

 

[otto105]

In Normal World, when you overstate the value of your holdings on official documents for the purpose of obtaining loans, that's known as "fraud". When you VASTLY overstate them, that's known as "another day in TrumpWorld™".

Defrauding people is "bad" It's "dishonest". People who commit fraud are "lying".

Here are just a few examples of how Trump commits fraud on financial documents to MAKE IT SEEM that he has a LOT more money than he does.

Trump Tower Triplex
Trump's claim: 30,000 sq ft
Actual appraisal: 10,996 sq ft

Seven Springs Estate Value
Trump's claim: $291 million
Actual appraisal: $30 million

40 Wall Street
Trump's claim: $527 million
Actual appraisal: $220 million

Mar-A-Lago
Trump's claim: $612 million
Actual value: $27.6 million

TNGC Briarcliff and TNGC LA
Trump's claim: $73 million
Actual value: $16 million

============

So I guess the question is, why are his followers so willing to overlook blatant fraud like this? Would any of you like to answer that question?

Let the deflection and personal attacks begin!

Source: Page 21 and beyond, DocumentCloud

George Santos agrees with the numbers provided by the former 1-term fuckup.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It would be a lot quicker and a lot easier if we had a DOJ and FBI who was not working for the Democrats.

I am not interested in your embarrassing cult fantasies.

 

[Batcat]

I am not interested in your embarrassing cult fantasies.

If so, why do you reply?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If so, why do you reply?

You should experience the pushback from normal people, once in a while. It might be the only thing that keeps you from becoming completely detached.