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What a load of horse dung.
When jobs began moving to Mexico under Reagan you're gonna tell me Reagan couldn't humble the unions instead?
Bull crap.
We saw what he did to the Air Traffic Controllers...he destroyed their lives.
It's all about displacing the American worker.
I mean really..
"Take grass cutting. As defined by the current United Auto Worker contract negotiated with the "Big Five" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, and top parts makers Delphi and Visteon), an auto "production worker" is a job description that covers anything from mowing grass to cleaning the toilets.
In the real world, these jobs would be outsourced to $8 an hour, no-benefit wage earners, but on Planet Big Five, these jobs get the same wages as any auto line-worker: an average $26 an hour ($60,000 a year) plus benefits that bring the company's total cost per worker to a staggering $65 an hour.
But at least the grass cutters are working for their pay.
The UAW contract also guarantees that 12,000 autoworkers get full wage for doing nothing.
Considering the number of unemployed and underemployed far exceeds that of the Conservative, I would suggest they pick another meme.
How about "Jobs for US Citizens"?
Nah! That would infringe on FREEDOM!
Unlike progressives we conservatives care more about the country and about our descendants than we do about winning elections. For people like you and those you vote for, the ends justify the means, all you care about is getting the win at all costs. You can keep that shit.
All Conservatives care about is their money; they don't give a damn about the US or their children.
Lol, really?
What about when a giant company lobbies to make it mandatory for sellers (within their industry) to purchase expensive licenses every year to do business? You don't believe that sort of thing goes on? You don't think that might make it more difficult for the new guy to get started? Come on, DUDE.
Again, that isn't the only opportunity a available. That one door may be closed but it isn't the only door. Do I need to give you examples of success stories to counter your examples of opportunities that weren't obtainable? We could go on forever back and forth.
Opportunity is always there, it is no guarantee that you will always find it and always be successful. As I said, no one has the right to equality of outcome.
LOL - Pred I get that, and understand there are other opportunities available.
I'm simply saying that the closing of the door was completely unnecessary so lets get it open again! If there's no societal or practical need for the license that limits opportunity how about we do away with it? Why are you settling for less? It makes no sense.
All I did with that example was show one way that crony capitalism would impede opportunity. I never claimed it would fully eliminate it..
There is nothing innate about Capitalism that protects the interest of those actually doing the producing. It protects the ownership class. Today, Conservatives dismiss labor unions. Because the labor union protects the workers. Today Conservatives champion the wealthy because the wealthy tell them that it is the wealthy who create jobs.It is Capitalism and only Capitalism that promotes this type of inequality. Want some examples? Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan. In the 19th century these guys were called "Robber Barons". They exploited workers, crushed their competition by manipulating the market and ran rough shod over anyone opposing them. Once enough damage was done, once the wealth was sequestered American took steps to prevent it in the future. But once the monied interests got their man in the Oval Office back in the 1980s, we heard of what his successor called "Voodoo Economics" and the race was on.
It has happened before and so long as there is greed and a willfully ignorant group of political zealots whose information is spoon fed to them by those monied interests, it can happen again.
That wasn't "the system" it was men manipulating and corrupting the system.
But today, the wealthy aren't wealthy because they themselves have created anything. They are wealthy not from earning, but from manipulating money to their advantage. Wasn't it at least noble that Carnegie and Rockefeller actually produced something? Today's wealthy only produce more wealth for themselves.
Supreme Court denies RNC bid to end voter fraud consent decree - Los Angeles Times
your cheating is court documented all the way to the SCOTUS
Are you retarded?
Obviously there are major differences in parenting and many parents work very hard to give their children the best opportunity possible given their means.
There will never be absolute equality of opportunity.
Again, that isn't the only opportunity a available. That one door may be closed but it isn't the only door. Do I need to give you examples of success stories to counter your examples of opportunities that weren't obtainable? We could go on forever back and forth.
Opportunity is always there, it is no guarantee that you will always find it and always be successful. As I said, no one has the right to equality of outcome.
LOL - Pred I get that, and understand there are other opportunities available.
I'm simply saying that the closing of the door was completely unnecessary so lets get it open again! If there's no societal or practical need for the license that limits opportunity how about we do away with it? Why are you settling for less? It makes no sense.
All I did with that example was show one way that crony capitalism would impede opportunity. I never claimed it would fully eliminate it..
Ok, well, I agree that crony capitalism is bad and needs to be done away with. I still maintain that we have equality if opportunity.
Obviously there are major differences in parenting and many parents work very hard to give their children the best opportunity possible given their means.
There will never be absolute equality of opportunity.
true....but not as you may meant it
As a parent, I believe giving less to assist the child will open a vast amount of opportunities for that child.
I gave mine advice and an example to follow.....but as it pertains to materialistic thing?
He got nothing. Not a dime.
He is now 27 and making a bit more than 100K and on a path to greater things.
So, the "problem" as you see it is that people like Oprah and Beyonce have tons of money and you have very little. Have you asked them to send some to you?
No, the problem is that when wealth is controlled by a few, we get an Oligarchy. The masses then start reaching for the pitchforks and torches and storm the Bastille. As I have stated before, it is amusing when you guys call Obama a socialist when he is nothing of the sort. He is a corporatist, just like every president. If Obama's a socialist, then he is the worst socialist that ever walked the earth.
obama is not a true socialist, he is as marxist collectivist. Nationalizing industry (healthcare) is a marxist collectivist mandate.
I mean really..
"Take grass cutting. As defined by the current United Auto Worker contract negotiated with the "Big Five" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, and top parts makers Delphi and Visteon), an auto "production worker" is a job description that covers anything from mowing grass to cleaning the toilets.
In the real world, these jobs would be outsourced to $8 an hour, no-benefit wage earners, but on Planet Big Five, these jobs get the same wages as any auto line-worker: an average $26 an hour ($60,000 a year) plus benefits that bring the company's total cost per worker to a staggering $65 an hour.
But at least the grass cutters are working for their pay.
The UAW contract also guarantees that 12,000 autoworkers get full wage for doing nothing.
Obviously there are major differences in parenting and many parents work very hard to give their children the best opportunity possible given their means.
There will never be absolute equality of opportunity.
true....but not as you may meant it
As a parent, I believe giving less to assist the child will open a vast amount of opportunities for that child.
I gave mine advice and an example to follow.....but as it pertains to materialistic thing?
He got nothing. Not a dime.
He is now 27 and making a bit more than 100K and on a path to greater things.
and some kids are Waltons.
I applaud you for teaching your kid the value of hard work and earning things for themselves. Not all parents are made the same. Not all kids are made the same.
It's an election year and we will be hearing a lot if bull shit. No bigger pile of crap than "income equality" or lack thereof.
While we should have equality of opportunity (and we do), no one has a right to equality of outcome. The outcome of your opportunity is entirely up to you.
This whole issue is nothing but "spreading the wealth around" rehashed. Obama and the democrats didn't do anything about income equality in the first 5 years, in fact the gap has gotten worse, so they think that if they call it something else they can repackage it and sell it to the sheeple again and they will buy it. They have no real plan to do anything about it but campaign on it.
Equality of opportunity - free capitalist society
Equality of outcome - oppressive socialist society
I mean really..
"Take grass cutting. As defined by the current United Auto Worker contract negotiated with the "Big Five" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, and top parts makers Delphi and Visteon), an auto "production worker" is a job description that covers anything from mowing grass to cleaning the toilets.
In the real world, these jobs would be outsourced to $8 an hour, no-benefit wage earners, but on Planet Big Five, these jobs get the same wages as any auto line-worker: an average $26 an hour ($60,000 a year) plus benefits that bring the company's total cost per worker to a staggering $65 an hour.
But at least the grass cutters are working for their pay.
The UAW contract also guarantees that 12,000 autoworkers get full wage for doing nothing.
Why do you hate these people for trying to earn money? You guys have no problem when a CEO retires or gets fired with a 30 million dollar buyout but by god if some Union guy earns 5 more dollars than you it's an outrage.
The sad thing is that those CEO's are laughing as we fight over someone making 20 dollars an hour vs 30 dollars an hour. They want the middle class at each others throats because they can go on raping this country while no one notices.
Obviously there are major differences in parenting and many parents work very hard to give their children the best opportunity possible given their means.
There will never be absolute equality of opportunity.
Obviously there are major differences in parenting and many parents work very hard to give their children the best opportunity possible given their means.
There will never be absolute equality of opportunity.
That isn't the kind of opportunity I'm talking about.
LOL - Pred I get that, and understand there are other opportunities available.
I'm simply saying that the closing of the door was completely unnecessary so lets get it open again! If there's no societal or practical need for the license that limits opportunity how about we do away with it? Why are you settling for less? It makes no sense.
All I did with that example was show one way that crony capitalism would impede opportunity. I never claimed it would fully eliminate it..
Ok, well, I agree that crony capitalism is bad and needs to be done away with. I still maintain that we have equality if opportunity.
Equality of opportunity implies that people succeed based on their merits, only. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree with you in that not everyone starts off "the same" and it might be the case that Person A has to work a million times harder and overcome a hundred more obstacles than Person B to arrive at the skill level necessary to become a Professor at a University. That's just life, I get it.
But what do you call it when Person B gets the job anyways - despite not being anywhere near as qualified as person A - because "his uncle donated $50,000 to the college"?
Is that still truly equality of opportunity? I don't think so. Not saying I know how to fix it, I'm just calling it like it is.
