Instead of Cutting Services, How about we just ask Corporations to pay their US taxes

[healthmyths]

Taxation is theft. That is as honest as it gets. So called "services" that I do not receive but pay into because if i do not, then the"official" selected by my psycotic neighbors will show up with a gun and either take my property or my freedom. Perhaps even my life.

If you want to be honest and have an honest discussion, then you have to start by admitting what we're talking about here.

Theft with legal authority/impunity.

I get it. You only want to be taxed for things that you use. Dont drive down that street, you shouldnt be taxed for it. Dont go to the library, you shouldnt be taxed for it...Dont need the fire dept, you shouldnt be taxed for it...

That works...until you do need the fire dept, that road or that library...rather short sighted too. Look up the definition of Community or Society...You're free to not engage in either but caves to live in are pretty hard to find

What government services would you consider essential? Which would you prefer to see cut?

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a Committee report released today revealed waste-cleanup recommendations from non-partisan Inspector Generals
working across the federal government, which would save taxpayers $67 billion per year, have not been implemented.
Backlogs of unimplemented recommendations have grown to 16,906.
“President Obama should listen to the recommendations of his Administration’s own Inspector Generals and work with Congress
to implement common sense spending cuts that target wasteful and poorly performing programs instead of settling for the furloughs
and service disruptions happening under the sequester.”
Education and Transportation: We Have No Idea How Much Money We Spend on Conferences - Katie Pavlich

And specifically HERE!!!

- $2.6 million to make sure prostitutes in China drink less on the job.

- $1.44 million in federal funds estimating the size of the population and examining the “social milieu” of male prostitutes in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.

- Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties

- Studying pig poop. The Environmental Protection Agency awarded a $141,450 grant under the Clean Air Act to fund a Chinese study on swine manure!

- a $1.2 million grant to the United Nations for clean fuel promotion.

- Conferences for government employees. In 2008 and 2009 alone, the Department of Justice spent $121 million to host or participate in 1,832 conferences.

_ The US Department of Agriculture has sparked outcry by paying $100,000 a year to a speaker who used compulsory diversity training to teach employees that
“the Pilgrims were illegal aliens” and that “minorities” should be called “emerging majorities”.

- U.S. government has spent $1.5 million to actually preserve some left during the hostile Indian occupation of California’s Alcatraz Island more than four decades go.
While the State Department saved money on security in Libya, it somehow managed to find $5.6 million in 2011 to support “pressing cultural preservation needs” in
dozens of foreign countries. Here are some of the dire projects funded by U.S. tax dollars that perhaps could be better spent on securing U.S. embassies in hostile
Arab countries.
- Uncle Sam doled out
$750,000 to restore a 16th-century tomb complex in India,
$700,000 to conserve ruins in Tanzania,
$600,000 for the “temple of the winged lions” in Jordan and
$450,000 for the conservation of a 10th century temple in Cambodia. Those were just the big ticket projects.
Hundreds of thousands more went to smaller causes throughout the world.

I mean do you REALLY think spending $2.6 million IN CHINA studying drinking habits of Chinese prostitutes is essential??

See this is where you are losing the majority of Americans who NOW understand asking for more money is NOT the solution when the majority of Americans
payroll taxes for SS and Medicare are being used to pay for things like $750,000 restoration of an Indian tomb complex!

 

[BillyV]

Dude transfer pricing blows those number out the water. Companies that engage in it walk way from paying TRILLIONS in taxes. You're playing small ball compared to what I'm talking about. Again, I say let's get blood from a beating heart and you ask for blood from a tadpole.

You know, you’ve thrown out “transfer pricing” on an open board without any explanation of the term or its implications; the responses imply that many don’t understand your point. It refers to companies buying and selling products or services from/to their own subsidiaries in different countries. Since both the buyer and seller are controlled by the same parent corporation, the price at which that takes place has no effect on the overall company. It would be like taking a dollar from your right pocket and moving it to your left; your right pocket is poorer and your left pocket is richer, but you still as an individual have a dollar. So if you produce a product in one country and sell it to another subsidiary in a low-tax country for an artificially low price, you reduce the tax to pay in the former. Then if you sell that product to another high tax country (say the US) for an artificially high price, then you have effectively parked all of the profit in the middle of the transaction (the tax haven country) where the rate is lowest. The beauty of it is this kind of strategy leaves no real trail to be reported in the media, since there is no “tax expenditure” to calculate. The US company simply reports a lower profit based on the artificially high price paid for its own product, and hence pays a lower overall tax. So any comparison with deductions for “employee health premiums”, which is quantifiable, is irrelevant.

The problem, however, is that developed nations like the US know about transfer pricing and are therefore able to ascertain whether a company is pricing its internal transactions improperly to evade US tax; transfer pricing studies are a tremendous growth industry for big accounting firms to help companies avoid an IRS determination that these transactions are not at market prices. Other countries also require companies to support the pricing of their transactions between subsidiaries in their countries and others. In the end, you may find that these strategies, to the extent they are used, would not be the boon to the US that some might think, but rather would raise the taxes collected in countries where enforcement is light or non-existent and the resources necessary to pursue claims against multinationals are not available. Even to the extent that the transactions were improperly priced, the tax would be just as likely to end up in Europe or another developed country. In addition, the most effective of these strategies generally involve intellectual property owned in the tax haven country, where the market value may be extremely high but the amount of facilities/employees etc to maintain it are low. In these cases, often the transfer pricing can be shown to be at market value in compliance with the rules and still moves income to lower tax jurisdictions. So to say that the “companies that engage in it walk [a]way from paying TRILLIONS” from transfer pricing is unsupportable.; if it were supportable, the IRS would already be collecting it, as would the tax authorities in other countries.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The IRS doesnt have enough agents money. Not only that these companies lobby hard to maintain their tax dodging by contributing to campaigns. Soo..one hand washes the other and the midstate of "leave business alone" helps make sure they keep dodging...

 

[BillyV]

The IRS doesnt have enough agents money. Not only that these companies lobby hard to maintain their tax dodging by contributing to campaigns. Soo..one hand washes the other and the midstate of "leave business alone" helps make sure they keep dodging...

That's complete baloney. The IRS has agents staffed full time in the corporate offices of most large US multinationals that audit their books year-round; they keep 35 agents full-time just at the ExxonMobil headquarters in Houston. No, they know where the money is and they keep their eyes on them at all times; if they want to play transfer pricing games, they better have them fully documented with explanations of why they are within accepted boundaries. Lobbying may help them get laws passed, but the IRS interprets and enforces them without much political interference.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I get it. You only want to be taxed for things that you use. Dont drive down that street, you shouldnt be taxed for it. Dont go to the library, you shouldnt be taxed for it...Dont need the fire dept, you shouldnt be taxed for it...

That works...until you do need the fire dept, that road or that library...rather short sighted too. Look up the definition of Community or Society...You're free to not engage in either but caves to live in are pretty hard to find

What government services would you consider essential? Which would you prefer to see cut?

==================
START HERE~~

a Committee report released today revealed waste-cleanup recommendations from non-partisan Inspector Generals
working across the federal government, which would save taxpayers $67 billion per year, have not been implemented.
Backlogs of unimplemented recommendations have grown to 16,906.
“President Obama should listen to the recommendations of his Administration’s own Inspector Generals and work with Congress
to implement common sense spending cuts that target wasteful and poorly performing programs instead of settling for the furloughs
and service disruptions happening under the sequester.”
Education and Transportation: We Have No Idea How Much Money We Spend on Conferences - Katie Pavlich

And specifically HERE!!!

- $2.6 million to make sure prostitutes in China drink less on the job.

- $1.44 million in federal funds estimating the size of the population and examining the “social milieu” of male prostitutes in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.

- Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties

- Studying pig poop. The Environmental Protection Agency awarded a $141,450 grant under the Clean Air Act to fund a Chinese study on swine manure!

- a $1.2 million grant to the United Nations for clean fuel promotion.

- Conferences for government employees. In 2008 and 2009 alone, the Department of Justice spent $121 million to host or participate in 1,832 conferences.

_ The US Department of Agriculture has sparked outcry by paying $100,000 a year to a speaker who used compulsory diversity training to teach employees that
“the Pilgrims were illegal aliens” and that “minorities” should be called “emerging majorities”.

- U.S. government has spent $1.5 million to actually preserve some left during the hostile Indian occupation of California’s Alcatraz Island more than four decades go.
While the State Department saved money on security in Libya, it somehow managed to find $5.6 million in 2011 to support “pressing cultural preservation needs” in
dozens of foreign countries. Here are some of the dire projects funded by U.S. tax dollars that perhaps could be better spent on securing U.S. embassies in hostile
Arab countries.
- Uncle Sam doled out
$750,000 to restore a 16th-century tomb complex in India,
$700,000 to conserve ruins in Tanzania,
$600,000 for the “temple of the winged lions” in Jordan and
$450,000 for the conservation of a 10th century temple in Cambodia. Those were just the big ticket projects.
Hundreds of thousands more went to smaller causes throughout the world.

I mean do you REALLY think spending $2.6 million IN CHINA studying drinking habits of Chinese prostitutes is essential??

See this is where you are losing the majority of Americans who NOW understand asking for more money is NOT the solution when the majority of Americans
payroll taxes for SS and Medicare are being used to pay for things like $750,000 restoration of an Indian tomb complex!

You see this waste, I see this waste...lots of other people see this waste. Why do you think our elected representatives are so blind to bullshit crap spending like this? I'd like to see spending start at home and pull foreign funding for every nation that hates out guts. Hell, most of the countries we pump cash into would be killing each other, whether they had our money, or not.

 

[Avatar4321]

How about we spend less than we take in? Crazy idea

 

[gallantwarrior]

How about we spend less than we take in? Crazy idea

I don't know, that would require government officials, particularly Congress, do their job and come up with a balanced budget.

 

[Avatar4321]

How about we spend less than we take in? Crazy idea

I don't know, that would require government officials, particularly Congress, do their job and come up with a balanced budget.

Well, until they do their job, let's suspend their pay.

 

[gallantwarrior]

How about we spend less than we take in? Crazy idea

I don't know, that would require government officials, particularly Congress, do their job and come up with a balanced budget.

Well, until they do their job, let's suspend their pay.

Absolutely. No workee-no payee. I'm all for that. They've rigged it so they actually have to vote DOWN a pay raise. Go figure. The rest of the federal government employees seem to be dealing with furloughs....