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[Shusha]

The Accords never worked, and were later disavowed by the two sides.

Well, yes and no. Both sides still operate within the legal framework of Areas A, B and C. It seems likely both will continue to operate within that framework, unless a new legal arrangement is made.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Well, yes and no. Both sides still operate within the legal framework of Areas A, B and C. It seems likely both will continue to operate within that framework, unless a new legal arrangement is made.

Much more than that. Without the accords, there would be no legal basis for the PA to exist and without the accords, Israel would not be required to collect taxes for the PA, and without that money, the PA would collapse within a few weeks.

Still the purpose of the accords was to establish peace, after the first intifada, and to agree on a basis for a Palestinian state, and it failed completely on both issues. Some people say the PA should be preserved because without it there would be chaos in the West Bank, but the PA is not able to exercise any kind of authority outside of Ramallah so it is not clear how much worse it might get if the PA were dissolved. In fact, in the latest poll of Palestinian opinion, 60% of the Palestinians think it should be dissolved and close to 90% want Abbas to resign.

The fact is that since 1947, the Palestinians have rejected all attempts to establish a Palestinian state next to Israel, so perhaps the quest to establish a Palestinian state iis actually an obstacle to peace rather than a path to peace.

 

[Shusha]

Much more than that. Without the accords, there would be no legal basis for the PA to exist and without the accords, Israel would not be required to collect taxes for the PA, and without that money, the PA would collapse within a few weeks.

Still the purpose of the accords was to establish peace, after the first intifada, and to agree on a basis for a Palestinian state, and it failed completely on both issues. Some people say the PA should be preserved because without it there would be chaos in the West Bank, but the PA is not able to exercise any kind of authority outside of Ramallah so it is not clear how much worse it might get if the PA were dissolved. In fact, in the latest poll of Palestinian opinion, 60% of the Palestinians think it should be dissolved and close to 90% want Abbas to resign.

The fact is that since 1947, the Palestinians have rejected all attempts to establish a Palestinian state next to Israel, so perhaps the quest to establish a Palestinian state iis actually an obstacle to peace rather than a path to peace.

I can't find a single thing to disagree with.

 

[rylah]

Isn't the only moral response to deter the enemy by showing that attacks will lead to a loss of land and a strengthened Israeli presence, rather than political gains for terrorists?

This has implications not only regarding Hamas.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Accords never worked, and were later disavowed by the two sides.

Oslo Was Where Vidkun Quisling Sold Out to Hitler

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Well, yes and no. Both sides still operate within the legal framework of Areas A, B and C. It seems likely both will continue to operate within that framework, unless a new legal arrangement is made.

Never Negotiate Out of Fear; Always Force Your Enemies to Negotiate Out of Fear

 

[rylah]

Israel Cancels Disengagement Law for Northern Samaria​

Israeli lawmakers in the Knesset plenum voted Wednesday to approve cancelation of the Disengagement Law in northern Samaria. The residents of four Israeli towns in the region were expelled from their homes during the 2005 Disengagement from Gaza, along with those living in the Gush Katif region.

Israel Cancels Disengagement Law for Northern Samaria

"The State of Israel today corrected in a state and official manner the injustice and folly of the expulsion from northern Samaria."

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'No Palestinian state west of the Jordan River,' 63 Knesset members say​

That simple declaration approved in February by 99 Knesset members, also included the following: “Peace can only be achieved after we achieve total victory over Hamas and through direct negotiations between the parties without preconditions.”

It was a line that was viewed as tacit approval for Israel to enter into talks for a two-state resolution to the conflict. The declaration was seen at the time as a document that appeased far-right voices within the coalition, but which essentially gave Netanyahu the ability to meet the demand of a Saudi deal requirement that there be a pathway toward Palestinian statehood.

The declaration now sought by the Land of Israel Caucus would clarify that Israel opposed Palestinian statehood, just as Netanyahu might need diplomatically to give a nod in its direction.

The text the caucus has drafted would explain that "Founding a Palestinian state in the heart of the Land of Israel will be an existential threat to the state of Israel and its citizens, perpetuate the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and destabilize the region.

“It will only be a short matter of time until Hamas takes over the Palestinian state and turns it into a base of radical Islamic terror, acting in coordination with the axis led by Iran, in order to wipe out the state of Israel,” the text stressed.

Rewarding Palestinian terrorism​

“Promoting the idea of a Palestinian state at this time will be a prize for terror and only encourage Hamas and its followers, who will view it as a victory stemming from the October 7 2023 massacre, and a precursor for the takeover of the middle east by Jihadist Islam,” the text would state.

In a statement accompanying the letter's publication, its initiators wrote, "The 63 signatories are a majority of the 120-member Knesset, and included prominent members of the opposition, including United Right chairman MK Gideon Sa'ar and National Unity MKs Michael Biton and Pnina Tameno-Shete.

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said that with an eye toward preventing Palestinian statehood, he convened the Higher Planning Council for Judea and Samaria, which in the last two days advanced and approved plans for 5,300 new homes. This included the authorization of the three outposts as neighborhoods of existing settlements.

'No Palestinian state west of the Jordan River,' 63 Knesset members say

The 63 signatories are a majority of the 120-member Knesset and include prominent opposition members. Plans advanced for 5,300 new West Bank settler homes.

www.jpost.com

 

[rylah]

 

[rylah]

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[surada]

The name 'Novah' is a popular suggestion.

I personally, like the name 'Oz,
which, a word for courage
and valor in Hebrew

The Gazans aren't all dead yet.

 

[surada]

Obama sounds like he's been snorting too much coke.

The money belonged to Iran.

They were on their way to returning to the international community when Trump wrecked it for spite.

 

[rylah]

The Gazans aren't all dead yet.

Far from it, do you actually talk to them?

Exiled Gazan peace activist exposes Hamas's cruel attack on humanity

"I witnessed multiple Hamas crimes in Gaza, but what occurred on October 7th was a cruel attack on humanity," says Hamza.

www.jpost.com

 

[rylah]

The US paid 8000 Jewish settlers 250,000 to 400,000 dollars to leave Gaza.

Nope, even your source says it was the Israeli govt and private donors.

Do you know Fatima, that compulsive lying is a mental disorder?

But then again lies caused these Arabs to flee in 1948.

 

[mudwhistle]

The money belonged to Iran.

They were on their way to returning to the international community when Trump wrecked it for spite.

That story about the money belonging to Iran is made up.

We didn't owe them jack squat because they were guilty of committing international crimes against our embassy and contributing to the deaths of over 4000 Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.

All Biden and Obama did was commit treason by giving aid to our enemies.

 

[rylah]

Impressive Success for 'Victory = Sovereignty' Conference​

Under the title Victory = Sovereignty, the 6th Youth Sovereignty Conference was held in Gush Etzion. The next generation of leadership addressed the meaning of victory, sovereignty, and the spirit of the people.

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The sixth Sovereignty Youth Conference was held at the Oz VeGaon reserve in Gush Etzion, with the participation of approximately 200 youths from all over the country. The conference, which took place under the title Victory = Sovereignty, opened with a remembrance ceremony for those who fell in recent days in the campaign in the south and the heroism of the soldiers and their families.

The entire event was organized and opened by Yehudit Katsover and Nadia Matar, heads of the Sovereignty Movement, with greetings and with the meaning of the term sovereignty for a people seeking to rule their land, an insight that began with Ben-Gurion's political philosophy. He did not suffice with setting the last furrow of the plow but demanded real political action.

“It is incumbent upon the right to take a step up to political action,” Katsover declared and noted in her remarks the role of the youth, the next generation of Israel's leadership, who have the power to influence political action already today.

'Oded Harush, a journalist and researcher at “Kan 11" news channel, who was the first speaker at the conference, spoke of the importance of the spirit of the people as a factor that leads to victory. This is based on his personal experience as a combat soldier. He drew a comparison between the War of Independence, in which the people of Israel possessed inferior technology, with no air force, with few soldiers that included children, an army that had at its disposal a single stolen tank against five Arab armies which it defeated and even increased the territory of the State of Israel, and the Second Lebanon War in which the IDF, the mighty army with cutting-edge technology, faced 8,000 Hezbollah men, terrorists in flip-flops, as he characterized them, and were unable to prevail. The source of this disparity is the spirit.

Harush mentioned in his remarks the Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran conference that took place three months before the October 7th massacre, during which the internal dispute in Israel was identified as an opportunity to strike against Israel. “The enemy looks at the unity among us and reads us,” Harush declares, and notes that in notebooks found in Khan Yunis, documentation of Hamas monitoring the internal disintegration in the State of Israel was found.

The next speaker at the conference was Middle East researcher and Israel Security Prize winner Eliyahu Yosian, who opened with the story of his childhood and youth in Iran under the revolutionary regime. He also recalled the words of Iran's spiritual leader who recently stated that “Israelis don't need an enemy. Their values are their main enemy,” referring to Western values which, according to Yosian, are causing Israel to fall apart from within. “Westernization or Hellenization is the secular liberal philosophy with no Jewish nationalism, with no understanding why we are here and why we want to remain here.”

To emphasize the lack of understanding of Israel's political and military leadership of the profound emotions that drive radical Islam and movements like Hamas, Yosian presented a clip from an interview in which Naftali Bennett spoke about his conduct vis-à-vis the Gaza Strip and related that his decision was to bypass Hamas and reach the Gazans through the economy. This position is based, says Yosian, on a basic misunderstanding as the reality is “not that Hamas controls Gaza but that the Gazans think Hamas.”

“We left Gaza and sent the Gazans to the polls and they chose Hamas because they believe in Hamas. They threw Fatah members off the roofs,” he said. He mentioned surveys that indicate overwhelming support in the Gaza public for Hamas and the sweeping support of 75 percent for Hamas’s acts of massacre in Israel, “meaning that it is not Hamas that controls the Gazans, but that they believe in Hamas.”

Yosian recommends to the Israeli leadership and public that they read the Hamas and Fatah charters and take them seriously, including the aspiration for the elimination and destruction of Israel that appears in them. “Anyone who believes that it is possible to transfer Gaza's establishments to someone else is mistaken, because they want our destruction and they say it openly and take action to achieve it at every available opportunity.”

The path to victory, Yosian explained and detailed, passes through taking control of land, Judaizing the land in a demographic impetus, and applying sovereignty in Area C and the northern Gaza Strip as a first step.

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Later in the conference, a panel was held with the participation of two bereaved brothers, Yosef Yachman, brother of Ephraim HY"D from Neve Daniel who fell in battle in the northern Gaza Strip, and Hadar Rochberger, sister of Captain Shilo Rochberger HY"D from Eli who fell in battle on October 10th. The two talked about their fallen brothers, their special character, their contribution to society, striving to do good, and on the other hand about the special connection with the fallen brothers, the difficult feelings, and what the fallen brothers left between them as a legacy, the aspiration for unity accompanied by respect and attention even to those who disagree with them.

Channel 14's military correspondent, Hillel Bitton Rosen, spoke with conference participants about the complex security reality in which Israel finds itself in the midst of a war of survival that has not been experienced since the War of Independence. In his remarks, he reviewed the various sectors, emphasized certain points, and described the reality that the IDF is confronting. At his request, a significant portion of these matters is not intended for public elaboration for obvious reasons.

The last speaker of the conference was Eliyahu Libman, until recently the head of the Kiryat Arba-Hebron Council, and father of Elyakim Shlomo HY"D who was murdered on October 7 and for many weeks was believed to have been abducted by Hamas terrorists.

“We are in a generation in which there is an attempt to obfuscate our connection to the Sovereign of the Universe as the Jewish people and our connection to the Land of Israel. We are in the Land not because of security or because of the Holocaust. We are here because there is a divine promise," said Libman and elaborated on the significance of the contribution of each and everyone wherever they may be according to their skills and abilities to reinforce our hold on the Land of Israel based on a deep faith in the justness of our path and the fact that we are children of the Holy One blessed be He. “This is neither racism nor lording it over others, but responsibility.”

“The divine promise is that the whole entire Land of Israel is ours. Even if we are not currently in every place, our destiny is to implement this promise,” he said and added: “The fallen did not die in vain. They fell in the long campaign for the Land of Israel and from above they are working and wanting to see how we connect to the land, believe in the justness of our path, and realize sovereignty.”

The heads of the Sovereignty Movement, Yehudit Katsover and Nadia Matar, summarize the event with great satisfaction: “It is exciting, refreshing, strengthening and uplifting to see so many determined young people imbued with faith gathering on a day during their summer vacation from all over the country and choosing to engage in promoting the vision of Israeli sovereignty over the entire Land of Israel. We saw the next generation of Israel's leadership at the conference, youth who well understand the gravity of the hour, the meaning of sovereignty, and their role in the chain of Zionist activity. The next link in this chain is strong and determined and with it, so is the future and security of the State of Israel.”

Impressive Success for 'Victory = Sovereignty' Conference

Under the title Victory = Sovereignty, the 6th Youth Sovereignty Conference was held in Gush Etzion. The next generation of leadership addressed the meaning of victory, sovereignty, and the spirit of the people.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Sovereignty conference: Oct. 7 put nail in coffin of two-state solution - JNS.org

“Over the years, there has been this flawed strategy that as long as our enemies were building power, but not using it, it was OK. That was ridiculous,” said Knesset member Dan Illouz of the Likud Party.

www.jns.org

 

[USAF 2023]

Is this after ethnic cleansing?

This is after Free Israel

 

[rylah]

The realization is slowly penetrating the Arab media,

and the pier was eventually only good for the IDF hostage recovery operation.

Biden’s Gaza Pier: Now You See It, Now You Don’t

Stormy seas and security threats have combined to make the project more trouble than it's worth, and frankly, there is no famine in Gaza.

www.jewishpress.com

 

[rylah]

The Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, spoke to the Congress on Wednesday.
His passionate talk made a very strong impression on all those in attendance.

One point, regarding the future of Gaza, was left a little vague.

Here, Rabbi Friedman breaks down the idea and offers an alternative solution, comparing it to President Trump's success in moving the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem - the true and eternal capital of the Land of Israel.

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