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Yes, to the efficiency; no to the "More power used does not necessarily mean more fuel being burned" thing.Electric vehicles don't eliminate pollution; they merely relocate it. And given the toxic materials used to make the batteries, they're more hazardous to the environment than fuel-burning engines.
That's not entirely true. It is true that even in an emission free strictly electric vehicle, you are most likely consuming electric made from fossil fuels. However, the grid does not work as simplistically as that. More power used does not necessarily mean more fuel being burned - It's more of a plateau. Moreover the power plant is far more efficient per U/M than an internal combustion engine that only powers one vehicle.
Generators is what I do for the Air Force. So I know what I'm talking about when I disagree with you.Ever had to rent a commercial generator to provide power to a home or building? If you had you'd see what I mean...
Agreed. Although it's going to take a long time to recoup your investment in gas saved.While a zero-emission vehicle is not really so due to the source of power, you will save money and reduce your carbon footprint if you can stand the rather short running time between charges.
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BASE PRICE: $49,000*
*Price includes $7,500 US Federal tax credit
Yes, Nice cars are expensive and new technologies are expensive at first.
What's your point? You think there aren't comparable IC cars that cost as much? Tesla is not a company that makes affordable vehicles for everyone. They specialize in high-end, high-performance electric vehicles.
Basically, they make electric Ferraris (see: Tesla Roadster)
If the right wing had is way, we would be Afghanistan. They stand in the way of everything. Except wars. They like wars.
I dont know why so many on the right dont like to employ science while making decisions.
They love to just knee jerk decide
Even before the tax credit, $56,500 for a luxury sports car is well within current market norms.
Hell, look up the price of a 'vette, or a loaded camaro or loaded 'stang.
Now that chevy volt? Priced waaaay outside of market norms for a small sedan IMO.
The volt is like designer jeans. You pay for the name, the image.
If the history of everything else is any indication, prices on electric vehicles will come down with innovation and market competition,
Yeah, but I don't know how many they're going to move at that price. While innovative, they're still behind the perception/status symbol curve when compared to the Prius.
Can you source those matters in red please?try and build a damHydro electric.
see how many enviro nuts try and stop you
Don't need to. We had the sense to build dozens of em in Washington State before the wackos became PC. That is why we have about the cheapest electricity in the nation and have had for over 60 years. The only real problem was with salmon spawning and returning to the ocean. Fish ladders and special flous have taken care of that to a large degree.
My 2004 Doge Ram, which is paid for, gets about 18 mpg and I fill it up about 5-6 times a month. It usually takes a bout 20-22 gallons each fill up, that's about 60 bucks. Multiply that by 6, $360 a month, $4,320 a year.AVAILABLE NOW FROM $101,500* OR $1658/MO LEASE** WITH $9,900 DEPOSIT *Includes $7,500 Tax Incentive
That Tesla is $101,500 (Cars.com says 109,000 to 128,500) so with that money I would be able to fill up my truck, at todays' gas prices, for at least 23.5 years. Plus, I can haul and tow almost anything with my truck.Try that with that little Tesla suicide machine.
I think I'll wait for ten years or so for the technology to mature and prices to drop.
Crash-test Ratings, Recalls & Consumer Reviews for the 2010 Tesla Roadster
[youtube]R2b9aW1qE9E[/youtube]
The damage to the environment with the silt and heavy metals clean-up after make hydro more costly than coal by some accountstry and build a dam
see how many enviro nuts try and stop you
New technology means we can produce Hydro Power with out Dams. Smaller free standing Turbines in Rivers, and in Areas to catch tidal forces can do the trick. You no longer need to damn up a river to use Hydro Electric power. Small Free standing turbines are already being put in NYC's East river. They can even be in a cage so no fish get into them.
Which science is that? The science that says the electricity in your wall socket that you plug your electric car into doesn't magically appear there, that it has to be generated somewhere else, with a 50/50 chance that it's derived from burning coal?
At the momment that may be true but alternatives exsist and will continue to be developed.
In the future you willl be able to plug your car into a meter in every parking place instead of a parking meter.
Charge while you park at work and at home.
If every house had solar and wind capability things would be VERY different.
Here is Covered Parking and a Recharger
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The roadster is an expensive toy. It's a proof-of-concept platform. It'll be years before solely-electric vehicles are practical and affordable.My 2004 Doge Ram, which is paid for, gets about 18 mpg and I fill it up about 5-6 times a month. It usually takes a bout 20-22 gallons each fill up, that's about 60 bucks. Multiply that by 6, $360 a month, $4,320 a year.AVAILABLE NOW FROM $101,500* OR $1658/MO LEASE** WITH $9,900 DEPOSIT *Includes $7,500 Tax Incentive
That Tesla is $101,500 (Cars.com says 109,000 to 128,500) so with that money I would be able to fill up my truck, at todays' gas prices, for at least 23.5 years. Plus, I can haul and tow almost anything with my truck.
I think I'll wait for ten years or so for the technology to mature and prices to drop.
Crash-test Ratings, Recalls & Consumer Reviews for the 2010 Tesla Roadster
[youtube]R2b9aW1qE9E[/youtube]
Here is Covered Parking and a Recharger
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How much does that cost? Plus, you will still have to pull power from the grid during bad weather.
Not to mention you still have a car that is useless to most of the Population because of its limited range, and utility.
I recently got an estimate to put Solar panels on my roof. Going off that I would bet that Car port charger there cost about 10 to 12 GRAND. To put panels on just one side of my roof, and install everything else you need to make it work. 16,560 Bucks.
Needless to say I am currently still with out Solar power.
101,000 dollars and as stated before a well maintined vehicle with an ICE pollutes less. Oh yeah that price tag puts it out of reach of 99% of the population of the US. Power to the PEOPLE!
Riiiiight!
So's a Ferrari.
As I stated earlier, the Tesla vehicles seem to be down the line comparable to high end luxury sports cars. Price, range, luxury....well, the Tesla's DO outperform when it comes to acceleration though.
Yes, to the efficiency; no to the "More power used does not necessarily mean more fuel being burned" thing.Electric vehicles don't eliminate pollution; they merely relocate it. And given the toxic materials used to make the batteries, they're more hazardous to the environment than fuel-burning engines.
That's not entirely true. It is true that even in an emission free strictly electric vehicle, you are most likely consuming electric made from fossil fuels. However, the grid does not work as simplistically as that. More power used does not necessarily mean more fuel being burned - It's more of a plateau. Moreover the power plant is far more efficient per U/M than an internal combustion engine that only powers one vehicle.
Generators is what I do for the Air Force. So I know what I'm talking about when I disagree with you.Ever had to rent a commercial generator to provide power to a home or building? If you had you'd see what I mean...
The volt is like designer jeans. You pay for the name, the image.
If the history of everything else is any indication, prices on electric vehicles will come down with innovation and market competition,
Yeah, but I don't know how many they're going to move at that price. While innovative, they're still behind the perception/status symbol curve when compared to the Prius.
They're idiots. What do you want me to say?
They wise up or they lose to a competitor with more smarts. That's how the market works.
Yes, to the efficiency; no to the "More power used does not necessarily mean more fuel being burned" thing.Electric vehicles don't eliminate pollution; they merely relocate it. And given the toxic materials used to make the batteries, they're more hazardous to the environment than fuel-burning engines.
That's not entirely true. It is true that even in an emission free strictly electric vehicle, you are most likely consuming electric made from fossil fuels. However, the grid does not work as simplistically as that. More power used does not necessarily mean more fuel being burned - It's more of a plateau. Moreover the power plant is far more efficient per U/M than an internal combustion engine that only powers one vehicle.
Generators is what I do for the Air Force. So I know what I'm talking about when I disagree with you.Ever had to rent a commercial generator to provide power to a home or building? If you had you'd see what I mean...
Agreed. Although it's going to take a long time to recoup your investment in gas saved.While a zero-emission vehicle is not really so due to the source of power, you will save money and reduce your carbon footprint if you can stand the rather short running time between charges.
What's to disagree with? I rented one to power a 100-amp box some years ago when we had a fire at work... Damn thing waxed $60 worth of diesel a day... And in fact I kept overloading it and having to hit the breaker on the genny. And I damn sure never got no $1800 electric bill over there.Generators is what I do for the Air Force. So I know what I'm talking about when I disagree with you.
Why do conservatives hate America? There were no negative threads when Toyota or Nissan came out with electric? The dislike conservatives show toward America's work force, technological accomplishments, and government is bewildering. They wave flags as but criticize the place they live in and off. Reagan's firing of America workers is the model for today. How odd.
Join me, please.
I was riding home today after a middle distance bicycle ride, tired and a bit out of shape when I started counting cars, America - foreign, American - foreign. It occurred to me if only a small percentage of these people, the people who can afford more than a used clunker, bought American there would be no problems in one of our largest industries today. And lots of people would have a job and lots of businesses would be OK. May even help those incompetent bankers.
So I started giving thumbs up for American and thumbs down for foreign. Hard to distinguish which foreign car is made here, but no need I am a bit of a hard core American when it comes to cars. My '55' Chevy was my first love.
I'm sure the people thought me spastic, as my left hand thumb pointed up, then down, then up as cars drove by. Did anyone figure it out I wondered. Who is this nut! So if the whiners who lost the election can out of the blue, protest taxes, can we not protest something that has been going on for years due to cheaper prices, support structures, and no pensions, but still is having an insidious affect on our industrial base?
So if you own foreign go to you nearest mirror and give yourself a thumbs down and if you own American and thus support all of us and America, a thumbs up is due and thank you. Take to the streets and express yourself. The bankers thank you too.
Oh, and my bicycle is made in America too.
Why do conservatives hate America? There were no negative threads when Toyota or Nissan came out with electric? The dislike conservatives show toward America's work force, technological accomplishments, and government is bewildering. They wave flags as but criticize the place they live in and off. Reagan's firing of America workers is the model for today. How odd.
Join me, please.
I was riding home today after a middle distance bicycle ride, tired and a bit out of shape when I started counting cars, America - foreign, American - foreign. It occurred to me if only a small percentage of these people, the people who can afford more than a used clunker, bought American there would be no problems in one of our largest industries today. And lots of people would have a job and lots of businesses would be OK. May even help those incompetent bankers.
So I started giving thumbs up for American and thumbs down for foreign. Hard to distinguish which foreign car is made here, but no need I am a bit of a hard core American when it comes to cars. My '55' Chevy was my first love.
I'm sure the people thought me spastic, as my left hand thumb pointed up, then down, then up as cars drove by. Did anyone figure it out I wondered. Who is this nut! So if the whiners who lost the election can out of the blue, protest taxes, can we not protest something that has been going on for years due to cheaper prices, support structures, and no pensions, but still is having an insidious affect on our industrial base?
So if you own foreign go to you nearest mirror and give yourself a thumbs down and if you own American and thus support all of us and America, a thumbs up is due and thank you. Take to the streets and express yourself. The bankers thank you too.
Oh, and my bicycle is made in America too.
