Internment of Japanese-Americans During World War II

[namvet]

check out the Niihau Incident that started the morning of the attack. might shed some light on the internment of the Japs

 

[Unkotare]

FYI, the word is "Japanese," for those of you who have trouble spelling.

 

[Unkotare]

check out the Niihau ...

Check out Operation Pastorius, then think about fdr's priorities.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Anyone ever consider that the reason we locked up the Japanese and didn't lock up the Germans or the Italians is because the Germans and Italians looked like us, but the Japanese had different facial features?

You fear most what you understand least.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Well, since the 'adult' is afraid to answer questions, I'll reiterate. The victims of the scumbag fdr's concentration camps were innocent of any crime or cause for the theft of their homes and property, the abrogation of their constitutional and human rights, and the scumbag fdr damn well knew that they presented no threat to the nation. No Japanese American citizen or permanent resident was ever convicted of espionage or sabotage throughout the war. Many brave, loyal Americans even volunteered to fight for America while imprisoned in fdr's concentration camps. They made up much of the 442nd, the most highly decorated unit in American military history. The best and bravest of our fellow Americans, along with their families - including the elderly, women, and young children - lived in concentration camps under threat of death for no reason other than economic opportunism and the scumbag fdr's vile and un-American racism.


It is tragic that some people are so deeply ignorant of logic that it is necessary to say this, but:

Japanese American citizens and permanent residents on the West Coast did not participate in nor were responsible for the atrocities committed by the Japanese Imperial Army during the war. Anyone trying to draw a link of culpability based solely on shared ethnicity are as vile and morally bankrupt as fdr himself was.

They deserved it

Locking them up kept us safe.......History does not lie
NO attacks after they were locked up

Ok, this is really necessary...how disappointing...

Someone who sort of, in any superficial way looks something like you, committed a crime recently. I hereby declare that you therefore are going to become a serial killer in the near future. It doesn't matter that you have never killed anyone and that I have no evidence you are going to. You are guilty before the fact anyway. The only way to protect society from a serial killer like you is to throw you into the deepest, darkest hole we can find. If you try to climb out of the hole, you will be shot and killed. After you have been locked in this deep, dark hole for a few years it will PROVE not only that you would have become a serial killer as predicted, but the effectiveness and justification for your imprisonment. According to your repeated comments on this thread, you cannot possibly object to this plan of action. RIGHT?

You deserve it.

Before Japanese internment.........Pearl Harbor
After internment.........No attacks

FDR kept us safe

What? And yet you refuse to let Trump keep us safe

 

[Wyatt earp]

Anyone ever consider that the reason we locked up the Japanese and didn't lock up the Germans or the Italians is because the Germans and Italians looked like us, but the Japanese had different facial features?

You fear most what you understand least.

So now the left is on with racial profiling?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Anyone ever consider that the reason we locked up the Japanese and didn't lock up the Germans or the Italians is because the Germans and Italians looked like us, but the Japanese had different facial features?

You fear most what you understand least.

So now the left is on with racial profiling?

Never said I supported it. Just said that was probably the reason for locking up the Japanese and not the Italians or the Germans. The Japanese looked too different, and yeah, back then racial profiling was the way they did things.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Anyone ever consider that the reason we locked up the Japanese and didn't lock up the Germans or the Italians is because the Germans and Italians looked like us, but the Japanese had different facial features?

You fear most what you understand least.

So now the left is on with racial profiling?

Never said I supported it. Just said that was probably the reason for locking up the Japanese and not the Italians or the Germans. The Japanese looked too different, and yeah, back then racial profiling was the way they did things.

But you trying to straddle a fence, this entire thread is dedicated to try to prove what FDR was right and what Trump is doing is wrong

 

[ABikerSailor]

Anyone ever consider that the reason we locked up the Japanese and didn't lock up the Germans or the Italians is because the Germans and Italians looked like us, but the Japanese had different facial features?

You fear most what you understand least.

So now the left is on with racial profiling?

Never said I supported it. Just said that was probably the reason for locking up the Japanese and not the Italians or the Germans. The Japanese looked too different, and yeah, back then racial profiling was the way they did things.

But you trying to straddle a fence, this entire thread is dedicated to try to prove what FDR was right and what Trump is doing is wrong

Not trying to straddle anything. Simply stating that I understand why they did it back then. Also, never said that I agreed with it. Not once in this thread.

As far as what Trump is doing? Well, the world has changed significantly since the 1930's and 40's, so the solutions that may have sounded sensible back then don't sound viable today.

Sorry, you can't compare FDR to Trump, nor can you use FDR's solution as a justification for Trump. The two are totally different situations.

 

[Picaro]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

When I was a kid I wondered why we didn't inter all Italians or all Germans during WWII either. Just Japs. It's all subjective. Why did a Muslim group kill more people on American soil than Japan and seemingly get away with it? Questions and even more questions.

We interned German and Italians, in both world wars, and we didn't intern most Japanese in the Mid-west or the east coast. In fact we interned Germans arrested in South America, some 4,000 or so iirc, mostly from Brazil and Argentina.

 

[Picaro]

.... If those people weren't citizens, I wouldn't give a damn.

Then you are missing something very important.

do you ever say anything?

As a matter of fact, a big percentage of them, around 35%-40%, weren't American citizens, and weren't going to become citizens..

So that makes it ok to throw innocent people into concentration camps?

Yes, indeed, and you can't come up with a reason they shouldn't have, except the usual hindsight soapboxing.

that what you think America is about?

Yes, I do indeed think the U.S. has every right to defend itself, especially in wartime. You don't, obviously, you just want to whine about Roosevelt with your conspiratard buddies.

 

[Unkotare]

.... If those people weren't citizens, I wouldn't give a damn.

Then you are missing something very important.

do you ever say anything?

As a matter of fact, a big percentage of them, around 35%-40%, weren't American citizens, and weren't going to become citizens..

So that makes it ok to throw innocent people into concentration camps?

Yes, indeed, and you can't come up with a reason they shouldn't have.....

There are many reasons, starting with the US Constitution. You should read it sometime.

 

[Unkotare]

.... I do indeed think the U.S. has every right to defend itself...

From innocent people - including US citizens - who had committed no crime?

 

[Unkotare]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

When I was a kid I wondered why we didn't inter all Italians or all Germans during WWII either. Just Japs. It's all subjective. Why did a Muslim group kill more people on American soil than Japan and seemingly get away with it? Questions and even more questions.

We interned German and Italians,....

In very small numbers relative to the scumbag fdr's concentration camps for Japanese Americans. This despite the fact that German was and is the largest ethnicity in the US and that German Americans had in fact participated in efforts to commit espionage and sabotage. Hmmmmm.....

 

[Picaro]

While Unkotare whines and snivels, the Peanut Gallery can read a little essay on the Canadian reasons for interment, very similar to our own at the time.

Factors in the decision to intern Japanese-Canadians in WWII

Someone already brought up the Nihau incident, and in the last thread on this in this forum I posted a link to an essay pointing out that the Japanese residents didn't feel like reporting Japanese intelligence officers trying to recruit within their communities to American authorities, so it's obvious they had no loyalties to this country as a group.

 

[Picaro]

Then you are missing something very important.

do you ever say anything?

As a matter of fact, a big percentage of them, around 35%-40%, weren't American citizens, and weren't going to become citizens..

So that makes it ok to throw innocent people into concentration camps?

Yes, indeed, and you can't come up with a reason they shouldn't have.....

There are many reasons, starting with the US Constitution. You should read it sometime.

Read it, can't find a thing in it where it says you know anything.

However, Thomas Jefferson had this to say about you:


Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease.
Thomas Jefferson to William H. Crawford, 1816

 

[Syriusly]

Hawaii is a collection of islands, way out in the middle of nowhere, and heavily militarized already during WW II, a natural isolation camp, so claiming 'they weren't interned' is just ridiculously silly. Stay away from dope, people; it destroys your brain.

Hawaii was a collection of islands with a huge population of Americans of Japanese descent that was actually attacked by Japan- it was on the front lines in 1942.

And the military authorities in Hawaii didn't feel a need to imprison any except those who were actually identified as being threats.

Clearly in your case, dope is just a word to describe your idiocy and ignorance.

 

[Syriusly]

1942 American pecking order

1. White Christian males(not catholic)
2. White immigrants
3. White women
4. Catholics
5. Mexicans
6 Jews
7 Japs and Orientals
8. Indians
9. Negroes
100. Homosexuals

Typical leftist, always rating mentally ill homosexual fetishists far higher than they deserve.

Typical Conservative- obsessed with homosexuality and sexual fetishes.

 

[Syriusly]

so it's obvious they had no loyalties to this country as a group.

And that is why thousands volunteered for combat duty defending the country that imprisoned them and their families.

"no loyalties".

Sad- even Ronald Reagan realized the travesty that was the Japanese internment.

 

[Unkotare]

1942 American pecking order

1. White Christian males(not catholic)
2. White immigrants
3. White women
4. Catholics
5. Mexicans
6 Jews
7 Japs and Orientals
8. Indians
9. Negroes
100. Homosexuals

Typical leftist, always rating mentally ill homosexual fetishists far higher than they deserve.

Typical Conservative- obsessed with homosexuality and sexual fetishes.

Don't claim he represents conservatives. We don't want him.