Iranian Home-Coming?

[Camp]

Let's extend today's lesson into another area in which we find you Liberals...'challenged'...
History.

We can find numerous occasions in which Liberals/Progressives have either worked against the interests of the nation, or been oblivious to what the interests of America are.


Taking policy advice from individuals with ties to an enemy nation is certainly one.


Another glaring example is Franklin Roosevelt's embrace of foreign agents in his administration.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers.

In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could.

The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.”

As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. (Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator, p. 60)

No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss. Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia)

And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.

You are lying again about the Venona Soviet cables removing doubt about Hiss. We have gone over this before. You just don't want to admit the controversy and disputes about Hiss exist because you need the accusation to be true to make so many of your assertions make any sense. Venona cable #1822 mentions a code name ALES and so an assumption was made that it was Alger Hiss. That worked until it was proven that Hiss did not attend the meeting being referenced in the cable. There are several explanations why this code name could have been used, one being that if the cables were ever discovered the code name would lead investigators away from the real spy. More importantly however is the fact that high ranking Russian officials testified than Hiss was not a spy. Add the accusation of the cables being "adjusted" during three different "interpretations", one for the famous Red Scare Hearings and there is plenty of doubt about your Venona cables.

www.algerhiss.com/lowsoviet.html

Reminder: I'm never wrong.


The following is from the CIA analysis of the case of Alger Hiss.


Background:


" In 1948, Whittaker Chambers, a self-confessed former communist and Soviet spy, alleged that Alger Hiss, who had been a high-level official in the State Department during the 1930s and 1940s and who had worked closely with Secretary of State Edward Stettinius, had also been a communist and a spy. After a dramatic series of events and two trials, Hiss was convicted in 1950 of perjury for lying when he denied having passed documents to Chambers in 1938. Hiss served almost four years in a federal prison and for the rest of his life--he died in 1996--denied all of Chambers's charges."

For more than 50 years, intellectuals, journalists, and political figures have bitterly argued over Hiss's guilt or innocence. All the participants have understood that at stake is not only the question of whether Hiss had been the victim of a miscarriage of justice but also fundamental questions about American liberalism,..."


1. "...supporters are claiming vindication of the man at the center of one of the most notorious spy cases in US history. This is a remarkable development, because the case against Hiss has steadily grown more damning and complete as researchers have delved into the files of his lawyers, declassified US intelligence documents, and Soviet-bloc archives.

2. In April 2007, a prominent American historian, Kai Bird, and his Russian collaborator, historian Svetlana Chervonnaya, stepped forward at a conference to claim that the central piece of evidence against Hiss--an intercepted cable in the VENONA series, No. 1822, naming a Soviet asset, ALES--did not refer to Hiss, as the FBI and NSA had judged, but someone else.... however, the Bird-Chervonnaya assertion is built on thin reeds, suppositions, and unsupportable "ifs then thats."

3. The debate ought to have ended after the publication of Allen Weinstein's definitive history of the case, Perjury in 1978, and with the release in the mid-1990s of the VENONA cables in the United States and archival materials in the former East Bloc.As Thomas Powers, one of the most astute observers of US intelligence affairs, wrote in 2000, the "evidence following the publication of VENONA...is simply overwhelming." By then all but a few determined Hiss supporters concluded that Hiss had been a spy. (Thomas Powers, "The Plot Thickens," New York Review of Books, 11 May 2000,)

4. Discussions of the Hiss case since the late 1990s have focused on VENONA 1822, the message from the NKGB residency in Washington to Moscow on 30 March 1945 that named ... in clear language, lays out four identifying characteristics of ALES:

• He had worked for the GRU (Neighbors) since 1935.
• He led a small group of spies that included his relatives.
• He passed military information and had been at the Yalta Conference (4-11 February 1945).
• Finally, he had gone to Moscow after the conference.

a. .... the cable makes for an easily understood case against Hiss, who appears to fit all the criteria. As a result, public debate has tended to overlook the mountain of other evidence and treat the cable as if it were the only evidence in the case. Hiss's defenders have encouraged this perception and have made determined efforts to break the link between ALES and Hiss.

The Mystery of ALES Central Intelligence Agency

The CIA link, the one you posted is a long read, but it confirms what I posted and agrees the the case remains controversial. The most interesting part I found to be the final paragraph, the conclusion as to why it is important to accept Hiss as being guilty or not guilty to the intelligence community and the flagrant admission that the truth is not the priority.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm trying to help you to stop embarrassing yourself

I just whipped all of you Lock-Step Liberals......

....sure seems more like I embarrassed you dopes.


True?

You are pathetic. Are you so lacking in self esteem that you come here to find it? So, so sad. You should get a dog. They don't care that you are a complete and utter moron.

She's Korean. I wouldn't trust her around a dog.

Another racist liberal heard from.

You're just defending her because you like her frequent scat references.

I'm not defending anyone (as if anyone needs defending from losers like the liberals humiliating themselves on this thread), I'm pointing out what a piece of shit YOU are, racist scum.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's extend today's lesson into another area in which we find you Liberals...'challenged'...
History.

We can find numerous occasions in which Liberals/Progressives have either worked against the interests of the nation, or been oblivious to what the interests of America are.


Taking policy advice from individuals with ties to an enemy nation is certainly one.


Another glaring example is Franklin Roosevelt's embrace of foreign agents in his administration.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers.

In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could.

The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.”

As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. (Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator, p. 60)

No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss. Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia)

And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.

You are lying again about the Venona Soviet cables removing doubt about Hiss. We have gone over this before. You just don't want to admit the controversy and disputes about Hiss exist because you need the accusation to be true to make so many of your assertions make any sense. Venona cable #1822 mentions a code name ALES and so an assumption was made that it was Alger Hiss. That worked until it was proven that Hiss did not attend the meeting being referenced in the cable. There are several explanations why this code name could have been used, one being that if the cables were ever discovered the code name would lead investigators away from the real spy. More importantly however is the fact that high ranking Russian officials testified than Hiss was not a spy. Add the accusation of the cables being "adjusted" during three different "interpretations", one for the famous Red Scare Hearings and there is plenty of doubt about your Venona cables.

www.algerhiss.com/lowsoviet.html

Reminder: I'm never wrong.


The following is from the CIA analysis of the case of Alger Hiss.


Background:


" In 1948, Whittaker Chambers, a self-confessed former communist and Soviet spy, alleged that Alger Hiss, who had been a high-level official in the State Department during the 1930s and 1940s and who had worked closely with Secretary of State Edward Stettinius, had also been a communist and a spy. After a dramatic series of events and two trials, Hiss was convicted in 1950 of perjury for lying when he denied having passed documents to Chambers in 1938. Hiss served almost four years in a federal prison and for the rest of his life--he died in 1996--denied all of Chambers's charges."

For more than 50 years, intellectuals, journalists, and political figures have bitterly argued over Hiss's guilt or innocence. All the participants have understood that at stake is not only the question of whether Hiss had been the victim of a miscarriage of justice but also fundamental questions about American liberalism,..."


1. "...supporters are claiming vindication of the man at the center of one of the most notorious spy cases in US history. This is a remarkable development, because the case against Hiss has steadily grown more damning and complete as researchers have delved into the files of his lawyers, declassified US intelligence documents, and Soviet-bloc archives.

2. In April 2007, a prominent American historian, Kai Bird, and his Russian collaborator, historian Svetlana Chervonnaya, stepped forward at a conference to claim that the central piece of evidence against Hiss--an intercepted cable in the VENONA series, No. 1822, naming a Soviet asset, ALES--did not refer to Hiss, as the FBI and NSA had judged, but someone else.... however, the Bird-Chervonnaya assertion is built on thin reeds, suppositions, and unsupportable "ifs then thats."

3. The debate ought to have ended after the publication of Allen Weinstein's definitive history of the case, Perjury in 1978, and with the release in the mid-1990s of the VENONA cables in the United States and archival materials in the former East Bloc.As Thomas Powers, one of the most astute observers of US intelligence affairs, wrote in 2000, the "evidence following the publication of VENONA...is simply overwhelming." By then all but a few determined Hiss supporters concluded that Hiss had been a spy. (Thomas Powers, "The Plot Thickens," New York Review of Books, 11 May 2000,)

4. Discussions of the Hiss case since the late 1990s have focused on VENONA 1822, the message from the NKGB residency in Washington to Moscow on 30 March 1945 that named ... in clear language, lays out four identifying characteristics of ALES:

• He had worked for the GRU (Neighbors) since 1935.
• He led a small group of spies that included his relatives.
• He passed military information and had been at the Yalta Conference (4-11 February 1945).
• Finally, he had gone to Moscow after the conference.

a. .... the cable makes for an easily understood case against Hiss, who appears to fit all the criteria. As a result, public debate has tended to overlook the mountain of other evidence and treat the cable as if it were the only evidence in the case. Hiss's defenders have encouraged this perception and have made determined efforts to break the link between ALES and Hiss.

The Mystery of ALES Central Intelligence Agency

The CIA link, the one you posted is a long read, but it confirms what I posted and agrees the the case remains controversial. The most interesting part I found to be the final paragraph, the conclusion as to why it is important to accept Hiss as being guilty or not guilty to the intelligence community and the flagrant admission that the truth is not the priority.

John Lowenthal, your link, like you, was a long time leftist, and he was a member of Alger Hiss' defense team.

But, what the heck...so was Franklin Roosevelt.


Leftist is synonymous with anti-American.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I just whipped all of you Lock-Step Liberals......

....sure seems more like I embarrassed you dopes.


True?

You are pathetic. Are you so lacking in self esteem that you come here to find it? So, so sad. You should get a dog. They don't care that you are a complete and utter moron.

She's Korean. I wouldn't trust her around a dog.

Another racist liberal heard from.

You're just defending her because you like her frequent scat references.

I'm not defending anyone (as if anyone needs defending from losers like the liberals humiliating themselves on this thread), I'm pointing out what a piece of shit YOU are, racist scum.

You're far too kind to him.

 

[paddymurphy]

I just whipped all of you Lock-Step Liberals......

....sure seems more like I embarrassed you dopes.


True?

You are pathetic. Are you so lacking in self esteem that you come here to find it? So, so sad. You should get a dog. They don't care that you are a complete and utter moron.

She's Korean. I wouldn't trust her around a dog.

It's a compliment to me how quickly you Liberals give up substantive posts in favor of what you imagine are insults.

I do so much a better job in both areas......see what I mean about my superiority to you?

You have yet to post anything substantive. You told us that Valerie Jarret was born in Iran 60 years ago. You did not tell us that she is not Iranian and, in fact, was born to American Citizens living there 22 years before the Mullahs came to power. You have not explained why her five years there, from birth to 5, would in any way make her favorably disposed to the current Iranian regime. You see, intelligent people, when making an argument, set forth the facts and then explain, logically, how those facts support their ultimate conclusion. Your ultimate conclusion is that Jarret favors Iran. You have not explained why her birth there makes that more likely. You cannot. You do not have the ability to connect the fact of her birth to your conclusion. Even if you were not a moron, you could not make that connection because it is not there. One does not lead to the other. As for Kerry, again, he has no relatives in Iran. His son-in-law might, but you have offered not proof of that. The daily caller assumed there were relatives there, but offered no proof. You might be able to work for them since that is your pattern.

Has your A.D.D.been diagnosed?


"Since its inception, the FBI has vetted U.S. government officials involved in national security issues, and it generally won’t grant clearances to individuals who are married to nationals of an enemy nation or have family members living in that country, for fear of divided loyalties or, more simply, blackmail."


I get it!

You're trying to prove you're a dunce!

Unnecessary.

"...generally won’t grant clearances to individuals who are married to nationals of an enemy nation or have family members living in that country."



Foreign national: any person who is not a citizen or permanent resident alien of the US
Foreign national Define Foreign national at Dictionary.com

Kerry is not married to a national of an enemy nation. His daughter is not married to the national of an enemy nation. His daughter's in laws are not nationals of an enemy nation. Her husband and his parents are AMERICAN CITIZENS. They are not nationals of Iran. Do you understand that?

Kerry does not have family members living in Iran. So, tell us, again, dumbass, how that sentence you found somewhere has any application to John Kerry?

 

[paddymurphy]

Let's extend today's lesson into another area in which we find you Liberals...'challenged'...
History.

We can find numerous occasions in which Liberals/Progressives have either worked against the interests of the nation, or been oblivious to what the interests of America are.


Taking policy advice from individuals with ties to an enemy nation is certainly one.


Another glaring example is Franklin Roosevelt's embrace of foreign agents in his administration.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers.

In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could.

The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.”

As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. (Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator, p. 60)

No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss. Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia)

And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.

You are lying again about the Venona Soviet cables removing doubt about Hiss. We have gone over this before. You just don't want to admit the controversy and disputes about Hiss exist because you need the accusation to be true to make so many of your assertions make any sense. Venona cable #1822 mentions a code name ALEHIS and so an assumption was made that it was Alger Hiss. That worked until it was proven that Hiss did not attend the meeting being referenced in the cable. There are several explanations why this code name could have been used, one being that if the cables were ever discovered the code name would lead investigators away from the real spy. More importantly however is the fact that high ranking Russian officials testified than Hiss was not a spy. Add the accusation of the cables being "adjusted" during three different "interpretations", one for the famous Red Scare Hearings and there is plenty of doubt about your Venona cables.

www.algerhiss.com/lowsoviet.html

Reminder: I'm never wrong.


The following is from the CIA analysis of the case of Alger Hiss.


Background:


" In 1948, Whittaker Chambers, a self-confessed former communist and Soviet spy, alleged that Alger Hiss, who had been a high-level official in the State Department during the 1930s and 1940s and who had worked closely with Secretary of State Edward Stettinius, had also been a communist and a spy. After a dramatic series of events and two trials, Hiss was convicted in 1950 of perjury for lying when he denied having passed documents to Chambers in 1938. Hiss served almost four years in a federal prison and for the rest of his life--he died in 1996--denied all of Chambers's charges."

For more than 50 years, intellectuals, journalists, and political figures have bitterly argued over Hiss's guilt or innocence. All the participants have understood that at stake is not only the question of whether Hiss had been the victim of a miscarriage of justice but also fundamental questions about American liberalism,..."


1. "...supporters are claiming vindication of the man at the center of one of the most notorious spy cases in US history. This is a remarkable development, because the case against Hiss has steadily grown more damning and complete as researchers have delved into the files of his lawyers, declassified US intelligence documents, and Soviet-bloc archives.

2. In April 2007, a prominent American historian, Kai Bird, and his Russian collaborator, historian Svetlana Chervonnaya, stepped forward at a conference to claim that the central piece of evidence against Hiss--an intercepted cable in the VENONA series, No. 1822, naming a Soviet asset, ALES--did not refer to Hiss, as the FBI and NSA had judged, but someone else.... however, the Bird-Chervonnaya assertion is built on thin reeds, suppositions, and unsupportable "ifs then thats."

3. The debate ought to have ended after the publication of Allen Weinstein's definitive history of the case, Perjury in 1978, and with the release in the mid-1990s of the VENONA cables in the United States and archival materials in the former East Bloc.As Thomas Powers, one of the most astute observers of US intelligence affairs, wrote in 2000, the "evidence following the publication of VENONA...is simply overwhelming." By then all but a few determined Hiss supporters concluded that Hiss had been a spy. (Thomas Powers, "The Plot Thickens," New York Review of Books, 11 May 2000,)

4. Discussions of the Hiss case since the late 1990s have focused on VENONA 1822, the message from the NKGB residency in Washington to Moscow on 30 March 1945 that named ... in clear language, lays out four identifying characteristics of ALES:

• He had worked for the GRU (Neighbors) since 1935.
• He led a small group of spies that included his relatives.
• He passed military information and had been at the Yalta Conference (4-11 February 1945).
• Finally, he had gone to Moscow after the conference.

a. .... the cable makes for an easily understood case against Hiss, who appears to fit all the criteria. As a result, public debate has tended to overlook the mountain of other evidence and treat the cable as if it were the only evidence in the case. Hiss's defenders have encouraged this perception and have made determined efforts to break the link between ALES and Hiss.

The Mystery of ALES Central Intelligence Agency

Here, let me translate this post; "Squirrel!!!"

 

[paddymurphy]

I just whipped all of you Lock-Step Liberals......

....sure seems more like I embarrassed you dopes.


True?

You are pathetic. Are you so lacking in self esteem that you come here to find it? So, so sad. You should get a dog. They don't care that you are a complete and utter moron.

She's Korean. I wouldn't trust her around a dog.

Another racist liberal heard from.

You're just defending her because you like her frequent scat references.

I'm not defending anyone (as if anyone needs defending from losers like the liberals humiliating themselves on this thread), I'm pointing out what a piece of shit YOU are, racist scum.

How is it humiliating to prove that the OP is wrong? She claims that Valerie Jarret favors Iran because she was born there, without mentioning that she was born there to Americans living there and that she was raised in the US after they returned. She tells a half truth and leaves out that part that makes her conclusion absurd. She cites to an FBI policy regarding security clearances for Americans with relatives who are nationals of an enemy nation and argues that this applies to John Kerry because his daughter married an American of Iranian descent. As I proved, she does not even know the definition of foreign national. Once again, how is it humiliating for me to prove her completely and utterly wrong? You would think it would be humiliating for her to post things that are so easy to disprove or for her to post things that actually prove her wrong.

 

[Camp]

Let's extend today's lesson into another area in which we find you Liberals...'challenged'...
History.

We can find numerous occasions in which Liberals/Progressives have either worked against the interests of the nation, or been oblivious to what the interests of America are.


Taking policy advice from individuals with ties to an enemy nation is certainly one.


Another glaring example is Franklin Roosevelt's embrace of foreign agents in his administration.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers.

In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could.

The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.”

As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. (Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator, p. 60)

No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss. Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia)

And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.

You are lying again about the Venona Soviet cables removing doubt about Hiss. We have gone over this before. You just don't want to admit the controversy and disputes about Hiss exist because you need the accusation to be true to make so many of your assertions make any sense. Venona cable #1822 mentions a code name ALES and so an assumption was made that it was Alger Hiss. That worked until it was proven that Hiss did not attend the meeting being referenced in the cable. There are several explanations why this code name could have been used, one being that if the cables were ever discovered the code name would lead investigators away from the real spy. More importantly however is the fact that high ranking Russian officials testified than Hiss was not a spy. Add the accusation of the cables being "adjusted" during three different "interpretations", one for the famous Red Scare Hearings and there is plenty of doubt about your Venona cables.

www.algerhiss.com/lowsoviet.html

Reminder: I'm never wrong.


The following is from the CIA analysis of the case of Alger Hiss.


Background:


" In 1948, Whittaker Chambers, a self-confessed former communist and Soviet spy, alleged that Alger Hiss, who had been a high-level official in the State Department during the 1930s and 1940s and who had worked closely with Secretary of State Edward Stettinius, had also been a communist and a spy. After a dramatic series of events and two trials, Hiss was convicted in 1950 of perjury for lying when he denied having passed documents to Chambers in 1938. Hiss served almost four years in a federal prison and for the rest of his life--he died in 1996--denied all of Chambers's charges."

For more than 50 years, intellectuals, journalists, and political figures have bitterly argued over Hiss's guilt or innocence. All the participants have understood that at stake is not only the question of whether Hiss had been the victim of a miscarriage of justice but also fundamental questions about American liberalism,..."


1. "...supporters are claiming vindication of the man at the center of one of the most notorious spy cases in US history. This is a remarkable development, because the case against Hiss has steadily grown more damning and complete as researchers have delved into the files of his lawyers, declassified US intelligence documents, and Soviet-bloc archives.

2. In April 2007, a prominent American historian, Kai Bird, and his Russian collaborator, historian Svetlana Chervonnaya, stepped forward at a conference to claim that the central piece of evidence against Hiss--an intercepted cable in the VENONA series, No. 1822, naming a Soviet asset, ALES--did not refer to Hiss, as the FBI and NSA had judged, but someone else.... however, the Bird-Chervonnaya assertion is built on thin reeds, suppositions, and unsupportable "ifs then thats."

3. The debate ought to have ended after the publication of Allen Weinstein's definitive history of the case, Perjury in 1978, and with the release in the mid-1990s of the VENONA cables in the United States and archival materials in the former East Bloc.As Thomas Powers, one of the most astute observers of US intelligence affairs, wrote in 2000, the "evidence following the publication of VENONA...is simply overwhelming." By then all but a few determined Hiss supporters concluded that Hiss had been a spy. (Thomas Powers, "The Plot Thickens," New York Review of Books, 11 May 2000,)

4. Discussions of the Hiss case since the late 1990s have focused on VENONA 1822, the message from the NKGB residency in Washington to Moscow on 30 March 1945 that named ... in clear language, lays out four identifying characteristics of ALES:

• He had worked for the GRU (Neighbors) since 1935.
• He led a small group of spies that included his relatives.
• He passed military information and had been at the Yalta Conference (4-11 February 1945).
• Finally, he had gone to Moscow after the conference.

a. .... the cable makes for an easily understood case against Hiss, who appears to fit all the criteria. As a result, public debate has tended to overlook the mountain of other evidence and treat the cable as if it were the only evidence in the case. Hiss's defenders have encouraged this perception and have made determined efforts to break the link between ALES and Hiss.

The Mystery of ALES Central Intelligence Agency

The CIA link, the one you posted is a long read, but it confirms what I posted and agrees the the case remains controversial. The most interesting part I found to be the final paragraph, the conclusion as to why it is important to accept Hiss as being guilty or not guilty to the intelligence community and the flagrant admission that the truth is not the priority.

John Lowenthal, your link, like you, was a long time leftist, and he was a member of Alger Hiss' defense team.

But, what the heck...so was Franklin Roosevelt.


Leftist is synonymous with anti-American.

Well the CIA most be leftist because the link you provided from them backs up Lowenthal.
So, your defense for propagating this lie you use so often is that the writer is a leftist and so was FDR and therefore everyone, including the CIA and the former Soviet intelligence officers are wrong, but you are more knowledgeable than they are and your conclusion is right.

 

[Unkotare]

You are pathetic. Are you so lacking in self esteem that you come here to find it? So, so sad. You should get a dog. They don't care that you are a complete and utter moron.

She's Korean. I wouldn't trust her around a dog.

Another racist liberal heard from.

You're just defending her because you like her frequent scat references.

I'm not defending anyone (as if anyone needs defending from losers like the liberals humiliating themselves on this thread), I'm pointing out what a piece of shit YOU are, racist scum.

How is it humiliating to prove that the OP is wrong? ....

Get back to me when you've EVER done so.

 

[Synthaholic]

All Iranians think alike now?

lol, ferreting out Iranians for blanket condemnation is quite a bit like the Nazis ferreting out Jews,

wouldn't you say, Mr. Huckabee?

I must admit that Huckabee certainly went up in my estimation this week.

Of course. You value stupidity.

 

[Contumacious]

Most who remain au fait in the political realm are aware of the immense political influence ....


1. "....holds the position of Senior Advisor to the President of the United States. President Obama has said he consults Jarrett on every major decision, and the New Republic's Noam Scheiber reported thus of her influence with the White House:

"Her role since she has been at the White House is one of the broadest and most expansive roles that I think has ever existed in the West Wing," says Anita Dunn, Obama's former communications director. Broader, even, than the role of running the West Wing. This summer, the call to send Attorney General Eric Holder on a risky visit to Ferguson, Missouri, was made by exactly three people: Holder himself, the president, and Jarrett, who were vacationing together on Martha's Vineyard. When I asked Holder if Denis McDonough, the chief of staff, was part of the conversation, he thought for a moment and said, "He was not there."
/snopes.com Valerie Jarrett on Islam


2. And, and this fact, also well known"
"Valerie Jarrett was born as Valerie Bowman on November 14, 1956 to American parents in Shiraz, Iran."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2418



3. But here is a fact hardly known:
"When Dr. Vanessa Bradford Kerry and Dr. Brian Vala Nahed were making plans to marry, she received a sketch of a wedding dress done by her father.

Dr. Kerry’s father, John Kerry, has been a senator from Massachusetts since 1984. He is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.[This was published in 2009] .... — Senator Kerry has enthusiastically served on his daughter’s wedding committee, helping to fill not just his own role, but the one the bride’s mother surely would have played.

...the bridegroom, a son of Nooshin P. Nahed and Dr. Reza M. Nahed of Los Angeles, were married Saturday evening."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/fashion/weddings/11KERRY.html?_r=0


4. "Behrouz (Brian) Vala Nahed is a son of Nooshin P. Nahed and Dr. Reza M. Nahed of Los Angeles.

Kerry’s critics have expressed their concerns over his Iran feelings- visiting Iran and his opposition to military strike and pressures on Iran- that may be related to his relation with an Iranian family, wielding impact on Kerry’s positions on Iran."
Who is Iranian son-in-law of US Secretary of State


a. "Brian's Persian birth name is "Behrooz Vala Nahid" but it is now shortenedand Americanized in the media to "Brian Nahed." There is rarely any mention of Nahed's Persian/Iranian ancestry, and even the official wedding announcement in the October 2009 issue of New York Times carefully avoids any reference to Dr. Nahed (Nahid)'s birthplace (which is uncommon in wedding announcements) and starts his biography from his college years..."
How did Kerry s Iranian son-in-law met Vanessa Kerry - kodoom.com - Kodoom



And, in a related story:

5. "Kerry Denies Seeing Iran Deal's Side Agreements
Secretary of State John Kerry insisted Tuesday the Obama administration has not seen the contents oftwo side agreements to the Iran nuclear deal reached between that country and the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Kerry was pressed on the issue in a hearing before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, where multiple members brought up what some lawmakers have dubbed "secret" side deals to the nuclear accord reached earlier this month between six world powers and Iran. Congress is in the midst of a 60-day period in which it can review the deal, and the role of the IAEA has emerged as a principal point of contention for the pact's opponents."
Kerry Denies Seeing Iran Nuclear Deal s Side Agreements - US News

NICE STORY - BUT IS IT RELEVANT?


SHOW ME BY ARTICLE, SECTION AND CLAUSE THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO WHICH GRANTS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE AUTHORITY TO MEDDLE IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER NATIONS, IE, TO DETERMINE WHETHER A FOREIGN COUNTRY CAN HAVE NUCLEAR ENERGY OR NOT?


SHOW ME BY ARTICLE , SECTION AND CLAUSE WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GRANTED THE AUTHORITY TO PLACE ZIONISTS' DESIRES OVER IRANIANS' OR VICE-VERSA.


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[paddymurphy]

She's Korean. I wouldn't trust her around a dog.

Another racist liberal heard from.

You're just defending her because you like her frequent scat references.

I'm not defending anyone (as if anyone needs defending from losers like the liberals humiliating themselves on this thread), I'm pointing out what a piece of shit YOU are, racist scum.

How is it humiliating to prove that the OP is wrong? ....

Get back to me when you've EVER done so.

I just did. She claimed that Kerry's security clearance was suspect because of an FBI policy that stated that people married to foreign nationals or who had family members in enemy nations should not get clearance. She did not know what a foreign national is. Do you? If you do, you know she was proven wrong.

 

[Unkotare]

All Iranians think alike now?

lol, ferreting out Iranians for blanket condemnation is quite a bit like the Nazis ferreting out Jews,

wouldn't you say, Mr. Huckabee?

I must admit that Huckabee certainly went up in my estimation this week.

Of course. You value stupidity.

Oh, are you begging to be valued now?

 

[paddymurphy]

All Iranians think alike now?

lol, ferreting out Iranians for blanket condemnation is quite a bit like the Nazis ferreting out Jews,

wouldn't you say, Mr. Huckabee?

I must admit that Huckabee certainly went up in my estimation this week.

Of course. You value stupidity.

Oh, are you begging to be valued now?

Why are you carrying her water? She has slithered off somewhere knowing she was proven wrong and you stick around making the same false claims.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All Iranians think alike now?

lol, ferreting out Iranians for blanket condemnation is quite a bit like the Nazis ferreting out Jews,

wouldn't you say, Mr. Huckabee?

I must admit that Huckabee certainly went up in my estimation this week.

Of course. You value stupidity.

Oh, are you begging to be valued now?

Why are you carrying her water? She has slithered off somewhere knowing she was proven wrong and you stick around making the same false claims.

No, you moron....

...you were whipped....what more is there to say?

I have to keep telling you how stupid you are?

 

[PoliticalChic]

All Iranians think alike now?

lol, ferreting out Iranians for blanket condemnation is quite a bit like the Nazis ferreting out Jews,

wouldn't you say, Mr. Huckabee?

I must admit that Huckabee certainly went up in my estimation this week.

Of course. You value stupidity.

I looked it up.

The definition of 'stupid' is having voted for the unmitigated failure, Barack Hussein Obama, even once.

Voted for him twice?
Then, it's one of the following:
Imperfectly grounded in reality...
Psychosis....a break with reality
Hallucinations....seeing or hearing things that aren't there
Delusions.....immutable false ideas

 

[Toro]

Ted Cruz cannot be President!

He was born in Canada.

His father fought with Castro.

His wife worked on Wall Street

How do we know he won't just give Florida to Cuba? Or Canada? Or Goldman Sachs?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ted Cruz cannot be President!

He was born in Canada.

His father fought with Castro.

His wife worked on Wall Street

How do we know he won't just give Florida to Cuba? Or Canada? Or Goldman Sachs?

C'mon back after you've read the 'Help Iran Get A Nuke' Treaty, and the secret 'side deals.'

 

[Toro]

Ted Cruz cannot be President!

He was born in Canada.

His father fought with Castro.

His wife worked on Wall Street

How do we know he won't just give Florida to Cuba? Or Canada? Or Goldman Sachs?

C'mon back after you've read the 'Help Iran Get A Nuke' Treaty, and the secret 'side deals.'

Are you saying we should wait until after he gives Florida away?

I say, stop him now!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ted Cruz cannot be President!

He was born in Canada.

His father fought with Castro.

His wife worked on Wall Street

How do we know he won't just give Florida to Cuba? Or Canada? Or Goldman Sachs?

C'mon back after you've read the 'Help Iran Get A Nuke' Treaty, and the secret 'side deals.'

Are you saying we should wait until after he gives Florida away?

I say, stop him now!

How often are weak sisters like you going to pretend that posts like yours are
a. funny
b. eliminate the need to actually critique the deeply flawed foreign policy of a man who should never have been given the presidency?


I suppose the answer is until the once great nation is no more than smoldering embers.