Is Christmas a Christian (or Catholic) Holiday?

I should have known, you are some kind of Christian fanatic.

I am a fanatic because you speak nonsense?

Good luck with that. You're going to need it in this part of your life and the next.

You seem not to know what's the difference between ideology and knowledge. And do not try to tell me now the Christian religion is an ideology. It is not! We know very well the difference - better to say "the interaction" - between our belief and hope and our knowledge and reality.
 
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I am a fanatic because you speak nonsense?



You seem not to know what's the difference between ideology and knowledge. And do not try to tell me now the Christian religion is an ideology. It is not! We know very well the difference - better to say "the interaction" - between our belief and hope and our knowledge and reality.
No, the Christian religion is a mythology like all religions are. Have a great day. You know nothing of reality if you are blinded by myths.
 
No, the Christian religion is a mythology like all religions are. ...

I don't know what you understand when you use the word "myth". But what you said here about the 25th of December and the Saturnalia festival of the Romans in context with the Christian religion is perhaps nothing else than the atheistic "myth" which you think on your own about when you use the word "myth". Also atheism is "only" a spiritual belief.
 
I don't know what you understand when you use the word "myth". But what you said here about the 25th of December and the Saturnalia festival of the Romans in context with the Christian religion is perhaps nothing else than the atheistic "myth" which you think on your own about when you use the word "myth". Also atheism is "only" a spiritual belief.
I don't care about atheists either, a natural force exists in the universes that most people interpret as a god of one type or another. That's the chagrin of the situation, inherently knowing and improperly labeling the entity. No ill will towards atheists intended, I know several and some are good friends, same with Christians. Just stating facts of my reality here.
 
I don't know what you understand when you use the word "myth". But what you said here about the 25th of December and the Saturnalia festival of the Romans in context with the Christian religion is perhaps nothing else than the atheistic "myth" which you think on your own about when you use the word "myth". Also atheism is "only" a spiritual belief.
I know what actually exists despite the preponderance of " human beings " believing otherwise in this world. Numbers don't matter, the Creator Entity does.
 
Can anybody compile a list of holidays in the Old Testament and then a list of holidays in the New Testament?

If anybody can find 2 holidays in the New Testament then I will give you 25 points.
 
I find this piece interesting and tellworthy, because nowadays many denie the christian roots of Christmas they just equal it with ancient pagan roots, and consumerism. They want to erase the Christ out of Christmas. Many just say "But Christmas is pagan not Christian."

Read Catholic Roots of Christmas


Catholic Roots of Christmas
December 19, 2020
Christmas honors the pivotal day which altered all of history. Christians around the world celebrate Christmas as the birthday of Christ Jesus. On this day, God Incarnate departed the hidden tabernacle of Mary’s womb into the blissful embrace of His mother’s arms. And she, in turn, presented this unblemished child, this Divine Gift, to all the world that we might adore Him as “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

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As with any child’s arrival, there are many preparations to be made before welcoming the new family member; an expecting family gathers bathing items, blankets, and a collection of cozy outfits. Faithful members of the Catholic Christian family prepare for Christ’s coming by observing the season of Advent.

Advent is a time of joyful anticipation in which the faithful prepare their hearts for the most special arrival of the Divine Infant. Formally introduced by the Council of Tours in 567 AD, the Advent season begins four Sundays prior to Christmas Day. This period provides a precursor to the special holy day when the Light of the World shines amidst the darkness, the Sign of Hope dispels all despair.

One Catholic tradition orienting believers toward Christ’s coming is the Nativity Scene. This practice harkens back to Medieval times when in 1223, St. Francis of Assisi directed a live nativity scene as a form of public remembrance honoring Christ’s birth. St. Francis wanted to bring the Gospels to life, assigning parts for Mary, Joseph, the shepherds, and others so that in witnessing this reenactment, all people would learn the extraordinary story of God’s love for mankind. Often the nativity creche remains empty until Christmas Eve as a reminder that the faithful eagerly await the Christ child. And when the Divine Infant arrives, how much greater is the joy during the Christmas vigil when Baby Jesus joins the Holy Family and all humanity!

When the faithful prepare their hearts properly, the blessings of Christmas may be appreciated in full. “We Christians are called to safeguard and spread the joy of waiting,” Pope Francis declared in a Vatican address. Additionally, much as the faithful await Christ’s birth in remembrance of the first Christmas, the Catholic liturgical readings point the faithful toward awaiting Christ’s ultimate return upon Judgement Day.

According to Catholic tradition, the rejoicing of Christ’s coming lasts considerably longer than one great day. Rather, it stretches from the Christmas vigil Mass until the Feast of the Epiphany, sometimes called Three Kings’ Day.

Why did the Church choose to celebrate Christ’s birth on December 25? The most direct answer is that according to the Roman calendar, this day marked the winter solstice. Saint Augustine explained the significance of this day in remembering Christ’s coming, writing, “on the day which is the shortest in our earthly reckoning and from which subsequent days begin to increase in length. He, therefore, who bent low and lifted us up chose the shortest day, yet the one whence light begins to increase.”

The most excellent Catholic tradition of celebrating Christmas as a family is attending Holy Mass together. Even young adults who may have strayed from observing other tenets of their Catholic faith will often return to Mass with their families in order to observe the sacred Feast of the Nativity.

Christmas is a rare time when the Mass readings differ according to the order in which the Mass is offered. There are four distinct Christmas Masses. The Vigil Mass is offered at the start of Christmas Eve. The Mass of the angels is a popular celebration, offered at midnight. The Dawn Mass is called the Mass of the Shepherds; it is offered early morning. Finally, on Christmas Day, the priest offers the Mass of the Divine Word.

The Christmas octave is punctuated with a feast that originally honored Christ’s circumcision. In present times, the Catholic Church commemorates the first day of the year as the Feast of Mary, Mother of God. This holy day respects Mary’s unique human privilege of forming Christ physically and spiritually before releasing Him into the world to fulfill His divine salvific work.

The end of the Christmas season points toward this extraordinary mission for which God entered the world. According to Catholic tradition, the Magi, called the Three Kings, spent 12 days following a star. The brilliant star led them to Bethlehem, where Jesus had just been born. The Wise Men—Melchior, Caspar, and Balthazar—presented three symbolic gifts to the Holy Family for their newborn son. The kings presented to the Divine Child gold to honor His kingship, frankincense to honor His priesthood, and myrrh to honor His humanity.

Many families around the world present gifts to one another either in celebration of Christmas Day or in commemoration of the Three Kings. The faithful fulfill the Christmas spirit when offering their own hearts to the Divine Messiah who humbled Himself to enter the world as a small child.

Article written by Myriah C. Boudreaux for Christian Catholic Media

Myriah C. Boudreaux graduated from Franciscan University of Steubenville with a BA in Psychology. Soon after, she left her native Southern California home to marry a FUS alumnus, start a family, settle in Bayou Country with her Cajun husband, and begin a career homeschooling their ever-growing family. With seven children ranging from ages 21 – 2, her practical understanding of Heavenly Father's patience, love, and mercy is continually expanding.

Lambing is much earlier in Palestine from late December through February 1st.
 
Can anybody compile a list of holidays in the Old Testament and then a list of holidays in the New Testament?

If anybody can find 2 holidays in the New Testament then I will give you 25 points.
The birth of Jesus is the only one that's outstanding. The celebration of his death, which seems superficially inconsistent, is another.
 
The birth of Jesus is the only one that's outstanding. The celebration of his death, which seems superficially inconsistent, is another.

What verse list these as holidays or holy days? The Old Testament gives specific dates for their holy days.
 
I don't know what st Augustine said, but I know about lambing season in Palestine.
You are generally a reasonable person so I will give you this. NAZARENE NOTES – PROCLAIMING THE MESSAGE OF YESHUA THE MESSIAH>A-Lamb-Born-In--Bethlehem Because of the breed of lamb raised in ancient Palestine, lambs were born late-March to Mid-April. Plus there's something about Shepard's in their fields guarding the flocks. In ancient Palestine the sheep were corraled in December to protect them from predators and provide them feed.
 
Which universes? In our universe exist 4 known forces - gravity, electro-magnetism and the strong and weak interaction. But what explains this?
I only know of the two. Those are natural forces / events put in place by the Creator, necessary in a physical universe. They are not sentient beings
 
You are generally a reasonable person so I will give you this. NAZARENE NOTES – PROCLAIMING THE MESSAGE OF YESHUA THE MESSIAH>A-Lamb-Born-In--Bethlehem Because of the breed of lamb raised in ancient Palestine, lambs were born late-March to Mid-April. Plus there's something about Shepard's in their fields guarding the flocks. In ancient Palestine the sheep were corraled in December to protect them from predators and provide them feed.

I think that's a mistake. Lambing in Palestine is when it rains and there's grass.
 
What verse list these as holidays or holy days? The Old Testament gives specific dates for their holy days.
The Old Testament was about the Jews. The new testament was about the chosen figurehead Jesus Christ. If I remember correctly the first Christmas was celebrated Dec 25th. AD 336 in Rome. It's been a while, my memory isn't what it used to be in this life or any others, for that matter.
 
The Old Testament was about the Jews. The new testament was about the chosen figurehead Jesus Christ. If I remember correctly the first Christmas was celebrated Dec 25th. AD 336 in Rome. It's been a while, my memory isn't what it used to be in this life or any others, for that matter.

Greek Orthodox celebrate Christmas about the 9th of January.
 

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