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Cheating, no.
I object to the word "evading" as it connotes something unethical.
I do think any rational person is perfectly justified in paying the minimal taxes he can under the tax code. The fact that it is so byzantine and riddled with loopholes, penalties, and favoritism makes the overall system quite corrupt.
It would be better to lower taxes and enact simplification.
In all cases. Tax expenditures need to be completely banned. Tax rates are as high as they are because of them, and so is our federal debt.if the grey/loopholes are there to take, then I don't see it as cheating....
the loopholes that were put in there, just need to be closed, in many cases.
Tax exemptions, deductions and credits come out of other people's pockets in the form of higher tax rates, so they most certainly are mooching.Keeping what belongs to you is not "mooching," asshole.It is very wrong. People who cheat on their taxes are the real moochers in this country.By evasion, I am referring to:
1) Doing legal maneuvers which are designed only to not pay taxes, such as setting up trusts, moving to Canada, lease/buyback deals, that sort of thing. They are legal, but are done only to not pay taxes and for no other reason.
2) Doing grey legal maneuvers which are judgement calls. If you fight the IRS and lose, you are going to pay back taxes and interest, but probably not penalties.
By cheating, I am referring to overtly illegal maneuvers such as not declaring income.
So you expect the gov to pay for everything for you then? That is the very definitive of mooching.Cheating, no.
I object to the word "evading" as it connotes something unethical.
I do think any rational person is perfectly justified in paying the minimal taxes he can under the tax code. The fact that it is so byzantine and riddled with loopholes, penalties, and favoritism makes the overall system quite corrupt.
It would be better to lower taxes and enact simplification.
Tax evasion is illegal, but I don't consider it unethical. Taxation is theft. I don't advocate that people evade taxes if there's a chance they will be caught, but I do advocate it if they know they can get away with it, and people do it all the time. Working "under the table" is a form of tax evasion, but we all know people who do it. Does anyone who get's paid in cash report all the money to the IRS? You know they don't.
Tax exemptions, deductions and credits come out of other people's pockets, so they most certainly are mooching.Keeping what belongs to you is not "mooching," asshole.It is very wrong. People who cheat on their taxes are the real moochers in this country.By evasion, I am referring to:
1) Doing legal maneuvers which are designed only to not pay taxes, such as setting up trusts, moving to Canada, lease/buyback deals, that sort of thing. They are legal, but are done only to not pay taxes and for no other reason.
2) Doing grey legal maneuvers which are judgement calls. If you fight the IRS and lose, you are going to pay back taxes and interest, but probably not penalties.
By cheating, I am referring to overtly illegal maneuvers such as not declaring income.
They most certainly do come out of others' pockets. They are paid for by higher tax rates.Tax exemptions, deductions and credits come out of other people's pockets, so they most certainly are mooching.Keeping what belongs to you is not "mooching," asshole.It is very wrong. People who cheat on their taxes are the real moochers in this country.By evasion, I am referring to:
1) Doing legal maneuvers which are designed only to not pay taxes, such as setting up trusts, moving to Canada, lease/buyback deals, that sort of thing. They are legal, but are done only to not pay taxes and for no other reason.
2) Doing grey legal maneuvers which are judgement calls. If you fight the IRS and lose, you are going to pay back taxes and interest, but probably not penalties.
By cheating, I am referring to overtly illegal maneuvers such as not declaring income.
Sure, if you believe that all money belongs to the government in the first place. Otherwise no. No they do not come from other peoples pockets.
So you expect the gov to pay for everything for you then? That is the very definitive of mooching.Cheating, no.
I object to the word "evading" as it connotes something unethical.
I do think any rational person is perfectly justified in paying the minimal taxes he can under the tax code. The fact that it is so byzantine and riddled with loopholes, penalties, and favoritism makes the overall system quite corrupt.
It would be better to lower taxes and enact simplification.
Tax evasion is illegal, but I don't consider it unethical. Taxation is theft. I don't advocate that people evade taxes if there's a chance they will be caught, but I do advocate it if they know they can get away with it, and people do it all the time. Working "under the table" is a form of tax evasion, but we all know people who do it. Does anyone who get's paid in cash report all the money to the IRS? You know they don't.
They most certainly do come out of others' pockets. They are paid for by higher tax rates.Tax exemptions, deductions and credits come out of other people's pockets, so they most certainly are mooching.Keeping what belongs to you is not "mooching," asshole.It is very wrong. People who cheat on their taxes are the real moochers in this country.By evasion, I am referring to:
1) Doing legal maneuvers which are designed only to not pay taxes, such as setting up trusts, moving to Canada, lease/buyback deals, that sort of thing. They are legal, but are done only to not pay taxes and for no other reason.
2) Doing grey legal maneuvers which are judgement calls. If you fight the IRS and lose, you are going to pay back taxes and interest, but probably not penalties.
By cheating, I am referring to overtly illegal maneuvers such as not declaring income.
Sure, if you believe that all money belongs to the government in the first place. Otherwise no. No they do not come from other peoples pockets.
Cheating, no.
I object to the word "evading" as it connotes something unethical.
I do think any rational person is perfectly justified in paying the minimal taxes he can under the tax code. The fact that it is so byzantine and riddled with loopholes, penalties, and favoritism makes the overall system quite corrupt.
It would be better to lower taxes and enact simplification.
Tax evasion is illegal, but I don't consider it unethical. Taxation is theft. I don't advocate that people evade taxes if there's a chance they will be caught, but I do advocate it if they know they can get away with it, and people do it all the time. Working "under the table" is a form of tax evasion, but we all know people who do it. Does anyone who get's paid in cash report all the money to the IRS? You know they don't.
You are the one who is not very bright.They most certainly do come out of others' pockets. They are paid for by higher tax rates.Tax exemptions, deductions and credits come out of other people's pockets, so they most certainly are mooching.Keeping what belongs to you is not "mooching," asshole.It is very wrong. People who cheat on their taxes are the real moochers in this country.By evasion, I am referring to:
1) Doing legal maneuvers which are designed only to not pay taxes, such as setting up trusts, moving to Canada, lease/buyback deals, that sort of thing. They are legal, but are done only to not pay taxes and for no other reason.
2) Doing grey legal maneuvers which are judgement calls. If you fight the IRS and lose, you are going to pay back taxes and interest, but probably not penalties.
By cheating, I am referring to overtly illegal maneuvers such as not declaring income.
Sure, if you believe that all money belongs to the government in the first place. Otherwise no. No they do not come from other peoples pockets.
Some of you aren't very bright.
If I am selling widgets for $10 each but offer a 20% discount if you come into my store wearing blue. The guy who comes in wearing blue hasn't paid any more because a customer who wore blue got a 20% discount.
I guess you don't know how your tax dollars are allocatedSo you expect the gov to pay for everything for you then? That is the very definitive of mooching.Cheating, no.
I object to the word "evading" as it connotes something unethical.
I do think any rational person is perfectly justified in paying the minimal taxes he can under the tax code. The fact that it is so byzantine and riddled with loopholes, penalties, and favoritism makes the overall system quite corrupt.
It would be better to lower taxes and enact simplification.
Tax evasion is illegal, but I don't consider it unethical. Taxation is theft. I don't advocate that people evade taxes if there's a chance they will be caught, but I do advocate it if they know they can get away with it, and people do it all the time. Working "under the table" is a form of tax evasion, but we all know people who do it. Does anyone who get's paid in cash report all the money to the IRS? You know they don't.
I don't expect government to pay for anything. You're the one who wants government to pay for your shit. I expect each person to pay for whatever goods or services he consumes. Most of the money I pay in taxes goes to pay the bills of tics on the ass of society. It doesn't come back to me in the form of "services." If I can prevent the government from stealing some small percentage of my income, then I will do it. I couldn't give a crap whether it's legal.
What exactly will pay for our military if not taxes?So you expect the gov to pay for everything for you then? That is the very definitive of mooching.Cheating, no.
I object to the word "evading" as it connotes something unethical.
I do think any rational person is perfectly justified in paying the minimal taxes he can under the tax code. The fact that it is so byzantine and riddled with loopholes, penalties, and favoritism makes the overall system quite corrupt.
It would be better to lower taxes and enact simplification.
Tax evasion is illegal, but I don't consider it unethical. Taxation is theft. I don't advocate that people evade taxes if there's a chance they will be caught, but I do advocate it if they know they can get away with it, and people do it all the time. Working "under the table" is a form of tax evasion, but we all know people who do it. Does anyone who get's paid in cash report all the money to the IRS? You know they don't.
I don't expect government to pay for anything. You're the one who wants government to pay for your shit. I expect each person to pay for whatever goods or services he consumes. Most of the money I pay in taxes goes to pay the bills of tics on the ass of society. It doesn't come back to me in the form of "services." If I can prevent the government from stealing some small percentage of my income, then I will do it. I couldn't give a crap whether it's legal.
If the government offers you money back on your taxes (exemptions, credits, deductions), you would be a fool to leave that money on the table. For most people, as seen right here in this topic, it never occurs to them that money came from someone else's pocket.
If the government offers you a free "Obamaphone", you would be a fool to leave that phone on the table.
This is why it amuses me to see people call those who receive free phones "moochers" when they themselves probably mooch far more money off the government on their tax forms.
So you expect the gov to pay for everything for you then? That is the very definitive of mooching.Cheating, no.
I object to the word "evading" as it connotes something unethical.
I do think any rational person is perfectly justified in paying the minimal taxes he can under the tax code. The fact that it is so byzantine and riddled with loopholes, penalties, and favoritism makes the overall system quite corrupt.
It would be better to lower taxes and enact simplification.
Tax evasion is illegal, but I don't consider it unethical. Taxation is theft. I don't advocate that people evade taxes if there's a chance they will be caught, but I do advocate it if they know they can get away with it, and people do it all the time. Working "under the table" is a form of tax evasion, but we all know people who do it. Does anyone who get's paid in cash report all the money to the IRS? You know they don't.
That's right. They are not money out of the government's pocket. They are money out of other taxpayers' pockets.If the government offers you money back on your taxes (exemptions, credits, deductions), you would be a fool to leave that money on the table. For most people, as seen right here in this topic, it never occurs to them that money came from someone else's pocket.
If the government offers you a free "Obamaphone", you would be a fool to leave that phone on the table.
This is why it amuses me to see people call those who receive free phones "moochers" when they themselves probably mooch far more money off the government on their tax forms.
A completely ridiculous statement, but not surprising coming from you
tax credits cost no one anything. Personally I don't like them, but they are NOT money out of the government's pocket.
Leading members of the House and Senate tax writing committees are examining the possibility of trading a broader tax base for dramatically lower rates. Representative Dave Camp (R-MI), the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, is believed to be seeking enough revenue enhancers to lower the top corporate and individual income tax rates to 25 percent while maintaining revenue neutrality. Senators Max Baucus (D-MT) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT), the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, respectively, have proposed a "blank slate" approach, in which most "tax expenditures"—income tax exclusions, deductions, and credits, and other provisions that the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) classifies as preferences—would be abolished, except for those that could be convincingly defended, with the money dedicated to rate cuts and perhaps deficit reduction.
Tax expenditures have a significant effect on overall tax rates as well as the budget outlook. The revenue the federal government forgoes from tax expenditures reduces the tax base and requires higher tax rates to raise any given amount of revenue. In addition, tax expenditures, like any federal program spending, reduce the amount of funding available for other federal activities, increase the budget deficit, or reduce any budget surplus.
