Is gay marriage the most important issue in the USA?

[Skylar]

I'm not threatening anything. I am stating that you're foolishness is so profound as to believe that you can assault people, abuse and offend people through the color of law, with impunity.

How is a gay person getting married an 'assault' on you? It doesn't affect you in anyway. These are people you don't know nor have ever met. Nor will likely ever met. Yet you're still calling for civil war, you're still threatening violence against gays, threatening their mass murder.

You're not the victim, Keyes. You just want to hurt people.

No thank you.

And IN REALITY... THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED ANYTIME, ANYWHERE IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY.

Again, your personal opinion isn't 'reality'. Its just you citing your subjective beliefs.

Subjective is not objective. You can't get around that.

Meaning that EVERY SINGLE TIME, THROUGHOUT THE SCOPE OF HUMAN HISTORY, THAT YOUR BEHAVIOR HAS COME INTO SOME DEGREE OF SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE... THAT ACCEPTANCE HAS TURNED YOUR INNATE SELF DESTRUCTION TOWARD THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CULTURE AT LARGE. Which has resulted in the destruction of the culture and with it, the destruction of the social acceptance of your behavior.

Dude, almost no cultures that have ever existed still exist. You're claiming it 'caused by gays'. But if a society rejects gays, they almost universally collapse. If they accept gays, they almost universally collapse. Your 'cause' isn't. As regardless of the existence of your 'cause', societies still rise and fall unaffected.

You simply don't understand how causation works. And are merely looking for an awkward justification for hurting gay people.

No thank you. You're unwilling to bleed in your desire to hurt gays. And our citizens protect them from you. You're stuck.

Worse for you, your argument dies with you. For folks under 30, gay marriage is a non-issue, with 8 in 10 supporting it. When you're gone, your anti-gay obsession goes with you.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

That's equal only if you want to marry the opposite sex, and not all people do, which makes their standing unequal if only opposite sex adults can marry.

Not all people want to be limited to the money they deposited IN THE BANK, in terms of what they withdraw FROM THE BANK.

We have laws against that too... and guess what: THAT LAW TREATS EVERYONE EQUALLY.

Despite SOME PEOPLE; a TINY MINORITY... claiming that THAT IS NOT FAIR!

Ya know what 'we' say to those people? Buh BYE! See after the long stretch.

Has anyone read Scalia's dissent on the lifting of the Sodomy Laws?

It reads like prophecy....

Twelve years later, see if you can find some measure of wisdom in these words:
"If moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct is 'no legitimate state interest' for purposes of proscribing that conduct ... what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples exercising '[t]he liberty protected by the Constitution?'"

The Lifting of the sodomy laws was so foolish that it stands today as the point when the United States finally succumbed to the cancer that is Foreign Ideas Hostile to American Principle.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Ya know what 'we' say to those people? Buh BYE! See after the long stretch.

What you want is Mob Rule, a true democracy, which is not our system of government mainly because the Founders were well aware of people like you and wanted them to have nothing to do with the decisions of educated and reasonable men who were needed to form, protect, and run the government.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I'm not threatening anything. I am stating that you're foolishness is so profound as to believe that you can assault people, abuse and offend people through the color of law, with impunity.

How is a gay person getting married an 'assault' on you? It doesn't affect you in anyway. These are people you don't know nor have ever met. Nor will likely ever met. Yet you're still calling for civil war, you're still threatening violence against gays, threatening their mass murder.

You're not the victim, Keyes. You just want to hurt people.

No thank you.

And IN REALITY... THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED ANYTIME, ANYWHERE IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY.

Again, your personal opinion isn't 'reality'. Its just you citing your subjective beliefs.

Subjective is not objective. You can't get around that.

Meaning that EVERY SINGLE TIME, THROUGHOUT THE SCOPE OF HUMAN HISTORY, THAT YOUR BEHAVIOR HAS COME INTO SOME DEGREE OF SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE... THAT ACCEPTANCE HAS TURNED YOUR INNATE SELF DESTRUCTION TOWARD THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CULTURE AT LARGE. Which has resulted in the destruction of the culture and with it, the destruction of the social acceptance of your behavior.

Dude, almost no cultures that have ever existed still exist. You're claiming it 'caused by gays'. But if a society rejects gays, they almost universally collapse. If they accept gays, they almost universally collapse. Your 'cause' isn't. As regardless of the existence of your 'cause', societies still rise and fall unaffected.

You simply don't understand how causation works. And are merely looking for an awkward justification for hurting gay people.

No thank you. You're unwilling to bleed in your desire to hurt gays. And our citizens protect them from you. You're stuck.

Worse for you, your argument dies with you. For folks under 30, gay marriage is a non-issue, with 8 in 10 supporting it. When you're gone, your anti-gay obsession goes with you.

Not my words, please fix that...

 

[Skylar]

That's equal only if you want to marry the opposite sex, and not all people do, which makes their standing unequal if only opposite sex adults can marry.

Not all people want to be limited to the money they deposited IN THE BANK, in terms of what they withdraw FROM THE BANK.

We have laws against that too... and guess what: THAT LAW TREATS EVERYONE EQUALLY.

Despite SOME PEOPLE; a TINY MINORITY... claiming that THAT IS NOT FAIR!

Ya know what 'we' say to those people? Buh BYE! See after the long stretch.

Has anyone read Scalia's dissent on the lifting of the Sodomy Laws?

It reads like prophecy....

Twelve years later, see if you can find some measure of wisdom in these words:
"If moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct is 'no legitimate state interest' for purposes of proscribing that conduct ... what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples exercising '[t]he liberty protected by the Constitution?'"

The Lifting of the sodomy laws was so foolish that it stands today as the point when the United States finally succumbed to the cancer that is Foreign Ideas Hostile to American Principle.

Scalia recognizes a simple point: there's simply no rational reason to deny gays marriage without 'moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct'. And that disapprobation couldn't hold up to rational scrutiny.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Twelve years later, see if you can find some measure of wisdom in these words:
"If moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct is 'no legitimate state interest' for purposes of proscribing that conduct ... what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples exercising '[t]he liberty protected by the Constitution?'"

The Lifting of the sodomy laws was so foolish that it stands today as the point when the United States finally succumbed to the cancer that is Foreign Ideas Hostile to American Principle.

He's correct, there is no reason to deny them. At least, the courts sure can't find one.

 

[Skylar]

I'm not threatening anything. I am stating that you're foolishness is so profound as to believe that you can assault people, abuse and offend people through the color of law, with impunity.

How is a gay person getting married an 'assault' on you? It doesn't affect you in anyway. These are people you don't know nor have ever met. Nor will likely ever met. Yet you're still calling for civil war, you're still threatening violence against gays, threatening their mass murder.

You're not the victim, Keyes. You just want to hurt people.

No thank you.

And IN REALITY... THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED ANYTIME, ANYWHERE IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY.

Again, your personal opinion isn't 'reality'. Its just you citing your subjective beliefs.

Subjective is not objective. You can't get around that.

Meaning that EVERY SINGLE TIME, THROUGHOUT THE SCOPE OF HUMAN HISTORY, THAT YOUR BEHAVIOR HAS COME INTO SOME DEGREE OF SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE... THAT ACCEPTANCE HAS TURNED YOUR INNATE SELF DESTRUCTION TOWARD THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CULTURE AT LARGE. Which has resulted in the destruction of the culture and with it, the destruction of the social acceptance of your behavior.

Dude, almost no cultures that have ever existed still exist. You're claiming it 'caused by gays'. But if a society rejects gays, they almost universally collapse. If they accept gays, they almost universally collapse. Your 'cause' isn't. As regardless of the existence of your 'cause', societies still rise and fall unaffected.

You simply don't understand how causation works. And are merely looking for an awkward justification for hurting gay people.

No thank you. You're unwilling to bleed in your desire to hurt gays. And our citizens protect them from you. You're stuck.

Worse for you, your argument dies with you. For folks under 30, gay marriage is a non-issue, with 8 in 10 supporting it. When you're gone, your anti-gay obsession goes with you.

Not my words, please fix that...

Fixed. Sorry about that. I wouldn't want those words attributed to anyone but the head job that spewed them.

 

[kaz]

Half agree, they should "just get rid of every benefit for everyone from being married" period

Not gonna happen. Marriage is something most adults should, and will, take part in. It's hard to really grow up if you don't. We want people to marry, it's good for society.

So are you not married or did it just not do the job?

BTW, your argument is fundamentally flawed in that you equate marriage and government marriage, they have nothing in common

Married means only one thing here, that you have a valid license from the state, or a common law marriage recognized by the state. There is no other form that matters. If the state does not recognize it, it's not marriage.

And, I've been married since dirt was new.

LOL, nothing leftists do is anything unless government blesses it. Funny but sad

 

[kaz]

LOL, you are not a bright guy. The bus laws were based on the color of your skin. The law wasn't changed based on that blacks wanted something different, that isn't an answer to the question. The law didn't changed based on what they wanted, it changed based on the color of their skin.

What law does change based on you want something different than someone else? Only gay marriage, and only because the courts changed it based on they wanted something different. Your turn, name a law that changes based on what you want

Race was only the criteria. The basis of the laws, and why they were bounced, was because of unequal treatment. It does not matter why one is unequal to the courts, only that one is and if no compelling government reason can be found then the law gets tossed. That is why you have lost on this issue, there's no valid reason for said laws.

Exactly, and with gays there is no unequal treatment, they can marry exactly the same people and do the exact same things, no right is different than for straights. They just want something different, a job for the legislature to address

Your argument has died, in the courts, time and again. That dog doesn't hunt so why are you still trying to force it to?

Interesting, so you admit the courts tell you what you think? Sad, but at least honest. I don't fall into that ridiculous paradigm, so your point is lost on me. Get it now? See how that works?

The courts don't tell me what to think but I follow their rulings, all adults do unless they have a profound reason not to and are willing to go against the laws of the nation, and suffer the consequences for their civil or criminal disobedience.

So you can have an opinion that differs from the courts, but I can't? Why is that?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Fixed. Sorry about that. I wouldn't want those words attributed to anyone but the head job that spewed them.

TY...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Race was only the criteria. The basis of the laws, and why they were bounced, was because of unequal treatment. It does not matter why one is unequal to the courts, only that one is and if no compelling government reason can be found then the law gets tossed. That is why you have lost on this issue, there's no valid reason for said laws.

Exactly, and with gays there is no unequal treatment, they can marry exactly the same people and do the exact same things, no right is different than for straights. They just want something different, a job for the legislature to address

Your argument has died, in the courts, time and again. That dog doesn't hunt so why are you still trying to force it to?

Interesting, so you admit the courts tell you what you think? Sad, but at least honest. I don't fall into that ridiculous paradigm, so your point is lost on me. Get it now? See how that works?

The courts don't tell me what to think but I follow their rulings, all adults do unless they have a profound reason not to and are willing to go against the laws of the nation, and suffer the consequences for their civil or criminal disobedience.

So you can have an opinion that differs from the courts, but I can't? Why is that?

Your opinion is fine, just stop stating what is obviously untrue as true. The reality is, the majority and the courts think your opinion belongs in the past.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Half agree, they should "just get rid of every benefit for everyone from being married" period

Not gonna happen. Marriage is something most adults should, and will, take part in. It's hard to really grow up if you don't. We want people to marry, it's good for society.

So are you not married or did it just not do the job?

BTW, your argument is fundamentally flawed in that you equate marriage and government marriage, they have nothing in common

Married means only one thing here, that you have a valid license from the state, or a common law marriage recognized by the state. There is no other form that matters. If the state does not recognize it, it's not marriage.

And, I've been married since dirt was new.

LOL, nothing leftists do is anything unless government blesses it. Funny but sad

You have a childish view of government. I do what the law requires. The law does not require me to be here, or even bless me being here, to argue with mental or literal children. That I do on my own.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

SUPERMAN1929 SAID:

“It's a made up right. It's not even marriage and we need to get rid of every benefit received for being married after it has been turned into a joke.”

This is unsurprisingly ignorant and wrong.

The rights of due process and equal protection of the laws are in no way 'made up' rights, these rights are inalienable and fundamental to a free people and free society:

“...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” US Constitution, 14th Amendment

Denying same-sex couples access to marriage law they're eligible to participate in simply because of who they are violates their right to liberty, their right to due process, and their right to equal protection of (equal access to) the laws, in this case marriage law, because measures seeking to prohibit same-sex couples from marrying lack a rational basis and pursue no proper legislative end – they exist solely to disadvantage gay Americans.

That you hate gay Americans is not 'justification' to deny them their civil rights.

What the above idiot is doing, is taking laws designed to prevent injustices against people of a given genetic minority, and asserting it upon BEHAVIOR.

Which is of course about as SUBJECTIVE as it can get.

People can't control their genetics... there is no genetic component to sexual deviancy. Sexual deviancy comes PURELY as a consequence of mental disorder, wherein a deviant thought is nourished into an obsession.

Once we are forced to accept bad behavior... civilization is GONE!

And I realize that people do not like to face this, but the natural fact is that WHEN PEOPLE CAN NO LONGER FIND OBJECTIVE JUSTICE IN THE SYSTEM, THEY SEEK THEIR OWN SUBJECTIVE JUSTICE... at that point, history has shown that nature induces WAR.

Read the book... of the only study of its kind: The Population Bomb. It's demonstrates, the nature of nature and it's all in their.

As population becomes stressed, certain elements of the culture come to a profound sense of entitlement.

We call that sense of entitlement: Liberalism, Progressivism, Socialism... what have you.

At some point after that becomes evident, there comes a profound increase in the assertive nature of homosexuality.

Once that comes, it is certain that the culture is in the final stages, wherein at some unannounced point, a fight begins which erupts into a free-for-all, barn burner of a collective fight, which we call "WAR".

There is triggered in each individual a sense of unbridled retribution... in which during minor lulls, the homosexuals are devoured, then the socialists... in a fit of cannibalism, which was until that moment, unheard of in the culture.

At some point, the population is free of those eliciting the entitlement and homosexual mentality and as quickly as it came, the fighting stops and the population returns to normal.

We... Western Civilization, are on the precipice.

We have Islam and the Left in full throated Entitlement Mode... and the homosexuals are OFF THE CHAIN.

It is truly, only a matter of time.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Your opinion is fine, just stop stating what is obviously untrue as true. The reality is, the majority and the courts think your opinion belongs in the past.

What evidence do you have of this "Majority"?

And please... BE SPECIFIC.

(Reader, the key here is its statement: "...stop stating what is obviously untrue as true." That will come home again and it will not like it when it does. Because it is FALSE. And THAT is why it will IGNORE the challenge or pay the price for not having done so. And LOL! Yes... it's going to lose, again. That is a fact at this moment, and will not change with time.)

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It is truly, only a matter of time.

It is truly only a matter of time until you are under supervised care, if not already.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You have a childish view of government. I do what the law requires.

YOU... are a LIAR.

You were a practicing homosexual prior to 2003... where sodomy was illegal. You were not doing what the law required THEN. You simply choose to claim such now, that the law is within your favor.

(Reader, what you're witnessing above is the personification of RELATIVISM.)

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Your opinion is fine, just stop stating what is obviously untrue as true. The reality is, the majority and the courts think your opinion belongs in the past.

What evidence do you have of this "Majority"?

And please... BE SPECIFIC.

(Reader, the key here is its statement: "...stop stating what is obviously untrue as true." That will come home again and it will not like it when it does. Because it is FALSE. And THAT is why it will IGNORE the challenge or pay the price for not having done so. And LOL! Yes... it's going to lose, again. That is a fact at this moment, and will not change with time.)

Trends do matter, and are not good for you in this case.

 

[Skylar]

What the above idiot is doing, is taking laws designed to prevent injustices against people of a given genetic minority, and asserting it upon BEHAVIOR.

Which is of course about as SUBJECTIVE as it can get.

Says you. Meanwhile, between Romer v. Evans and Windsor v. US the Supreme Court has cited race based discrimination cases 4 times when describing why discrimination against gays was invalid.

You disagree, citing your subjective opinion. Your personal opinion is objectively irrelevant to the law or 4 Supreme Court citations that explicitly contradict you.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

Once we are forced to accept bad behavior... civilization is GONE!

Civilization is going to be fine. But your flavor of bigotry dies with you. As the younger generation has no fucks to give on the topic.

And I realize that people do not like to face this, but the natural fact is that WHEN PEOPLE CAN NO LONGER FIND OBJECTIVE JUSTICE IN THE SYSTEM, THEY SEEK THEIR OWN SUBJECTIVE JUSTICE... at that point, history has shown that nature induces WAR.

They'll be no war on the matter of gay marriage. As people like yourself have to be willing to bleed. And you and your ilk aren't. You're only willing to hurt people if they can't defend themselves, if they're helpless and unprepared. If there's no consequence to you.

And that's not how wars are fought. Wars require people that are willing to sacrifice their lives to defeat the enemy.

Among Millenials, 8 in 10 already approve of gay marriage. Millenials aren't going to kill anyone or sacrifice their lives because YOU don't like gay people. Especially when even you aren't willing to bleed for your own cause.

Your chickenshit nature protects you from society. And it protects society from you.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You have a childish view of government. I do what the law requires.

YOU... are a LIAR.

You were a practicing homosexual prior to 2003... where sodomy was illegal. You were not doing what the law required THEN. You simply choose to claim such now, that the law is within your favor.

(Reader, what you're witnessing above is the personification of RELATIVISM.)

I'm not gay little friend, not that it matters, and I've been enjoying heterosexual sodomy most of life, that's how I first started having sex, decades ago.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

It is truly only a matter of time until you are under supervised care, if not already.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

(Reader, did you see how it wanted to appear to engage the argument, but it did so by avoiding the argument. In point of fact, the Study I cited in the argument it deleted, is reality... it was a formal trial, using stringent scientific methods, which sought to observe the effects of populations under increasing stress... it was repeated several times with precisely the same outcome.

What's more, is that at the time, the study was HERALDED FAR AND WIDE by The Ideological Left... until some time in the late 70s, when someone realized that the 'incidents of thievery', were analogous to a 'sense of entitlement' thus equated to liberalism/socialism. At which time all references to the book vanished in what seemed like INSTANTLY.

Yet, it is still available... with several copies resting comfortably on my own shelves and those of my children... and more importantly, the laws of nature that it observed remain in full force and effect.

And just LOOK at how they NEED to deny those laws... and this from a weasel who JUST professed to being a ardent adherent TO: THE LAW.

ROFLMNAO! Now HOW cool is THAT?)